Taggers - What should we do about them?

[dbk]

just up the penalty and it'll stop

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Shot of lead to the forehead.

Wouldnt that just make 'em insane in the membrane?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Atheus
I would happily wear that t-shirt just to piss people off.

my brothers band in high school made up 15 shirts that read "i club baby seals". those went over very well.

i love the artistic graffiti, but the taggers should be put to community service. no need to relive pacman scenes from colors.

 

[Rubycon]

I thought this was going to be about striped cats (aka tigers) when this was read aloud. :laugh:

Ultrasonic sensors programmed to hear the release of spray paint. These would turn on the defense weapon of your choice. If there is a sidewalk you could install claymore type devices shooting nails made of sodium that would penetrate the scofflaw's scrotum and penis and explode shortly thereafter.

Sprinkler heads could be installed above to disperse an agent that is offensive to downright lethal depending on the frequency of your problems. Glacial acetic acid is quite dangerous to humans but effectively neutralized with a post rinse cycle of sodium bicarbonate solution.

Once you have good defense your walls will stay clean.

 

[judasmachine]

leave them alone. /shrug/

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm pretty sure the terror they experience as I came busting out of my house with a shotgun would weed out the wanna-be's.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QueBert

that's your opinion though, you might not think it's art, but it is. Who are you to define what's art and what's not? I could understand not appreciating it because it's illegal, but to say it's not art is retarded. A great example would be all the LEGAL graffiti cities pay taggers to do. LA has dozens of murals city officials had taggers do to make the city a more beautiful place. So you're telling me just because they were giving permission it all of a sudden becomes art? And the problem here is when you see a mural you don't know if it was done illegally or commissioned, but you write it off as crap either way.

If it wasn't art, cities wouldn't pay them to create artwork for people to see right? You do not define what is and isn't art, so please don't try

Well pop culture <> real art so let's not kid ourselves....

That said for every LEGAL tagger that is good, there are 1000's of ILLEGAL ones that are just fucking up a nice wall and promoting other losers to congregate around it. This is the double-edged sword.

Binky armed with his arsenal of Krylon goes and tags a nice park wall...he does a good job...gratz. Now every other asshat tagger takes note and now has to one-up him. Those that try to one-up them now get met with violence. Tagging doesn't pay much and a normal 9-5 doesn't fit in with the lifestyle, so not Binky is out slinging dimebags at that same park so he can make a buck and protect his art.

Most 'taggers' that are hired are hired to clean up a clusterfuck of graffiti they were probably part of.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Depends on where it is and what it is. Dudes who do Chicken scratch shit should spend 5 years in prison. But the ones who have pieces that take them days to finish and are works of art, as long as they're not on the side of somebodies house/wall and improve the area I think the cities should make exceptions and allow those types places where they can create their artwork legally. Some of the best art I've ever seen was in tunnels and Aqueducts out in LA, it's a shame there's no outlet for these kids. The talented ones could be used to make an ugly city beautiful, I know in Riverside they comissioned some of the better graf artists to do some legal pieces and they're all amazing.

No matter what the police or other agencies do they won't ever stop kids from doing graf, working with them just seems logical to me. in Seattle they have a park set aside for the graf dudes where it was legal to tag all they wanted. Not sure if it's still there. But I know the news story I saw on it the place was a success, locals were trying to get it shut down as they claimed it encouraged tagging. But it kept a lot of kids off the streets and from bombing on public property.


Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
facebook taggers are worse.

Guess you never had retarded gangbang wannabes tagging your house, then have the city fine you $$$ for not cleaning up the mess. Facebook taggers... go write a fucking script to block that shit.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Gitmo.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QueBert

that's your opinion though, you might not think it's art, but it is. Who are you to define what's art and what's not? I could understand not appreciating it because it's illegal, but to say it's not art is retarded. A great example would be all the LEGAL graffiti cities pay taggers to do. LA has dozens of murals city officials had taggers do to make the city a more beautiful place. So you're telling me just because they were giving permission it all of a sudden becomes art? And the problem here is when you see a mural you don't know if it was done illegally or commissioned, but you write it off as crap either way.

If it wasn't art, cities wouldn't pay them to create artwork for people to see right? You do not define what is and isn't art, so please don't try

Well pop culture <> real art so let's not kid ourselves....

To be fair, a lot of graffiti art is a LOT better than most modern art. Regardless of which one is "pop culture."

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Atheus
I would happily wear that t-shirt just to piss people off.

my brothers band in high school made up 15 shirts that read "i club baby seals". those went over very well.

i love the artistic graffiti, but the taggers should be put to community service. no need to relive pacman scenes from colors.

I found this one to be hilarious.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: jagec

To be fair, a lot of graffiti art is a LOT better than most modern art. Regardless of which one is "pop culture."

didn't know you studied art. What aspects of graffiti are better though? And what a types of most modern art?

Being that the graffiti above is endorsed by the Universal Auto Group, it's a MURAL.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: jagec

To be fair, a lot of graffiti art is a LOT better than most modern art. Regardless of which one is "pop culture."

didn't know you studied art. What aspects of graffiti are better though? And what a types of most modern art?

Being that the graffiti above is endorsed by the Universal Auto Group, it's a MURAL.

mural or not it's still graffiti, some is legal some is illegal but it's all ultimately the same, pictures painted on walls with spray paint. And jagec makes a decent point, not so much that it's better (just his opinion) but that art is a subjective thing.

time lasped video of dude piecing. - that is definitely art, there's no 2 ways about it. Now weather you like or appreciate it depends on your tastes in art.

 

[EGGO]

http://www.puregraffiti.com/gr...photo.php/photo/162255 Well I laughed when I drove by this in Newark.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Cut their hands off.

 

[TallBill]

Anyone that defaces or steals someone else's property = recoup of equal amount of property loss/damage.

Or start cutting hands off.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: jagec

To be fair, a lot of graffiti art is a LOT better than most modern art. Regardless of which one is "pop culture."

didn't know you studied art. What aspects of graffiti are better though? And what a types of most modern art?

Being that the graffiti above is endorsed by the Universal Auto Group, it's a MURAL.

mural or not it's still graffiti, some is legal some is illegal but it's all ultimately the same, pictures painted on walls with spray paint. And jagec makes a decent point, not so much that it's better (just his opinion) but that art is a subjective thing.

time lasped video of dude piecing. - that is definitely art, there's no 2 ways about it. Now weather you like or appreciate it depends on your tastes in art.

Would you be upset if someone defaced your property with their 'art' ?

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: joesmoke
use them as scapegoats for governmental budget shortfalls.

Is there a way we can blame them for the sub-prime mortgage crisis or the death of the American auto industry? If so, I'll wanna kick their asses as well

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: jagec

To be fair, a lot of graffiti art is a LOT better than most modern art. Regardless of which one is "pop culture."

didn't know you studied art. What aspects of graffiti are better though? And what a types of most modern art?

Being that the graffiti above is endorsed by the Universal Auto Group, it's a MURAL.

mural or not it's still graffiti, some is legal some is illegal but it's all ultimately the same, pictures painted on walls with spray paint. And jagec makes a decent point, not so much that it's better (just his opinion) but that art is a subjective thing.

time lasped video of dude piecing. - that is definitely art, there's no 2 ways about it. Now weather you like or appreciate it depends on your tastes in art.

Would you be upset if someone defaced your property with their 'art' ?

Depends, if it looked like the one I linked to hell no, I'd thank them as a lot of so called "artists" would charge me probably a thousand+ dollars to create something like that. I live in the ghetto and anything to make the surroundings look better is appreciated by me. If a guy wants to spend days working on a single piece and it comes out as good as the one in that video that dude should be given an award for improving the city.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I did see something on the news months ago about certain places setting up cameras and catching taggers, I wonder how they are doing.

I hadnt heard of this, but Ill bet the cameras probably get tagged as well.

They had them up high on telephone poles or something, wouldn't surprise me if they try and get to them though. Oh found a linky.


Die tagger assholes.

LOL:

The system, produced by Pasadena-based Axium Technologies Inc., includes a sensor that company and police officials said reacts to the sound emitted from an aerosol can up to 80 feet away.

T-minus 30 and counting until all Montebello taggers are using alternate paint applicators.

FFS - a million bucks on something that easily circumventable?

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I reposted it on bbzzdd for you. Cheers.

now that's classy.

:laugh:

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: spidey07
First offense - 40 hours community service and a few hundred buck fine
Second offense - 100 hours community service, 1000 buck fine 30 day suspended jail sentence
Third offense - 200 hours community service, plus you serve the 30 day sentence that was suspended, 11 month suspended sentence (I don't think it should be a felony)
4th - 11 months jail, big fine and a "If you do it again you're getting royally reamed"

I don't really have an issue with the idea here, but that last thing we need is an excuse to throw more people in crowded prisons.

I think instead of doing jail time they should be on house arrest and on top of fines, they should be financially responsible for having all graffiti professionally removed (not just painted over) that they are responsible for... and considering some people use the same name or tag over and over, it's not hard to link people to other tags around town and clean up other spots.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: spidey07
First offense - 40 hours community service and a few hundred buck fine
Second offense - 100 hours community service, 1000 buck fine 30 day suspended jail sentence
Third offense - 200 hours community service, plus you serve the 30 day sentence that was suspended, 11 month suspended sentence (I don't think it should be a felony)
4th - 11 months jail, big fine and a "If you do it again you're getting royally reamed"

I don't really have an issue with the idea here, but that last thing we need is an excuse to throw more people in crowded prisons.

I think instead of doing jail time they should be on house arrest and on top of fines, they should be financially responsible for having all graffiti professionally removed (not just painted over) that they are responsible for... and considering some people use the same name or tag over and over, it's not hard to link people to other tags around town and clean up other spots.

I don't think that would do much to stop people from tagging. It would obviously do a lot towards getting it removed. But what most people want is it to stop completely. I know graf artists who work 2 jobs to support their tagging. Imagine how much 100 cans a week costs and multiple that times 52 weeks. I know dudes who probably drop $600 a week on supplies. That person isn't going to care about paying to get it cleaned up if they got caught as they're already spending maybe $15k even up to 30k+ a year to write.

And yes I know a lot who drop that kind of cash, it's not all that uncommon.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: spidey07
First offense - 40 hours community service and a few hundred buck fine
Second offense - 100 hours community service, 1000 buck fine 30 day suspended jail sentence
Third offense - 200 hours community service, plus you serve the 30 day sentence that was suspended, 11 month suspended sentence (I don't think it should be a felony)
4th - 11 months jail, big fine and a "If you do it again you're getting royally reamed"

I don't really have an issue with the idea here, but that last thing we need is an excuse to throw more people in crowded prisons.

I think instead of doing jail time they should be on house arrest and on top of fines, they should be financially responsible for having all graffiti professionally removed (not just painted over) that they are responsible for... and considering some people use the same name or tag over and over, it's not hard to link people to other tags around town and clean up other spots.

I don't think that would do much to stop people from tagging. It would obviously do a lot towards getting it removed. But what most people want is it to stop completely. I know graf artists who work 2 jobs to support their tagging. Imagine how much 100 cans a week costs and multiple that times 52 weeks. I know dudes who probably drop $600 a week on supplies. That person isn't going to care about paying to get it cleaned up if they got caught as they're already spending maybe $15k even up to 30k+ a year to write.

And yes I know a lot who drop that kind of cash, it's not all that uncommon.

Shens.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: spidey07
First offense - 40 hours community service and a few hundred buck fine
Second offense - 100 hours community service, 1000 buck fine 30 day suspended jail sentence
Third offense - 200 hours community service, plus you serve the 30 day sentence that was suspended, 11 month suspended sentence (I don't think it should be a felony)
4th - 11 months jail, big fine and a "If you do it again you're getting royally reamed"

I don't really have an issue with the idea here, but that last thing we need is an excuse to throw more people in crowded prisons.

I think instead of doing jail time they should be on house arrest and on top of fines, they should be financially responsible for having all graffiti professionally removed (not just painted over) that they are responsible for... and considering some people use the same name or tag over and over, it's not hard to link people to other tags around town and clean up other spots.

I don't think that would do much to stop people from tagging. It would obviously do a lot towards getting it removed. But what most people want is it to stop completely. I know graf artists who work 2 jobs to support their tagging. Imagine how much 100 cans a week costs and multiple that times 52 weeks. I know dudes who probably drop $600 a week on supplies. That person isn't going to care about paying to get it cleaned up if they got caught as they're already spending maybe $15k even up to 30k+ a year to write.

And yes I know a lot who drop that kind of cash, it's not all that uncommon.

Shens.

shens? Do you know how much a can of Krylon costs? You could safely estimate an average mural uses at least 10 cans. And a lot of graf writers go bombing 3-4 times a week. Some every night. I know writers who have a full time job just to support their passion. I have been to peoples homes who buy Krylon by the pallet.

By not that uncommon I'm not implying it's typical for the average dude. But there are still a lot who are on this level.