Abortion shouldn't even be a political topic. Non-issues like abortion are crippling attempts by real men (and women) to put real issues on the table and have an open discussion about what's wrong with America today.
I find it amusing how so many people like to change and twist the topic around to anything but what it origianally was! lol
The main subject was that if an attempt to abort a child fails, resulting in the birth of the child: Should it be considered a human child with rights that are given to all other people?
Personally I would have to judge that since that child is human, living under its own power (no long living in the mother), it demands the rights of any other person and if its life is in jeapordy all attempts to save its life must be taken just like any other child.
The main subject was that if an attempt to abort a child fails, resulting in the birth of the child: Should it be considered a human child with rights that are given to all other people?
Personally I would have to judge that since that child is human, living under its own power (no long living in the mother), it demands the rights of any other person and if its life is in jeapordy all attempts to save its life must be taken just like any other child.
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Precisely.
It sounds like some think it is the mothers right to ensure the child dies. Scalpels are quite efficient for this, so is bludgening with a club.
Living in poverty is living! There are waiting lines for adoption. You have made no credible point.
Would you abort every child that might live in poverty? That is how Planned Parenthood got their start.
:disgust:
You would force people in poverty to give their children up for adoption? I'd rather have a poor person who doesn't want a child to receive public funds to abort the fetus rather than be forced to give birth to it and have both of them live in poverty. The point was there, you just chose to ignore it.
I would allow people in poverty who do not want their baby to be able to abort it with public funds.
TallGeese, thanks for asking instead of presuming, even though you did just a bit.
PastorDon, I don't actually define 'think' that way, but just for the sake of provocation, I would include you as one incapable of thinking on this issue and I would exclude you from a discussion because your mind is made up and inflexable. You are one of the certain. What possible harm could come of preempting you from the discussion since, if you had the power, you would preempt the right of women to an abortion. Isn't it better to abort a theocratic takeover before it happens. Who cares about your rights when if you are given them you will use them to take the rights of others. How am I different than you?
PastorDon, I don't actually define 'think' that way, but just for the sake of provocation, I would include you as one incapable of thinking on this issue and I would exclude you from a discussion because your mind is made up and inflexable. You are one of the certain. What possible harm could come of preempting you from the discussion since, if you had the power, you would preempt the right of women to an abortion. Isn't it better to abort a theocratic takeover before it happens. Who cares about your rights when if you are given them you will use them to take the rights of others. How am I different than you?
I look at it this way...when you get a federal tax deduction for a fetus, then it's a human. Until that time comes, it's only a fetus. Removing it is a decision involving the woman and her doctor....not some busy-body pastor. Heh.....
Oh and loonie, uh moonie, Gore lost (thankfully).
Oh and loonie, uh moonie, Gore lost (thankfully).
For a topic as controversial as abortion, I don't think that any public funds be used to pay for them, even in cases of extreme poverty. But, I don't think that it should be illegal either. It should be used as a last resort only, and there should be some form of counseling first before any one has it done, just to make sure that it's what they really want. But let's face it, in todays world, you shouldn't be getting pregnant by mistake. There are so many ways of birth control that it just shouldn't happen, unless you're a strict fundie and believe that all birth control is evil. In that case though, abortion wouldn't even be an option. Hell, unless it was rape, sex is probably out of the question too.
A quick googling yields these Rush quotes:
??We must quit rewarding fathers for leaving their families and mothers for having more kids out of wedlock. "
??The poor in this country are the biggest piglets at the mother pig and her nipples. The poor feed off the largesse of this government and they give nothing back. Nothing. . . . They?re the ones that are always pandered to.??
??We must quit rewarding fathers for leaving their families and mothers for having more kids out of wedlock. "
??The poor in this country are the biggest piglets at the mother pig and her nipples. The poor feed off the largesse of this government and they give nothing back. Nothing. . . . They?re the ones that are always pandered to.??
I always love how Liberals quote out of context although these are quite obviously not aimed at single mothers on welfare having babies!
TallGeese, I have answered that question many many times in the past. My personal answer is academic. I personally would not have an abortion, but as a male, I won't have to exercise that option. Beyond my personal decision I have nothing to say. It is up to each woman in that position to decide. Men have no part whatsoever in this issue. That option is out the window at the moment of sex.
If I were king for the day I would institute the following:
1 Freeze all aborted fetuses and find a way to revive them.
2 Develop a technique where men could carry the aborted fetuses to term.
3. Institute a draft among Fundamentalist Christian anti abortion men.
4 Impregnate them with the revived fetuses.
5. Horsewhip these men as they give birth.
That should solve the problem one way or another.
If I were king for the day I would institute the following:
1 Freeze all aborted fetuses and find a way to revive them.
2 Develop a technique where men could carry the aborted fetuses to term.
3. Institute a draft among Fundamentalist Christian anti abortion men.
4 Impregnate them with the revived fetuses.
5. Horsewhip these men as they give birth.
That should solve the problem one way or another.
Congratulations, jyates, on a successful find. Now see if you can contribute something yourself.
I don't judge anyone that has an abortion, just like I don't judge a 14 year old that has a baby. It's just not our place. -- Girl Friday
I understand your desire to be gracious and inclusive with these people. Please permit me to be a bit more direct.
I will judge these actions in order to place heavy pressure on these people to do what is right. I will not judge their eternal destiny, that is reserved for God.
If you are a 14 year old and become pregnant, you must bring that child into the world. To abort that baby is murder. If you can?t support the child, let someone else do it.
If you have an abortion you are a murderer and will receive the reward of a murderer.
The good news is that God forgives.
I understand your desire to be gracious and inclusive with these people. Please permit me to be a bit more direct.
I will judge these actions in order to place heavy pressure on these people to do what is right. I will not judge their eternal destiny, that is reserved for God.
If you are a 14 year old and become pregnant, you must bring that child into the world. To abort that baby is murder. If you can?t support the child, let someone else do it.
If you have an abortion you are a murderer and will receive the reward of a murderer.
The good news is that God forgives.
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No... that's what liberals do...
A baby has just as much opportunity for success given that someone actually cares for it. Poverty exists because people that think like you would rather kill babies and redefine when a baby is a baby to clear their concious, instead of dealing with the situation in a civil manner. The pour souls that weren't aborted but stayed in an environment where abortion is the most desirable option, are doomed to fail in life.
It's not a matter of being gracious. It's a matter of not judging someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes, you know, like the Bible says? Putting pressure on someone to make them do what you deem to be right, will only drive them the other way. You would get better results with love and compassion, than heavy handed righteousness.
MrPALCO.......certainly you realize your concept of god is not shared by everyone. So how does a god-concept not shared by everyone fit into your little senario concerning aborting a fetus?
If you are handing out draft numbers if a person believes abortion is wrong please give me #2 if
it's still available or I'll take just any old number you might want to hand out.
it's still available or I'll take just any old number you might want to hand out.
Well, if you're not reading what people post, and clearly you would know what my draft is for if you were, you will never find any intelligence.
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