Susan Rice is who we thought she was

[agent00f]

Russian intentions are clear- to promote divisiveness in America, to set us fighting among ourselves. It meshes perfectly with the resentment, bitterness & wedge issue politics Repubs have promulgated for decades.

A clinton win would be just as divisive, so that can't be it. I don't think it's hard to figure out why Putin really like Trump.

 

[Thebobo]

A clinton win would be just as divisive, so that can't be it. I don't think it's hard to figure out why Putin really like Trump.

Tiny hands?

 

[Jhhnn]

A clinton win would be just as divisive, so that can't be it. I don't think it's hard to figure out why Putin really like Trump.

I don't think so. Hers was not a radical minority agenda.

 

[Amused]

Tiny hands?

I bet it looks big in those hands.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I bet it looks big in those hands.

bad deadpool!

 

[werepossum]

Wow, here I thought this thread was done around page 14. Certainly degenerated since then. This post did catch my eye. Assuming it's not an intentional bait (which is possible!) I'd just like to point out that generally speaking, each 'side of the isle' (which may include moderates in between) tend to see actions differently, so while, for instance, Conservatives/Republican leaning folks might see the reopening of the XL pipeline construction to be 'creating jobs', Liberals/Democrats would tend toward seeing that as sacrificing the environment for corporate profits. A given action may *seem* evil to one side, and 'for america' as another.

There's tons of details to fight over in between, but if you were genuinely asking why some people revile Trump and his decisions so much, that's the reason. Flip the switch the other direction for Obama, or whoever the token Democratic president happens to be in <insert election cycle>.

Well said, Mr. (or Ms.) Voice of Reason.

I highly doubt Rice's actions were illegal. Seems to me that simply saying "we suspect foul play" would be enough to justify unmasking the names, since that law is designed to protect the anonymity of innocent Americans taped on conversations not related to the warrant. If she lied to the FBI, then she needs to be prosecuted. If she merely lied to the American public, well, that was always her main function in the Obama administration and is standard D.C. practice. Why would we pretend she is unique just because she got caught red-handed?

Whoever leaked those names committed felonies. But just as with the DNC hacks, I'd fine them a buck and give them a lengthy probation if caught. The first step in draining the swamp is turning over the rocks and seeing what scurries.

 

[Zstream]

Well said, Mr. (or Ms.) Voice of Reason.

I highly doubt Rice's actions were illegal. Seems to me that simply saying "we suspect foul play" would be enough to justify unmasking the names, since that law is designed to protect the anonymity of innocent Americans taped on conversations not related to the warrant. If she lied to the FBI, then she needs to be prosecuted. If she merely lied to the American public, well, that was always her main function in the Obama administration and is standard D.C. practice. Why would we pretend she is unique just because she got caught red-handed?

Whoever leaked those names committed felonies. But just as with the DNC hacks, I'd fine them a buck and give them a lengthy probation if caught. The first step in draining the swamp is turning over the rocks and seeing what scurries.

The DNC hack is a private organization, and happens on a daily basis. Much different that leaking classified material.

 

[werepossum]

The DNC hack is a private organization, and happens on a daily basis. Much different that leaking classified material.

Agreed. But I make a huge difference between leaking, say, the plans for the F-35 on one hand, and leaking the names of Trump staffers talking with the Russian government on the other. I do not object with them talking with the Russian government, but I feel better if we know when they are doing so.

 

[Chiropteran]

Conspiracy theory as diversion from a failed conspiracy theory originally promulgated as a diversion from Russian psyops meddling in our political process.

Anything Rice or anybody else said or did after the fact won't affect what actually happened no matter how desperately the Trump clan tries to obfuscate & dance away from it.

Russian intentions are clear- to promote divisiveness in America, to set us fighting among ourselves. It meshes perfectly with the resentment, bitterness & wedge issue politics Repubs have promulgated for decades.

Unless you have proof, the "trump is w/ russia" thing is firmly in the category of conspiracy theory itself.

Considering how long Trump has been under surveillance, the fact that they haven't found any proof... I think that pretty much kills the theory. It's just a bunch of lunatics repeating garbage at this point, there is absolutely zero chance of anything coming from it.

So WTF is your point?

 

[alien42]

Considering how long Trump has been under surveillance, the fact

you can't start with complete bullshit and follow up with "the fact"

there is absolutely zero evidence that Trump was ever under surveillance, let alone for any extended period of time. the question is, what is your motivation is spreading such conspiracies as fact?

there is absolutely zero chance of anything coming from it.

you're doing it again, the very simple fact is that quite a few intelligence agencies are investigating connections between members of Trump's team and Russia. that means there is significantly more than zero chance of something coming from it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Agreed. But I make a huge difference between leaking, say, the plans for the F-35 on one hand, and leaking the names of Trump staffers talking with the Russian government on the other. I do not object with them talking with the Russian government, but I feel better if we know when they are doing so.

I'd feel even better about it if they didn't go out of their way to lie about contact... particularly under oath as with Sessions.

 

[agent00f]

I don't think so. Hers was not a radical minority agenda.

No, the conservatives would've been worse than for obama, given his talent as a centrist is pretty much unparalleled. It's just the american degenerate way.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't think so. Hers was not a radical minority agenda.

Republicans would have opposed her like they did Obama. Her agenda was irrelevant.

 

[cytg111]

Unless you have proof, the "trump is w/ russia" thing is firmly in the category of conspiracy theory itself.

Considering how long Trump has been under surveillance, the fact that they haven't found any proof... I think that pretty much kills the theory. It's just a bunch of lunatics repeating garbage at this point, there is absolutely zero chance of anything coming from it.

So WTF is your point?

Why are you spreading this misinformation and deformation of facts? Its really outthere... and on a tech board no less, majority of people here is informed and educated, you aint gonna topple noone here... I've asked you this before, two questions 1. do you post on https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald and 2. do you get paid for this?

 

[Zstream]

Agreed. But I make a huge difference between leaking, say, the plans for the F-35 on one hand, and leaking the names of Trump staffers talking with the Russian government on the other. I do not object with them talking with the Russian government, but I feel better if we know when they are doing so.

Show the proof already. Are you saying that there hasn't been a single leak, a single shred of evidence shown is normal?

 

[Chiropteran]

that means there is significantly more than zero chance of something coming from it.

Really? Okay, where is it? If they have the evidence, why are they sitting on it? If they don't have evidence now, they are never going to get it- the election is long over.

Face it, your last great hope is a big LIE. You fell for it, and it's making you look the fool, but at least you can admit you were wrong and move on with life.

 

[Thebobo]

Unless you have proof, the "trump is w/ russia" thing is firmly in the category of conspiracy theory itself.

Considering how long Trump has been under surveillance, the fact that they haven't found any proof... I think that pretty much kills the theory. It's just a bunch of lunatics repeating garbage at this point, there is absolutely zero chance of anything coming from it.

So WTF is your point?

How many times do you have to be told. The FBI and two congressional intelligence communities are investing just that. There is no fact that they haven't found anything, how would you know? You are like a little kid clamping his ears screaming I don't want to hear it!

And if there is zero chance why post this same old crap, you honestly think you are going to change anyones mind?

 

[Thebobo]

Really? Okay, where is it? If they have the evidence, why are they sitting on it? If they don't have evidence now, they are never going to get it- the election is long over.

Face it, your last great hope is a big LIE. You fell for it, and it's making you look the fool, but at least you can admit you were wrong and move on with life.

Really? Okay, where is it? If you have the evidence they dont have the evidence, why are you sitting on it? If they don't have evidence now, they will get it- Trump will go to Jail.

Face it, your last great hope is Trump. You fell for him, and it's making you look the fool, but at least you can admit you were wrong that you voted for him and move on with life.

 

[Chiropteran]

Oh look, an idiot asking for evidence of absence.

 

[Chiropteran]

How many times do you have to be told. The FBI and two congressional intelligence communities are investing just that. There is no fact that they haven't found anything, how would you know?

The election ended five months ago. Time travel doesn't exist. All the evidence they are ever going to have was collected prior to Nov 8.

If you do have evidence that the president is a fraud, you don't sit around and let him run the country for 5 months. You come out and charge him.

It's a stupid conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality.

 

[Jhhnn]

Show the proof already. Are you saying that there hasn't been a single leak, a single shred of evidence shown is normal?

I do love the way Trumpsters go on about supposedly leaked names of Trump associates who were in contact with the Russians. There has been one leak- Michael Flynn. Trump was briefed about Flynn's contacts & lies by the IC weeks before the leak forced him to shitcan Flynn and did nothing. Had it not been for the leak, it seems highly likely that Flynn would still be the national security adviser.

 

[Moonbeam]

The election ended five months ago. Time travel doesn't exist. All the evidence they are ever going to have was collected prior to Nov 8.

If you do have evidence that the president is a fraud, you don't sit around and let him run the country for 5 months. You come out and charge him.

It's a stupid conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality.

No no no no no, that's not how to look at it. There is a suspicion that Trump colluded with Russians to win the election. We thus have a suspected traitor as our President, one that will now be able to be manipulated by blackmail not to serve America, but Russian interests. That possibility means he must be put in prison. This will happen when so called rational people try to analyze the data to determine what the data says, and act to remove this terrible threat. The suspicion is there. There's no need for proof. You simply can't have a President with all the evidence that's already there. You don't drink one of two cups of tea, find out that one was poisoned and not immediately get your stomach pumped. You can't have for your President somebody who millions of people feel may be a traitor. He has to go, period. Now that is how you think. You can't see that is beyond me. But I think it's because you work for the Russian government.

 

[fskimospy]

The election ended five months ago. Time travel doesn't exist. All the evidence they are ever going to have was collected prior to Nov 8.

If you do have evidence that the president is a fraud, you don't sit around and let him run the country for 5 months. You come out and charge him.

It's a stupid conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality.

So you think the FBI is investigating a stupid conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality that involves the president? This is a shocking breach of constitutional norms that probably constitutes several felonies on the part of the FBI. Surely you can provide evidence that the FBI is acting so unethically???

Investigations take time, especially counterintelligence ones. Look how long the investigation into Clinton's email server took and that was far less complicated than this.

Nobody here has any idea what the investigation will turn up but declaring it a conspiracy theory is a sign of incredibly desperate wishful thinking on your part. Think logically, not emotionally.

 

[Jhhnn]

What does it mean when you find yourself on the same side of a domestic political contest as Russian Psyops?

It means you've made a horrible mistake.

 

[Younigue]

Really? Okay, where is it? If they have the evidence, why are they sitting on it? If they don't have evidence now, they are never going to get it- the election is long over.

Face it, your last great hope is a big LIE. You fell for it, and it's making you look the fool, but at least you can admit you were wrong and move on with life.

Again, they aren't going to release anything to the public until they can move forward but what we do know is there is just cause for these investigations and too many allegations and treasonous coincidence to ignore. The only one who fell for anything is you. Can you move on with life? I shudder to think what that looks like.