switched from iphone to android, having regrets...

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iahk

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And my Samsung Galaxy Note keeps track of how many times the phone has been flashed and rooted. Which is far and away worse than Apple releasing updates that fix exploits. Regardless how you feel about JB'ing, it's made possible due to a hole in the system. Maybe Apple also releases these updates to keep all the people who make apps for the store happy? If I was a programmer I would damn sure be happy about that. Sideloading is a big problem, a good number of people I've ran into who JB did it so they could get free apps. Yeah there are exceptions, but be realistic most didn't so they could change the wallpaper.

Meanwhile Samsung won't give me a new phone if mine breaks because they can see I rooted it. But I'm sure none of the Android people would have any problem with that right? And it's not Google's fault here, so they're off the hook for letting the manafacturer of Android devices do whatever they fuck they want.

"Open source! NO WALLS! FREEDOM!" - Google

don't make me laugh.

there's ways around the binary flash count. that's what a $2 usb jig is for. You originally would have a point if this was new, but it's been around for years.
 

ponyo

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Flash counter is to prevent warranty abuse. I don't blame Samsung because I see so many clueless people who flash Roms without reading first. You have idiots flashing incompatible international ROM on US phones with different hardware and bricking it. Then they want warranty replacement for their dumb error.
 

Puddle Jumper

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The flash counter is incredibly easy to work around, all it does is catch the people who flash roms without doing their research first which I guess is probably the point.
 

Puddle Jumper

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My SGS2 took Odin and I had to find the matching version of CF-Root. I matched the firmware version but apparently my stock Android was 2.3.4 not 2.3.5. I flashed the wrong one initially (2.3.5) and my phone bootlooped.

The day I got my iPod Touch I plugged it in and JBed it in about 5 seconds flat with greenp0ison.

My Nexus S took a totally different way to root and I fumbled around trying to deal with Windows drivers for the longest time. Took about an hour total because the USB drivers wouldn't install for adb to work.

My Motorola Milestone took a lot of copying files back and forth and probably took 45 minutes.

I don't think rooting is not THAT easy at all. It differs phone to phone and iOS JBing is a joke compared to rooting.

My SGS2 took all of 30 seconds to root, it couldn't have been easier.
 

Zaap

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I don't think I'd try and argue jailbreaking vs. rooting with a straight face from the iOS side.

I remember one of my friends showing me his 'jailbroken' iPhone 4 before there was an untethered jailbreak and the stupid thing was fragile as an eggshell. He told me (I still find this hard to believe) he was scared the stupid thing would lock up as apparently it often did and he'd have to wait until he went home to restart it with the jailbreak! Litterally, he needed to be 'tethered' to a system in order to have the jailbreak work.

Beyond that, all the stuff he did to his phone to make it barely Android-like- the kinds of changes you can make to any stock Android phone even without root- made the thing run horribly slow. It made me think I can't even believe any iPhone user would pretend that mess was the same thing as rooting an Android device which doesn't have any of the negative side effects and ends up generally making the phone faster, not less so.

Now I kind of laugh when iOS fans celebrate an 'untethered' jailbreak like it's a big deal.

Great, enjoy what should just be a common function of your OS, an untethered, unrestricted way of making the OS what it should be anyway- but be smug about it vs. rooting on Android? PUH-LEASE.
 

lothar

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And my Samsung Galaxy Note keeps track of how many times the phone has been flashed and rooted. Which is far and away worse than Apple releasing updates that fix exploits. Regardless how you feel about JB'ing, it's made possible due to a hole in the system. Maybe Apple also releases these updates to keep all the people who make apps for the store happy? If I was a programmer I would damn sure be happy about that. Sideloading is a big problem, a good number of people I've ran into who JB did it so they could get free apps. Yeah there are exceptions, but be realistic most didn't so they could change the wallpaper.

Meanwhile Samsung won't give me a new phone if mine breaks because they can see I rooted it. But I'm sure none of the Android people would have any problem with that right? And it's not Google's fault here, so they're off the hook for letting the manafacturer of Android devices do whatever they fuck they want.

"Open source! NO WALLS! FREEDOM!" - Google

don't make me laugh.
If the person has more than 2 brain cells to rub together, Samsung won't be able to detect it. How can one know how to root and not know how to get rid of that pesky Samsung "Yellow Triangle"? o_O

There are several apps for that:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway&feature=search_result
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.mobileodin.pro&feature=search_result

There are also USB jigs being sold on eBay for $1-2 just for that sole purpose.
 

cmdrdredd

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Are you comparing this to iPhone where you are entirely locked down and can't do anything? At least you have a choice with Android. I also wouldn't say that the only useful apps require root. Chrome isn't useful? Gmail isn't useful? They don't require root.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I said all the better apps that are useful. Most people seemed to know I didn't mean gmail...
 
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Kenmitch

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If the person has more than 2 brain cells to rub together, Samsung won't be able to detect it. How can one know how to root and not know how to get rid of that pesky Samsung "Yellow Triangle"? o_O

There are several apps for that:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway&feature=search_result
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.mobileodin.pro&feature=search_result

There are also USB jigs being sold on eBay for $1-2 just for that sole purpose.

If he has the ATT Galaxy Note that app doesn't work for it. A quick google search will tell him how tho :)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1569206
 

lothar

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If he has the ATT Galaxy Note that app doesn't work for it. A quick google search will tell him how tho :)
Which is why I also listed $1-2 USB jig as an option, or hell you can even make your own USB jig if you're that cheap.

People are too lazy to do research nowadays unless you point them in the general direction which is why I didn't just simply tell him "Google it".
Google certainly has the answer to everything.

If he still thinks that there's no way for him to remove the "yellow triangle" and reset the binary counter on his AT&T Galaxy Note despite evidence to the contrary, I won't waste much of my time trying to convince him otherwise.