Surprise surprise: Israel blocks UN Jenin inquiry.

[Ornery]

"...if someone doesn't blindly support 100%, no matter how despicable, they must be for the other side..."

Have you chosen a side to be on after 9-11? By what percentage are you on the side of the USA? Does our foreign policy leave us 50% to blame? Who is more in the right in the Israel-PLO war? By what margin?

It seems pretty damn black & white obvious who the villian is in both these cases!

 

[Red Dawn]

<< It seems pretty damn black & white obvious who the villian is in both these cases! >>

Great, tell uys something we haven't heard. It's obvious to most of us that the Hamas and Hezbollah are the main culprits in this crisis. Unfortunately the Palestinians hate the Israeli's so much that they will dance with the devil. So what do we do, kill all the Arabs who hate the Israeli's? Do we keep on yelling at the top of our lungs "You you Arabs are the bad guys!!" What fscking good is that going to do?

 

[Ornery]

"...tell uys something we haven't heard."

It is obvious to people with anything at all between their ears, but there's a lot of people saying the blame is equally shared! To them I say BULLSH*T, get a clue! These same people even say the US brought 9-11 on itself due to our foreign policy. Again, either you're for us or against us. There is no middle ground!

 

[Red Dawn]

<< These same people even say the US brought 9-11 on itself due to our foreign policy. Again, either you're for us or against us. There is no middle ground! >>

And those are far and few between here.. unless you want to lump all those who do not totally support Israel's incursion into the Palestinians Towns with them.


Israel isn't the Untied States and their actions aren't always in our best interest. What's in our best interest is some kind of peace there. Of course Israel's existence is also in our best interest. If no peace can be achieved their yopur son who just turned 16 might end up getting his head blown off in a war when he's 18 or 20 because we failed miserably in our attempt to secure a peace there.

 

[Ornery]

I don't see how anybody is supposed to 'strike a deal' with the PLO. First of all, this would be akin to paying ransom or extortion money. It would prove that terrorism works. Second, they are unreasonable. Logic and reason just aren't part of their culture. Their beliefs seem to prohibit them from striking an agreement with Israel.

I feel like we're holding Israel on a leash already. The PLO keep tormenting and act all victimized every time they get bit. I think we're doing our part already, just keeping hold of the leash. If this escalates it won't be Israel's doing. I don't know about you, but I couldn't turn the other cheek if I were being terrorized either.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I don't know about you, but I couldn't turn the other cheek if I were being terrorized either. >>

Fine, it's their cross to bare not ours. Frankly I think we should wash our hands of both sides and go about our business killing Bin Laden and decimating Iraq.

 

[Texmaster]

It IS important to note that the UN is NOT investigating Arafat's role in the sucide bombings.

That is a Critical Issue that once again the EU is not looking at.

The UN is claiming a coverup by Israel in Jenin, which we will all know very soon was BS.

Remember, these same MORONIC papers said American Bombs killed thousands of Afgan civilians. The Source? The Taliban. And until the Red Cross went in and said it wasn't true, those stories ran almost non stop in European newspapers.

Then the Euro papers jumped all over some pictures claiming the US was "torturing" POWs in Cuba. Once again, disproven. This time by Tony Blair himself.

And now the Morons are back at it again claiming a "Massacre" in Jenin. The source? Why the Palestinians.

These papers that write these garbage knee jerk reactions to little or no evidence are the ones you should be questioning.

 

[Red Dawn]

Man I haven't any problem with Israel claiming that Arafat has something to do with these suicide bombs. I also am not about ready to take Euro Trash's word that Israel commited atrocities but damn, Israel looks guilty as sin by refusing to let the UN in to Jenin to investigate. If there is no atrocities commited what the hell are they afraid of? They remind me somewhat of the South African Governments(before aparthied was abolished) reaction everytime the UN wanted to check up on them. What harm can the UN do to them that would be any worse than the harm they are causing themselves by refusing to let them investigatge?

 

[Texmaster]

<< Man I haven't any problem with Israel claiming that Arafat has something to do with these suicide bombs. I also am not about ready to take Euro Trash's word that Israel commited atrocities but damn, Israel looks guilty as sin by refusing to let the UN in to Jenin to investigate. If there is no atrocities commited what the hell are they afraid of? They remind me somewhat of the South African Governments(before aparthied was abolished) reaction everytime the UN wanted to check up on them. What harm can the UN do to them that would be any worse than the harm they are causing themselves by refusing to let them investigatge? >>



I know you dont believe it Red until you get evidence.

But I do believe that Israel has every right to question a pannel sent by a collection of countries that are overwhelmingly for the Palestinians.

Its like asking Democratic districts to count "chads" that would determine the outcome of an election.

 

[WarCon]

I can only see harm in the U.N. investigation. What true purpose does it serve, but to show the rest of the world that the U.N. supports terror.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I can only see harm in the U.N. investigation. What true purpose does it serve, but to show the rest of the world that the U.N. supports terror. >>

Man it sounds as if you are afraid they might find something bad.

 

[Gaard]

<< "...if someone doesn't blindly support 100%, no matter how despicable, they must be for the other side..."

Have you chosen a side to be on after 9-11? By what percentage are you on the side of the USA? Does our foreign policy leave us 50% to blame? Who is more in the right in the Israel-PLO war? By what margin?

It seems pretty damn black & white obvious who the villian is in both these cases! >>



Of course you're free to label whomever you see fit as the villian. That wasn't the point of my post. My point (and I don't see how you could've not comprehended this) was that, no matter who you side with, there's a lot of people here who refuse to admit, or make excuses for, anything and everything done by those whom they support...regardless of how despicable it is.

Let me use this analogy again...for those who supported our involvement in the Vietnam War do you make excuses for the rapes and massacres that we comitted over there?

Edit (before I'm labeled something I'm not): My highschool g/f's brother came home in a bag. My brother-in-law still has shrapnel in his arm. If I had been a little older I would've gone over there.

 

[ConantheBarbarian]

The more the delay from Isreals side the more time they have to clean it up.

<< They did it before and they can do it again. I believe total economic and military aid to Israel is about $3 billion/year. >>

Try 40 Billion a year. They also have NUKES, AIR MISSILE DEFENSE, TANKS, ASSAULT RIFLES all made by US given to our friends the Isreals.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< "...if someone doesn't blindly support 100%, no matter how despicable, they must be for the other side..."

Have you chosen a side to be on after 9-11? By what percentage are you on the side of the USA? Does our foreign policy leave us 50% to blame? Who is more in the right in the Israel-PLO war? By what margin?

It seems pretty damn black & white obvious who the villian is in both these cases! >>



Of course you're free to label whomever you see fit as the villian. That wasn't the point of my post. My point (and I don't see how you could've not comprehended this) was that, no matter who you side with, there's a lot of people here who refuse to admit, or make excuses for, anything and everything done by those whom they support...regardless of how despicable it is.

Let me use this analogy again...for those who supported our involvement in the Vietnam War do you make excuses for the rapes and massacres that we comitted over there? >>



No. Do you excuse the Massacres and sucide bombings the other side committed?

 

[Gaard]

Not one bit.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Not one bit. >>



Good.

But as I have said time and time again, focusing on atrocities committed on either side in the past is absoluitely pointless and will start a never ending list of grievences from both sides.

All I care about is what they are doing Today in the here and now for peace.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< All I care about is what they are doing Today in the here and now for peace. >>

Exactly!!

BTW, Call me Red.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< All I care about is what they are doing Today in the here and now for peace. >>

Exactly!!

BTW, Call me Red. >>



you got it.

 

[Ornery]

"...make excuses for, anything and everything done by those whom they support...regardless of how despicable it is."

What I find despicable is putting blinders on to anything and everything done by the PLO, which is one terrorist act after another, over and over, year after year to focus on one or two arguable hits below the belt by Israel in retaliation, and calling it even.

One topic after another by the far and few between here, that Red mentioned, crying about how unfair Israel is. Completely ignoring the ongoing terrorism... completely! :frown:

 

[Gaard]

<< "...make excuses for, anything and everything done by those whom they support...regardless of how despicable it is."

What I find despicable is putting blinders on to anything and everything done by the PLO, which is one terrorist act after another, over and over, year after year to focus on one or two arguable hits below the belt by Israel in retaliation, and calling it even.

One topic after another by the far and few between here, that Red mentioned, crying about how unfair Israel is. Completely ignoring the ongoing terrorism... completely! >>


I think your entire post here is groundless. What do you propose? Every post be tagged with a "Oh, yeah...and the atrocitries of the terrorists suck!"?

 

[Red Dawn]

Oh, yeah...and the atrocitries of the terrorists suck!

 

[Texmaster]

<< Oh, yeah...and the atrocitries of the terrorists suck! >>



lol

 

[Ornery]

<snicker>

I guess what you're saying is that the PLO is expected to do this crap over and over, so why mention it every time it happens. But if Israel gets too rough (once in a blue moon), we have to drag it out in the light, one topic after another. Sort of a 'man bites dog' kind of thing, eh?

 

[Martin]

<< I guess what you're saying is that the PLO is expected to do this crap over and over, so why mention it every time it happens. But if Israel gets too rough (once in a blue moon), we have to drag it out in the light, one topic after another. Sort of a 'man bites dog' kind of thing, eh? >>




There was a thread on every suicide bombing, so I dont think its fair to say israel is being singled out.



Also, I have yet to see ONE good reason why the UN should be denied. All I've heard was general whining about how much the UN sucks and how much arafat sucks and that the PLO are terrorists. Yet, no one has given a good reason why the world should be denied the truth of whether there was a masacre or no.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< I guess what you're saying is that the PLO is expected to do this crap over and over, so why mention it every time it happens. But if Israel gets too rough (once in a blue moon), we have to drag it out in the light, one topic after another. Sort of a 'man bites dog' kind of thing, eh? >>




There was a thread on every suicide bombing, so I dont think its fair to say israel is being singled out.



Also, I have yet to see ONE good reason why the UN should be denied. All I've heard was general whining about how much the UN sucks and how much arafat sucks and that the PLO are terrorists. Yet, no one has given a good reason why the world should be denied the truth of whether there was a masacre or no. >>



One of the members making statement that it was a massacre and then the same member heading up the International Red Cross denying Israel entry. The ONLY nation in the WORLD that hasn't been allowed in.

I'd say the bias is pretty thick.