[Sweclocker] Anno 2225 benchmarked

[tg2708]

You don't have to be a super genius to assume Nvidia is making sure developers are using the features unique to the Maxwell 2 architecture that give it a significant performance advantage vs every other arch out there including their previous generation. Everything from Nvidia and AMD is pretty much in line where you would expect, just the GM20x cards are way out of whack. It is ridiculous to try and hypothesize that NVidia is in cohorts with game developers and they are both spending time crippling every architecture about the same that isn't GM20x based. The not retarded viewpoint is that there are certain feature that GM20x based hardware is simply better at than anything else, and some games take advantage of this, and some don't.



Don't worry about it. As someone brilliantly stated in another thread. You don't want the performance advantage now. When you really want it, is 2 years from now. So, if you are using AMD, just wait. 2 years from now when AMD gets the drivers right, the Fury X will be faster than the 970.

Current games 70 vs 80 fps amd and nvidia respectively, no conceivable difference in performance. Future games 53 vs 60 nvidia and amd respectively (without gysnc nor freesync). I can now assure you with just a a few percent drop in performance or lost fps the amd card will provide a better gaming experience. With a few different ways to pick at this bolded area I'll leave just this one.

 

[Azix]

Current games 70 vs 80 fps amd and nvidia respectively, no conceivable difference in performance. Future games 53 vs 60 nvidia and amd respectively (without gysnc nor freesync). I can now assure you with just a a few percent drop in performance or lost fps the amd card will provide a better gaming experience. With a few different ways to pick at this bolded area I'll leave just this one.

or a $300 at launch card putting out fps within 6 fps of a $649 at launch card.

its a ubisoft game so expected I guess. The performance on the 970 is not so great either. I just hope division doesn't turn out like this.

 

[boozzer]

When drivers are unoptimized for the game, traditional MSAA performance hit can easily be 40-50%. This game uses traditional MSAA:

"Anno 2205 is further noted that the developers have thought about a technically clean presentation. This starts with the finely filtered Soft Shadows and culminates with the anti-aliasing measures: Thanks to the new Render method celebrates Multisample AA as real hardware antialiasing a comeback, Anno 2205 offers 2 × to 8 × MSAA."***

PCGamesHardware:

960 is 40% faster than GTX770, and 960 beats one of the fastest factory pre-overclocked GTX780s too, and then 960 ties a 390X Also, 980 is beating 780Ti by 37% (!), and 980Ti is beating 780Ti by 79% at 1080P:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Anno-2205-Spiel-55714/Specials/Technik-Test-Benchmarks-1175781/

Maxwell shows some unusual performance gains over GCN or Kepler. Computerbase.de has 980 beating 780Ti by up to 48%, 980Ti is up to 80% faster than the GTX780Ti, 46% faster than Fury X, and GTX770 is only on par with a GTX950:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-11/anno-2205-benchmarks/2/

Another possibility is that this game is hitting AMD's DX11 API CPU bottleneck hard. From Computerbase.de results:

CPU scaling is basically non-existent with the Fury X:
FX8370 + Fury X = 67.3 fps
i7 4770K @ 4.4Ghz + Fury X = 69.5 fps (+3.3%)

vs.

FX8370 + 980TI = 77.5 fps
i7 4770K @ 4.4Ghz + 980Ti = 101.6 fps (+31%)
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-11/anno-2205-benchmarks/2/

EDIT: ***Earlier I mentioned MSAA performance hit. Looks like Computerbase has that covered too and up to 4XMSAA, it doesn't seem like the Fury X takes a much larger performance hit vs. 980Ti. At 8XMSAA, 980Ti wins big, but ironically with Ultra shaders enabled, 980Ti takes a massive performance hit while the Fury X doesn't.
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-11/anno-2205-benchmarks/

I wonder how AMD cards would have performed in this title under DX12 API.

BTW, GreenManGaming has Anno 2205 on sale 40% off already for $34.99 (and SW:BF for $44.99, Black Ops 3 for $39.99, Rainbox 6 Siege for $39.99, and AC Syndicate for $37.99).

960 beating 770 and 780 oc hahahahahahahaaha

 

[happy medium]

It's hilarious how this thread nvidia fans are trying to make it amd vs nvidia rather than asking why a gtx 960 is faster than a gtx 780 (Titan class) gpu.

Anytime gameworks does this though the game will not be purchased by me.

I just bought a 960 4gb cheap, (stopgap) I don't really care about old Kepler performance.

And I'm guessing by late next year I won't care about Maxwell performance.
I'll have a next gen card with next gen features and performance.

If I had a 770 series Kepler card I would have sold it last year for a gtx970.

SOme people don't keep their cards for 2 or 3 years guys.

 

[Gikaseixas]

SOme people don't keep their cards for 2 or 3 years guys

Funny thing is you had your CF setup for more than 4/5 years didn't you?
Some people do keep their cards for more than 2/3 years and you're one of them

 

[Goatsecks]

Allow me to sum up: it looks like both AMD and Nvidia have some work to on their respective drivers. Is this a big deal? No.

Can we just get this thread locked now? Cut out the middleman of 30 pages of bloated and verbose verbiage centred around some amazingly obscure points between architectures A and B, traditionally resulting in a thread being locked.

 

[tential]

I just bought a 960 4gb cheap, I don't really care about old Kepler performance.

And I'm guessing by late next year I won't care about Maxwell performance.
I'll have a next gen card with next gen features and performance.

If I had a 770 series Kepler card I would have sold it last year for a gtx970.

Not the point my friend. The point is that using a game in which only one architecture does well makes 0 sense to draw performance conclusions from a game optimized for only 1 gpu architecture.

 

[thesmokingman]

It can't possibly be without NV's guiding hand for 980 to be ~50% faster than 780Ti or 960 pwning 780. That kind of shenanigan can only be from GameWorks..

Ubifail is in their pocket.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...-2205-powered-by-geforce-gtx-at-gamescom-2015

 

[tential]

Ubifail is in their pocket.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...-2205-powered-by-geforce-gtx-at-gamescom-2015

I refuse to pay for ubisoft games. This is just another example why. It's unacceptable behavior to do this it doest matter what team you root.

Let's say I fire up ac unity in 2018(or any fail game this company makes) . Will my new infinitely faster gpu not have good frames just because it's not maxwell architecture?

Ubisoft sucks, but people defend them in a gpu discussion just to promote their favorite gpu vendor and it's th most aggravating thing.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Ubifail is in their pocket.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...-2205-powered-by-geforce-gtx-at-gamescom-2015

NV had several months to tweak drivers then... but i wouldn't go as far as accusing them of foul play because partnerships have their advantages, nothing more

 

[tential]

NV had several months to tweak drivers then... but i wouldn't go as far as accusing them of foul play because partnerships have their advantages, nothing more

I blame ubisoft. Other games have gameworks that aren't ubisoft without these issues. It's gameworks + ubisoft that usually leads to poor performance.

When I hear gameworks I instantly think, poorly optimized, issues, crashes, etc.

That is thanks to ubisoft.

 

[thesmokingman]

NV had several months to tweak drivers then... but i wouldn't go as far as accusing them of foul play because partnerships have their advantages, nothing more

Head in the sand much?

 

[Gikaseixas]

I blame ubisoft. Other games have gameworks that aren't ubisoft without these issues. It's gameworks + ubisoft that usually leads to poor performance.

When I hear gameworks I instantly think, poorly optimized, issues, crashes, etc.

That is thanks to ubisoft.

Do we have proof that GW is a factor in this? Or is it because NV had since July/August to prepare it's drivers? Genuine question

 

[Gikaseixas]

Head in the sand much?

look i might be wrong specially because Ubisoft has repeatably been one of the worse offenders in this area and NV is a cunning corp as they come but AMD could very well match NV in a month's time and then what?

 

[thesmokingman]

look i might be wrong specially because Ubisoft has repeatably been one of the worse offenders in this area and NV is a cunning as they come but AMD could very well match NV in a month's time and then what?

Hahahaha! Right. Then what? Is that you're reply with the histories of both Nvidia and Ubifail? There's no need to continue, by your posts it's obvious.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Hahahaha! Right. Then what? Is that you're reply with the histories of both Nvidia and Ubifail? There's no need to continue, by your posts it's obvious.

LOL
I just think it needs to be investigated a bit more before we start these forum wars. I also lean towards believing that GW could be a factor but lets look for solid bases

Before you start accusations, you should know that i am a big AMD fan and supporter.

 

[thesmokingman]

Like Project Cars? Whose going to investigate like the parties involved don't already deny any and all wrongdoings? Hello, Project Cars?

 

[96Firebird]

LOL
I just think it needs to be investigated a bit more before we start these forum wars. I also lean towards believing that GW could be a factor but lets look for solid bases

Before you start accusations, you should know that i am a big AMD fan and supporter.

First things first, how about we get some clarification if the game even is a GameWorks game. I am not seeing ANYTHING leading me to believe it is...

 

[Headfoot]

Ubisoft gonna Ubi. When Anno 2070 launched, I couldn't play because the UPlay servers were overloaded. After a while I gave up and played the game months later instead. I can only imagine this is the Anno devs getting pressure from Ubi corporate to speed up release as they tend to do so itll be yet another unfinished Ubi game released before its done.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I am not seeing ANYTHING leading me to believe it is...

I knew you wouldn't. Try with a more neutral mindset

EDIT: That was a bit harsh, but for real, history is not on their side pal

 

[tential]

Do we have proof that GW is a factor in this? Or is it because NV had since July/August to prepare it's drivers? Genuine question

Did I say it was Gameworks fault?

I said Ubisoft + Gameworks = Poor Performance/Performance Issues.

Ubisoft could simply be idiots and not be able to utilize Gameworks at all. I don't really care.
When I hear Gameworks, I've seen so many poor gameworks usages that at this point, I'm already thinking the performance will SUCK.
Combine that with Ubisoft, and I'm not purchasing the game. EVER. I'll pirate it at best, but it will not receive a single dollar, even if they fix the problems after release.

I'm not supporting games that have massive issues at launch. DO NOT release a broken game, otherwise, I will NEVER pay for it. And I mean NEVER, and I will also most likely not purchase the future releases no matter how good either because that really pisses me off as a consumer.

If they had on the box "Maxwell Architecture Preferred" I'm ok. I should NOT have to look up PC performance charts to see how a game performs on my GPU. I should expect SOME level of baseline performance without needing further research.

This is just ridiculous at this point, are you telling me that you're ok with the practice of releasing a game in which only one architecture is capable of playing the game?
What happens when Pascal is released? Is my 1080Ti going to perform like a GTX970 (In this case Pascal is similar in architecture to Maxwell but imagine they needed to redesign the GPU again to get what they wanted out of the nodeshrink).

I can type a novel, but at the end of the day, I'm not purchasing an Ubisoft game until they fix issues like this that have CONTINUALLY plagued their releases.

Edit: If I was Nvidia, I would NOT let Ubisoft use anything associated with my name when talking about their games. Same with AMD I wouldn't swoop in and grab ubisoft if Nvidia leaves them. Leave Ubisoft alone until they can fix the issues on their end.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Did I say it was Gameworks fault?

I said Ubisoft + Gameworks

I rest my case

It is unfortunate that we have to deal with shenanigans like these in this industry but we have to wait for more evidence before pointing fingers, that's all i am saying

 

[happy medium]

Funny thing is you had your CF setup for more than 4/5 years didn't you?

Actually that system collected dust for 3 years. It also went from a gtx260 to a 5770 to a gtx460 to 2 6780's. ANd might get the 960 next year.
Parents use it.

 

[Pariah]

Current games 70 vs 80 fps amd and nvidia respectively, no conceivable difference in performance. Future games 53 vs 60 nvidia and amd respectively (without gysnc nor freesync). I can now assure you with just a a few percent drop in performance or lost fps the amd card will provide a better gaming experience. With a few different ways to pick at this bolded area I'll leave just this one.

You didn't understand the only partially sarcastic point I was making. The AMD cards will be faster in current games in 2 years. So in 2017, when Anno 2225 is for sale on steam for $5, Fury X users can pick it up on the cheap and enjoy playing it a better fps than a 970. Win/win for AMD users, better performance and cheaper games. All you have to do is wait a couple of years.

The strengths of the Fury X are at high resolutions. Anyone buying it to play at 1080p didn't read any reviews before they bought it. At what appear to be regular settings, the 980Ti is dominating the Fury X at 1440p (76 vs 54). There is an even larger playability difference at 2160p (42.6 vs 34.4). But like I said, no worries, in 2 years AMD will catch up, and then AMD fans will be able to gloat about the Fury X beating a 980Ti, even though none of them actually bought a Fury X, and the Nvidia users have moved on to something faster.

 

[Goatsecks]

LOL
I just think it needs to be investigated a bit more before we start these forum wars...

It is unfortunate that we have to deal with shenanigans like these in this industry but we have to wait for more evidence before pointing fingers, that's all i am saying

Gikaseixa, you stand before us accused of that most foul and heinous crime: a reasonable and even handed opinion. You are aware that the punishment for a crime of this magnitude is lynching by pitchfork equipped mob. How do you plead?