[Sweclocker] Anno 2225 benchmarked

[Goatsecks]

That's not just oversimplification, that's directly misleading. You're trying to equalise what is happening here when it's completely unwarranted. There's a massive, huge, advantage to one side. So why are you trying to avoid this topic by blaming both? It's not equal at all.

There are good reasons to ask why the game is another Project CARS, reasons which you obviously don't want discussed by trying to pin blame on both as a saving maneuver.

I'm not 'blaming' anyone, it is not a crime if either company occasionally take thier eye of the ball regarding driver optimisations. As some one else said, let's wait and see what a couple of driver iterations do to the performance.

Sorry, does this game use physx?

 

[Techhog]

you didn't read post 53?

that's my answer. for the 3rd time.

Your answer is just BS to praise Nvidia when there's clearly too much wrong with this game for it to just be unoptimized drivers. Unless you can point to another example of a situation as bad as this, there's obviously something wrong with this game. Was Crysis even this bad at launch?

 

[happy medium]

clearly too much wrong with this game for it to just be unoptimized drivers

If its so clear then tell us whats wrong with it?
Seems you have been playing it right?

 

[amenx]

I've always been of the view to never take benchmarks of a just released game too seriously. To give it about 1 month then bench it with drivers that have been released post game launch.

 

[happy medium]

Your answer is just BS to praise Nvidia when there's clearly too much wrong with this game for it to just be unoptimized drivers. Unless you can point to another example of a situation as bad as this, there's obviously something wrong with this game. Was Crysis even this bad at launch?

Reminds me of Ark performance, or FC4 & ACU on release before the patches and drivers fixed performance.

He answered that one.

 

[happy medium]

That's not just oversimplification, that's directly misleading. You're trying to equalise what is happening here when it's completely unwarranted. There's a massive, huge, advantage to one side. So why are you trying to avoid this topic by blaming both? It's not equal at all.

There are good reasons to ask why the game is another Project CARS, reasons which you obviously don't want discussed by trying to pin blame on both as a saving maneuver.

It looks like a good example of Nvidia working closely with game devs again.
AMD will have a driver fix in a few weeks or so.
How many times does this got to happen before people wakeup?
Mabe AMD does'nt have the money to work closely with the game devs?

 

[Erenhardt]

It looks like a good example of Nvidia working closely with game devs again.
AMD will have a driver fix in a few weeks or so.
How many times does this got to happen before people wakeup?
Mabe AMD does'nt have the money to work closely with the game devs?

Maybe devs can't work closely with amd if the already work closely with nvidia. Bacause of rea$on$...

Ultimately dx12 will expose bad game developers.

 

[Goatsecks]

Maybe devs can't work closely with amd if the already work closely with nvidia. Bacause of rea$on$...

Ultimately dx12 will expose bad game developers.

Why on earth any Dev would turn down the opportunity to work with AMD is beyond me.

And no, I do not consider brown envelopes exchanging hands a reasonable or likely scenario.

 

[happy medium]

Maybe devs can't work closely with amd if the already work closely with nvidia. Bacause of rea$on$...

Ultimately dx12 will expose bad game developers.

See Nvidia game ready drivers (and sli profile) for Call of duty Black ops 3.
Game releases on Friday.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-358-87-whql-driver-released

Nvidia is on top of their game.

mabe AMD is not driver ready with ANNO 2225?

 

[happy medium]

Why on earth any Dev would turn down the opportunity to work with AMD is beyond me.

I'll give a great reason.
Its called "market share"
If Sony had 80% of the console market ,do you think EA would goto Microsoft first?
I think Microsoft would have to come to Sony.

 

[RussianSensation]

It looks like a good example of Nvidia working closely with game devs again.
AMD will have a driver fix in a few weeks or so.
How many times does this got to happen before people wakeup?
Mabe AMD does'nt have the money to work closely with the game devs?

Wake up to what? Knowledge that NV bribes developers with programmers/architecture specific optimizations in exchange for co-marketing? Why is that when AMD works with game developers, we don't see R9 380 trading blows with a GTX980? :sneaky: Isn't it a little suspicious that nearly every GW title or game that blatantly favours NV like ProjectCARS with ads of NV plastered all over the game just magically performs 30-50% faster on Maxwell while Kepler and GCN run like dogs? 960 beating a factory pre-overclocked 780 is a normal course of GPU life-cycle now? Are you kidding?

Why would brand agnostic PC gamers want to support such a crazy business practice? If these themes persist on both sides, one day I'll end up with an NV card only to find out AMD bribed my favourite game developer and have my $350 Volta card barely matching a $160 AMD card. To make sure this doesn't happen, I'll buy a $650 Volta card for some performance reserve but then with the successor to Volta, my $650 Volta will start performing poorly by pure magic. Sounds like something I want to support for PC game development....not.

For this particular game, none of this may apply since it just came out so I will reserve my judgement after several GPU driver releases and game patches. However, besides NV's FX5000 series getting killed in DX9 or the industry's natural progression to SM3.0 that wiped out X800 series, I don't remember any GPU generation where a new architecture was favoured this much in AAA games against AMD's and NV's last gen products. Can you recall any such time?

I'll give a great reason.
Its called "market share"
If Sony had 80% of the console market ,do you think EA would goto Microsoft first?
I think Microsoft would have to come to Sony.

This argument is flawed because NV's 80% market share does not imply that most of those gamers are Maxwell users. Based on the level of quarterly GPU sales, it suggests the opposite -- many PC gamers hold onto their cards for longer than 2 years. This is one of the primary reasons NV/AMD raised prices and volume unit sales of graphics card sales have fallen 2.5-3X from their peak levels. That actually means now more PC gamers than ever are gaming on something other than Maxwell.

Again, you are missing some points brought up by others here that the game even performs horribly on a $280-300 970 and it runs very poorly on older Kepler cards like the $650 780! For a game developer to try to get more sales, they should make sure the game runs well on many PCs. If this was this gen's Crysis 1, its incredible demands would be understandable. But games like ARK Survival or Anno 2205 don't look special enough to warrant their lack of optimization and extremely steep GPU requirements.

I also think you are missing yet another point brought up earlier - relative standing of newer vs. older NV architectures. The 980Ti runs Anno 2205 well, but now imagine next gen Anno or some Ubifail game where a Pascal $160 card is trading blows with a GTX980Ti. Do you endorse that sort of 'progress'/level of game optimization?

Ubisoft clearly failed on this one.

"The story is a poorly written comic book with clear “good guys” and “bad guys,” and no real sense of closure. Anno 2205 is an engaging and strategic city builder with a forgettable story and too little motivation beyond profit."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/11/04/anno-2205-review

I'll reiterate what I said earlier. Even if this game was hitting > 100 fps on integrated graphics, it's still not worth purchasing for most PC gamers, not until it hits $5-10 on Steam.

 

[Azix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C73qN4dZdvo

seems performance IS crap all around. hard to get 1080p high performance on a gtx 980. Memory leak etc

See Nvidia game ready drivers (and sli profile) for Call of duty Black ops 3.
Game releases on Friday.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-358-87-whql-driver-released

Nvidia is on top of their game.

mabe AMD is not driver ready with ANNO 2225?

I find this silly. This game ready driver obsession people have. It's marketing. "oh m G nvidia is so great they always release a driver when a game comes out." Who even knows wth they did if anything at all. And again, the fact they do this is BAD for longevity. For the consumer, if they really do need game ready drivers for every new game, you are screwed when new GPUs come out unless you upgrade. Your wonderful 980Ti becomes a mid range GPU because there is a fancy new 1080ti out and nvidia can't be bothered most of the time to game ready your old crap.

 

[tential]

He's so focused on making it nvidia vs amd rather than realizing this hurts all of us including those of who upgrade every year. I will not be happy if I go back to play a 2 year old game and find out that if I don't have maxwell architecture it bombs.

Id need to own every architecture of gpu an would not be able to use a vastly superior gpu to run a gw title at 4k because my new gpu won't work on a game made for 1 exact architecture.

I literally don't get how any is happy about this but some people just love to push their favorite vendor. Couldn't care less about nvidia or amd. Ubisoft needs to be boycotted though, their games don't work.

 

[Pariah]

Maybe devs can't work closely with amd if the already work closely with nvidia. Bacause of rea$on$...

Ultimately dx12 will expose bad game developers.

It is far more likely that AMD isn't capable of working with game developers. I don't doubt for a second that NVidia worked with the developers of Anno 2225 to get the best possible performance for their current generation cards before release. There is nothing illegal or shady about that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing. Trying to bring the best possible experience to users of their products is what they SHOULD be doing. It isn't Nvidia's fault if AMD doesn't have the resources to help every design studio optimize games for AMD hardware before launch. Anno 2225 isn't going to be on any best seller lists for 2015. If AMD is going to work with developers on major releases, this isn't one of the games they would choose.

Anyone who knows anything about game development knows that deadlines are always way too soon to get everything done before launch. It isn't surprising that there was only time to optimize for one architecture before launch. If Nvidia chose to optimize Kepler instead of Maxwell 2 they wouldn't be Nvidia, they would be AMD. It would be a terrible business decision to focus on your last generation products first which you aren't even selling anymore.

Some of you people are simply out of your mind. You act like any game is unplayable if it isn't over 100fps. Every card from a base 780/290 up is hitting 35fps or more at 1440p. That is more than sufficient to enjoy a game like this.

 

[Pariah]

He's so focused on making it nvidia vs amd rather than realizing this hurts all of us including those of who upgrade every year. I will not be happy if I go back to play a 2 year old game and find out that if I don't have maxwell architecture it bombs.

Why do you keep saying this? When was the last time you saw a new card slower than an older card of the same performance tier?

 

[Azix]

AMD isn't scaling too well with CPU

They are real lucky we are almost done with dx11

It is far more likely that AMD isn't capable of working with game developers.

You probably want to qualify this with "most" or "as many". Because clearly they can work with developers.

I don't doubt for a second that NVidia worked with the developers of Anno 2225 to get the best possible performance for their current generation cards before release. There is nothing illegal or shady about that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing. Trying to bring the best possible experience to users of their products is what they SHOULD be doing. It isn't Nvidia's fault if AMD doesn't have the resources to help every design studio optimize games for AMD hardware before launch. Anno 2225 isn't going to be on any best seller lists for 2015. If AMD is going to work with developers on major releases, this isn't one of the games they would choose.

If they can fix this they will do so with the next driver update. But games like these are best on dx12 unfortunately, at least for AMD. Even a 980ti gets crippled once the scene gets more complex. The benchmarks are using relatively simple scenes to what a person might build mid-late game.

Anyone who knows anything about game development knows that deadlines are always way too soon to get everything done before launch. It isn't surprising that there was only time to optimize for one architecture before launch. If Nvidia chose to optimize Kepler instead of Maxwell 2 they wouldn't be Nvidia, they would be AMD. It would be a terrible business decision to focus on your last generation products first which you aren't even selling anymore.

they would be nvidia making crap choices. AMD has not done that.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

Well, on a more relevant note.

I own the game and it is fun, all card politics aside. If you've played 1404 and 2070, the gameplay is just as addicting. Environments are unique requiring you to change up your build strategy. Combat missions are throwaway. For me, they detract from the core city building/economy management gameplay. If you are looking for a solid city builder to sink some serious time into, 2205 won't let you down.

Graphics are good but going from 4xAA to 8xAA drops my performance from the high 60s/low 70s to the low 50s and 40s on Ultra High settings @ 1440p.

It is $32 on CDKeys right now.

 

[happy medium]

Ubisoft needs to be boycotted though, their games don't work.

please elaborate........don't work?

He's so focused on making it nvidia vs amd rather than realizing this hurts all of us including those of who upgrade every year.

How will this ever hurt me? I don't get it. please elaborate further.

 

[happy medium]

Graphics are good but going from 4xAA to 8xAA drops my performance from the high 60s/low 70s to the low 50s and 40s on Ultra High settings @ 1440p.

Don't sound broken to me? good game , runs good....what more is there to say?
Thanks for the mini review.

 

[psolord]

Here are my tries on benchmarking Anno 2205, for whoever may be interested.

As always recorded witn an external digital recorder at 60fps, not that the game reaches or surpasses this kind of framerate. Also be warned for spicy wallpapers. If your grandma walks in, switch to pron, it will be easier to explain!

Benchmark consists of a lengthy gameplay, during which I do three passes over my city, top down, angled and zoomed in and a battle session. Framerate graphs and frametimes at the end as usual. Wish I could have avoided the few seconds on the Earth map before the battle session, but it was too little to skew the benchmark. I tried to keep the same "path" on all runs as usual.

All vids at ultra and I only reduced the AA. 4xAA for the 970 and 7950, noAA for the 5850.

I am expecting my 5850 to give me the finger and slam the door on its way out, with the settings I am throwing at it, any day now. It is a baked card too. I am saving my good one for later.

Speaking of which, crossfire does seem to work but its getting too cpu limited, so I didn't make a video with it.

Anno 2205 1920x1080 Ultra(-) GTX 970 @1.5Ghz Core i5 2500k @4.8GHz - 48fps

Anno 2205 1920x1080 Ultra(-) 7950 @1.1Ghz CORE i7-860 @4GHz - 30fps

Anno 2205 1920X1080 Ultra NoAA 5850 @950Mhz Q9550 @4GHz - 20fps

The game is quite fan if you are into this kind of thing. Took me a while to get a positive economy, but I live in Greece, so it would be expected!

What I do not get however, is why the 7950+i7 860, show such a single threaded cpu usage.



I mean the 5850+q9550 system seems to spread the load as the 970+2500k system does. Also it has the same driver, same OS and same game version as the other AMD system. AMD you are confusing me.

 

[Azix]

so we have some information on whats going on. On GCN its killing a single core while spreading it out on the other architectures. GCN is different from what the 5850 has. Scheduler was moved to the hardware iirc and nvidias GPUs are more similar to the 5850 in that regard?

 

[thesmokingman]

so we have some information on whats going on. On GCN its killing a single core while spreading it out on the other architectures. GCN is different from what the 5850 has. Scheduler was moved to the hardware iirc and nvidias GPUs are more similar to the 5850 in that regard?

Looks like the 5850 is old enough that the game don't care to neuter it. ()

 

[happy medium]

so we have some information on whats going on. On GCN its killing a single core while spreading it out on the other architectures. GCN is different from what the 5850 has. Scheduler was moved to the hardware iirc and nvidias GPUs are more similar to the 5850 in that regard?

In short "its a driver issue" not the big bad wolf Nvidia.

 

[tential]

Sounds fun. I'll dl it and build a cool city if it works well on future gpu architectures. I won't hold my breath with ubisoft at the helm though.

 

[psolord]

So I have to ask, people with 4k screens get better resolution, or bigger play area?

Is it selectable somehow for games like Anno?

Personally I would be more interested in bigger play area.