Taggers - What should we do about them?

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I did see something on the news months ago about certain places setting up cameras and catching taggers, I wonder how they are doing.

I hadnt heard of this, but Ill bet the cameras probably get tagged as well.

 

[ObiDon]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

i don't think this really falls into the category of tagging. it doesn't say "xiii st" or "lil creeper" or any of that stupid turf-claiming gang crap.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I did see something on the news months ago about certain places setting up cameras and catching taggers, I wonder how they are doing.

I hadnt heard of this, but Ill bet the cameras probably get tagged as well.

They had them up high on telephone poles or something, wouldn't surprise me if they try and get to them though. Oh found a linky.


Die tagger assholes.

 

[Locut0s]

People say they are for harsh punishments for tagging but few would want to live in the societies that actually practice such laws. Having freedom of speech and expression means in part having laxer laws in some areas of society. Countries that do crack down on such crimes with an iron fist do so for more than just tagging and quickly start to feel fascist and or totalitarian. See China, Singapore, The Middle East etc... Many of which have imaculately clean streets (not a tag in sight) but living in fear is too high a price to pay for such comforts.

Which is not to say tagging should be allowed to run rampant, it shouldn't. Just that those who call for the harshest of punishments don't know what they are asking for.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: ObiDon

Originally posted by: QueBert
Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

i don't think this really falls into the category of tagging. it doesn't say "xiii st" or "lil creeper" or any of that stupid turf-claiming gang crap.

your view on tagging mimics many peoples view on rap music. Not all rap music is bitch this, hoe that. I could take you to dozens of spots in LA that has graffiti that looks exactly like what I posted. Sure there is a lot of the gang shit, but there is tons of actual art work too.

I could select threads here and there on here and make ATOT look like it's all sexist, racist asshats. But the truth if you have to look deeper to see what's really out there.

A lot of graffiti has a message, I have seen pieces talking about saving the enviorment, about how Bush is a POS, about saving the rain forest. It kills me the pieces up the street from me are okay because the city asked the taggers to do them. But when the same taggers do the same pieces without permission, that same art is instantly "crap" and they should all be shot and hung. Irony at it's finest.

 

[manowar821]

I consider graffiti to be an art-form, but tagging is pretty fucking lame.

 

[ObiDon]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: ObiDon

Originally posted by: QueBert
Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

i don't think this really falls into the category of tagging. it doesn't say "xiii st" or "lil creeper" or any of that stupid turf-claiming gang crap.

your view on tagging mimics many peoples view on rap music. Not all rap music is bitch this, hoe that. I could take you to dozens of spots in LA that has graffiti that looks exactly like what I posted. Sure there is a lot of the gang shit, but there is tons of actual art work too.

I could select threads here and there on here and make ATOT look like it's all sexist, racist asshats. But the truth if you have to look deeper to see what's really out there.

A lot of graffiti has a message, I have seen pieces talking about saving the enviorment, about how Bush is a POS, about saving the rain forest. It kills me the pieces up the street from me are okay because the city asked the taggers to do them. But when the same taggers do the same pieces without permission, that same art is instantly "crap" and they should all be shot and hung. Irony at it's finest.

wait... are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? tagging and graffiti are entirely different things. the poll was about tagging.
your linked example is a far cry from somebody's magic-marker job on a bathroom mirror

 

[QueBert]

tagging to me is spray paint on the wall. Weather it be a complex piece that takes 5 dudes a week to finish or some retard with a Magnum marker tossing up some chicken scratch. Tagging in the chicken scratch form I hate more than people who hate tagging because it turns people off to the ones who have legit talent. I agree with you about the ugly marker shit, it should result in prison time. Not jail time, I want them to get Cornholed for a few months so they can learn a lesson.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: QueBert
tagging to me is spray paint on the wall. Weather it be a complex piece that takes 5 dudes a week to finish or some retard with a Magnum marker tossing up some chicken scratch. Tagging in the chicken scratch form I hate more than people who hate tagging because it turns people off to the ones who have legit talent. I agree with you about the ugly marker shit, it should result in prison time. Not jail time, I want them to get Cornholed for a few months so they can learn a lesson.

Ive lived in the same part of town for decades and have seen its rise and fall several times. Every few years the tagging gets out of control, but the gang crap is so out of hand now that its unbearable. No neighborhood is spared. They scribble on everything - cars, stop signs, homes.

At one gas station I went to they marked up the gas pump with some kind of crayon. So I whipped out some cleaner and sprayed it on a towel and cleaned it up. About a week later it was back. Pisses me off.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: QueBert
tagging to me is spray paint on the wall. Weather it be a complex piece that takes 5 dudes a week to finish or some retard with a Magnum marker tossing up some chicken scratch. Tagging in the chicken scratch form I hate more than people who hate tagging because it turns people off to the ones who have legit talent. I agree with you about the ugly marker shit, it should result in prison time. Not jail time, I want them to get Cornholed for a few months so they can learn a lesson.

They drew on property not their own, so they should get raped in prison? What kind of fucked up brutal fascist life do you live, huh? Absolutely pathetic. So are some of the other posters here, too. It amazes me, really amazes me, how absolutely insane some of you are.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Lets start a nation wide campaign to follow home taggers then spray paint shit on their homes, lets see how those fuckers like it.

 

[KeithP]

Trying to separate "acceptable" art vs "unwanted" tagging will never work. There will always be a gray area that people will squabble over. The test is simple, if you paint/draw/whatever on property that is not your own and that you don't have permission to do so, you are guilty of vandalism.

As far as punishment goes... First, if the vandal is under 18, the parents should be financially responsible for correcting the damage. Give the kid a couple hundred hours of community service. If the person is over 18, then they become financially responsible. I would also make them ineligible to receive any type of public assistance (welfare, unemployment, etc) for a period of 1 year. If they aren't on public assistance now, I would set it up so it the 1 year ban wouldn't take effect until they qualify for it and need it.

Of course this assumes it was a first offense. If not, crank up those numbers by 100% or so and ad some punitive fines.

-KeithP

 

[alkemyst]

go after gangs.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: QueBert
tagging to me is spray paint on the wall. Weather it be a complex piece that takes 5 dudes a week to finish or some retard with a Magnum marker tossing up some chicken scratch. Tagging in the chicken scratch form I hate more than people who hate tagging because it turns people off to the ones who have legit talent. I agree with you about the ugly marker shit, it should result in prison time. Not jail time, I want them to get Cornholed for a few months so they can learn a lesson.

They drew on property not their own, so they should get raped in prison? What kind of fucked up brutal fascist life do you live, huh? Absolutely pathetic. So are some of the other posters here, too. It amazes me, really amazes me, how absolutely insane some of you are.

I love graffiti, but the idiots who spend 15 seconds writing their name and consider it art needs to be anally violated. I am as pro graffiti as you can get as long as they put their heart into it. These fuckers give the culture I love a bad rep and make people hate graffiti across the board because it's the shit the average joe sees the most. So in tern it's what people will associated with graffiti.

If they get pounded in the ass good in Prison for awhile 1 of 2 things will happen

1. they'll stop tagging and making all tagger look like talentless assclowns = WIN! or
2. they'll learn how to draw and create works of art. = WIN!

 

[Baked]

Public execution.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I did see something on the news months ago about certain places setting up cameras and catching taggers, I wonder how they are doing.

I hadnt heard of this, but Ill bet the cameras probably get tagged as well.

They had them up high on telephone poles or something, wouldn't surprise me if they try and get to them though. Oh found a linky.


Die tagger assholes.

I want to go stand in front of a camera and spray Lysol on garbage cans and shit. It makes the same noise as a spray paint can.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: QueBert
tagging to me is spray paint on the wall. Weather it be a complex piece that takes 5 dudes a week to finish or some retard with a Magnum marker tossing up some chicken scratch. Tagging in the chicken scratch form I hate more than people who hate tagging because it turns people off to the ones who have legit talent. I agree with you about the ugly marker shit, it should result in prison time. Not jail time, I want them to get Cornholed for a few months so they can learn a lesson.

They drew on property not their own, so they should get raped in prison? What kind of fucked up brutal fascist life do you live, huh? Absolutely pathetic. So are some of the other posters here, too. It amazes me, really amazes me, how absolutely insane some of you are.

I love graffiti, but the idiots who spend 15 seconds writing their name and consider it art needs to be anally violated. I am as pro graffiti as you can get as long as they put their heart into it. These fuckers give the culture I love a bad rep and make people hate graffiti across the board because it's the shit the average joe sees the most. So in tern it's what people will associated with graffiti.

If they get pounded in the ass good in Prison for awhile 1 of 2 things will happen

1. they'll stop tagging and making all tagger look like talentless assclowns = WIN! or
2. they'll learn how to draw and create works of art. = WIN!

hate to break it to you tagger....it's still the same problem. The rest of us don't give a shit you spend two hours in the cold in your kango pouring your soul into : "xBaLLeRx' on an overpass. It's not art anymore than going into a 7-11 with a kabar fighting knife is surgery.

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Depends on where it is and what it is. Dudes who do Chicken scratch shit should spend 5 years in prison. But the ones who have pieces that take them days to finish and are works of art, as long as they're not on the side of somebodies house/wall and improve the area I think the cities should make exceptions and allow those types places where they can create their artwork legally. Some of the best art I've ever seen was in tunnels and Aqueducts out in LA, it's a shame there's no outlet for these kids. The talented ones could be used to make an ugly city beautiful, I know in Riverside they comissioned some of the better graf artists to do some legal pieces and they're all amazing.

No matter what the police or other agencies do they won't ever stop kids from doing graf, working with them just seems logical to me. in Seattle they have a park set aside for the graf dudes where it was legal to tag all they wanted. Not sure if it's still there. But I know the news story I saw on it the place was a success, locals were trying to get it shut down as they claimed it encouraged tagging. But it kept a lot of kids off the streets and from bombing on public property.


Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

lol link blocked at work as illegal;questionable

 

[SMOGZINN]

Introduce them to peggers.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: QueBert
Depends on where it is and what it is. Dudes who do Chicken scratch shit should spend 5 years in prison. But the ones who have pieces that take them days to finish and are works of art, as long as they're not on the side of somebodies house/wall and improve the area I think the cities should make exceptions and allow those types places where they can create their artwork legally. Some of the best art I've ever seen was in tunnels and Aqueducts out in LA, it's a shame there's no outlet for these kids. The talented ones could be used to make an ugly city beautiful, I know in Riverside they comissioned some of the better graf artists to do some legal pieces and they're all amazing.

No matter what the police or other agencies do they won't ever stop kids from doing graf, working with them just seems logical to me. in Seattle they have a park set aside for the graf dudes where it was legal to tag all they wanted. Not sure if it's still there. But I know the news story I saw on it the place was a success, locals were trying to get it shut down as they claimed it encouraged tagging. But it kept a lot of kids off the streets and from bombing on public property.


Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

lol link blocked at work as illegal;questionable

I reposted it on bbzzdd for you. Cheers.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

facebook taggers are worse.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
facebook taggers are worse.

There is such a thing? How do they do that?

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: QueBert
Depends on where it is and what it is. Dudes who do Chicken scratch shit should spend 5 years in prison. But the ones who have pieces that take them days to finish and are works of art, as long as they're not on the side of somebodies house/wall and improve the area I think the cities should make exceptions and allow those types places where they can create their artwork legally. Some of the best art I've ever seen was in tunnels and Aqueducts out in LA, it's a shame there's no outlet for these kids. The talented ones could be used to make an ugly city beautiful, I know in Riverside they comissioned some of the better graf artists to do some legal pieces and they're all amazing.

No matter what the police or other agencies do they won't ever stop kids from doing graf, working with them just seems logical to me. in Seattle they have a park set aside for the graf dudes where it was legal to tag all they wanted. Not sure if it's still there. But I know the news story I saw on it the place was a success, locals were trying to get it shut down as they claimed it encouraged tagging. But it kept a lot of kids off the streets and from bombing on public property.


Good Example - nobody should be against shit like this, it has a great message and looks beautiful. That's a huge piece, I bet 10-12 feet high and maybe 100 feet wide.

lol link blocked at work as illegal;questionable

I reposted it on bbzzdd for you. Cheers.

now that's classy.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: QueBert
tagging to me is spray paint on the wall. Weather it be a complex piece that takes 5 dudes a week to finish or some retard with a Magnum marker tossing up some chicken scratch. Tagging in the chicken scratch form I hate more than people who hate tagging because it turns people off to the ones who have legit talent. I agree with you about the ugly marker shit, it should result in prison time. Not jail time, I want them to get Cornholed for a few months so they can learn a lesson.

They drew on property not their own, so they should get raped in prison? What kind of fucked up brutal fascist life do you live, huh? Absolutely pathetic. So are some of the other posters here, too. It amazes me, really amazes me, how absolutely insane some of you are.

I love graffiti, but the idiots who spend 15 seconds writing their name and consider it art needs to be anally violated. I am as pro graffiti as you can get as long as they put their heart into it. These fuckers give the culture I love a bad rep and make people hate graffiti across the board because it's the shit the average joe sees the most. So in tern it's what people will associated with graffiti.

If they get pounded in the ass good in Prison for awhile 1 of 2 things will happen

1. they'll stop tagging and making all tagger look like talentless assclowns = WIN! or
2. they'll learn how to draw and create works of art. = WIN!

hate to break it to you tagger....it's still the same problem. The rest of us don't give a shit you spend two hours in the cold in your kango pouring your soul into : "xBaLLeRx' on an overpass. It's not art anymore than going into a 7-11 with a kabar fighting knife is surgery.

that's your opinion though, you might not think it's art, but it is. Who are you to define what's art and what's not? I could understand not appreciating it because it's illegal, but to say it's not art is retarded. A great example would be all the LEGAL graffiti cities pay taggers to do. LA has dozens of murals city officials had taggers do to make the city a more beautiful place. So you're telling me just because they were giving permission it all of a sudden becomes art? And the problem here is when you see a mural you don't know if it was done illegally or commissioned, but you write it off as crap either way.

If it wasn't art, cities wouldn't pay them to create artwork for people to see right? You do not define what is and isn't art, so please don't try

 

[olds]

Shot of lead to the forehead.