Geekbabe
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Shhh.. keep it up and they'll start calling you Loonie instead of MoonieOriginally posted by: Moonbeam
And, Red, the irony is, that in doing so, I always yank yours.
LOL, what? his nickname isn't really Loony Tunes already ? :Q
Sleeztak, don't believe everything you hear. Red Dawn is a Falwellian Fundamentalist Republican and ex-choir boy. He's a bit touchy on certain parts of his anatomy, rights for the ladies being one of them.
Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom,
blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter,
come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision,
rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions,
come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom,
blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter,
come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision,
rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions,
come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!
When is a person a person? Sperm meet egg. In the nanosecond after the sperm wiggles his way in there is that a person? No. Nine months later the result sure is. When does the voodoo happen? Hard to say. Thus, the legal definition of "person" and the conundrums therein.
There is only one important fact in the Florida election and that is that Gore got the most votes. A so called just decision that selects the looser is not justice, it's injustice. Votes are what decide elections. Bush is a looser. He knows he is a looser. He will continue to try to reverse Roe vs Wade.
Maybe one day people will wake up to the fact that the lunatic Fundamentalists have a political adjenda that needs crushing. There is one thing you can be sure of and its that people who are sure are insane. It's the definition of insane. It is the greatest threat to our survival on earth.
Make that two things you can be sure of. Gore won in Florida.
Maybe one day people will wake up to the fact that the lunatic Fundamentalists have a political adjenda that needs crushing. There is one thing you can be sure of and its that people who are sure are insane. It's the definition of insane. It is the greatest threat to our survival on earth.
Make that two things you can be sure of. Gore won in Florida.
IIFC Gore asked for recounts only in the 4 large, democrat counties.
I lost what little respect I had for Gore during that time when he sued to prevent absentee military ballots from being included in the counting.
The term "abortion survivor" seems odd to me. It seems to me that it refers only to fetuses whom the doctor unsuccessfully attempted to abort. How often does that occur? I don't have the facts but I'm betting on 'not very often'.
The problem with Fundamental belief is that it always leads you into some blind alley where the application of the fixed idea leads to absurdity. God is omnipotent so what if he decided to move himself while resisting being moved. Do we have free will if he's omnipotent. I call this biting off more than you can chew, or telling such a whopper of a lie that you get trapped by your own exaggeration. The same thing happens with abortion.
There is noting that appeals to simple-mindedness than the notion that a fertilized ova is a human being. It's true. It clearly has that potential. What happens next is that people project the sacred feeling that being alive automatically transfers to our psyche onto that egg. We can't help but identify with the egg. In fact the egg like a piece of skin that could be cloned into a human is no different than a germ on your sink, or a paramecium swimming in your aquarium waiting to become guppy food. What is actually sacred is consciousness and the sense of self, the person who knows that he or she is. People refuse to separate these two pieces of information and always wind up defending the unborn as though they were their own sacred existence. Where this becomes offensive is where one is willing to control somebody else so as to ease your own conscience. We don't have a right to impose our own incapacity to think clearly on women who don't want to be pregnant. Every day we are all probably responsible for the deaths of millions or billions of organisms we are entirely unaware of. One of them certainly could have been a progenitor of an advanced civilization some billion years from now. We are just victims of our imaginations.
There is a discussion to be had about when abortion is no longer appropriate, but it needs to be held with people who can think.
There is noting that appeals to simple-mindedness than the notion that a fertilized ova is a human being. It's true. It clearly has that potential. What happens next is that people project the sacred feeling that being alive automatically transfers to our psyche onto that egg. We can't help but identify with the egg. In fact the egg like a piece of skin that could be cloned into a human is no different than a germ on your sink, or a paramecium swimming in your aquarium waiting to become guppy food. What is actually sacred is consciousness and the sense of self, the person who knows that he or she is. People refuse to separate these two pieces of information and always wind up defending the unborn as though they were their own sacred existence. Where this becomes offensive is where one is willing to control somebody else so as to ease your own conscience. We don't have a right to impose our own incapacity to think clearly on women who don't want to be pregnant. Every day we are all probably responsible for the deaths of millions or billions of organisms we are entirely unaware of. One of them certainly could have been a progenitor of an advanced civilization some billion years from now. We are just victims of our imaginations.
There is a discussion to be had about when abortion is no longer appropriate, but it needs to be held with people who can think.
I'm interested in that last statement, especially in light of a previous statement in that post:
Is this, perhaps, the "point of no return" as it were, to your mind, where "abortion is no longer appropriate?"
The term "abortion survivor" seems odd to me. It seems to me that it refers only to fetuses whom the doctor unsuccessfully attempted to abort. How often does that occur? I don't have the facts but I'm betting on 'not very often'.
And you would be correct. Abortions have gotten more effective (i.e. baby dies) over time. I'm not sure the little girl in question would like being called a botched abortion.
Do a google search for abortion survivor and you will be amazed at the number that have web sites. Fact is, if people can sometimes survive an abortion attempt, then there is more to the ?tissue mass? than there is to an appendix.
And you would be correct. Abortions have gotten more effective (i.e. baby dies) over time. I'm not sure the little girl in question would like being called a botched abortion.
Do a google search for abortion survivor and you will be amazed at the number that have web sites. Fact is, if people can sometimes survive an abortion attempt, then there is more to the ?tissue mass? than there is to an appendix.
Moonie, Moonie, Moonie. Time after time I have clued you in that Gore lost. When can you get over it? Your response to so many threads is now how that Gore won and it is all because the election was stolen from him that bad things happen. Recount after Recount established that Bush was the winner and you can use revisionist history all day long but it doesn't change the fact that Gore lost.
As to Abortion, I have seen the effects close hand because I had a good friend who had one. Abortion is something that I don't feel comfortable with and that is my opinion of the matter. I am not going to get into a debate about whether it is a life or not or in what cases it should be allowed. Frankly that has been discussed ad nausem and the same old information and ideas is just rehased in every single debate. I don't care for abortion and that is my opinion. I don't support anti-abortionists and I don't support abortionist. I prefer to keep my opinion a personal one and let it be left at that.
There is a discussion to be had about when abortion is no longer appropriate, but it needs to be held with people who can think.
The problem with giving much credence to your statement, is that you define "people who can think" as people who agree with you.
The problem with giving much credence to your statement, is that you define "people who can think" as people who agree with you.
If God prevents some abortions from being succesful he apparently wants the other ones to be succesful. Who are you to mess with the will of God? Allow abortions, he'll save whoever he wants to.
Abortion stops a beating heart. By the time a doctor can tell a woman is pregnant, the heart is beating.
The least we can expect is that public money NOT go to abortion clinics!
The least we can expect is that public money NOT go to abortion clinics!
When are they going to propose something really medieval like "Rape/Incest Victim's Unborn Child Protection Act" ?
You laugh, but there are people who think abortion is wrong in all cases, including rape and incest.
They think if a woman is raped, she should be forced to carry the product of this agression for 9 months, as a daily reminder to no "ask for it."
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