Surprise surprise: Israel blocks UN Jenin inquiry.

[Martin]

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<< The Israeli cabinet has told the United Nations not to send a team to investigate what happened during an Israeli military assault on the Palestinian refugee camp of Jenin earlier this month. >>



Yeah, I'm sure they've got nothing to hide.

 

[Kilgor]

Why doesn?t the UN investigate how terrorists were allowed to operate in a UN run camp?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Why do people see the UN as 'good guys'?

 

[BlueApple]

This is starting to remind me of the 2000 election, which is the lesser of the two evils?

 

[Nemesis77]

I had a bad feeling about this when I heard it in the news that Israel wants the right to pick and choose the people who the team can interview...

 

[Bulk Beef]

The UN has already demonstrated who's side they're on here, so this is a well-deserved "Fvck You" from Israel, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Why do people see the UN as 'good guys'? >>

After all they were the assholes that created Israel.

If Israel has nothing to hide then why are they hiding Jenin? They think that we won't be able to tell BS from the Truth?? Obviously because some of you are believihng everything the Israeli's say. Frankly I believe both sides are lying threw their collective fangs.

 

[travler]

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<< Why do people see the UN as 'good guys'? >>

After all they were the assholes that created Israel.

If Israel has nothing to hide then why are they hiding Jenin? They think that we won't be able to tell BS from the Truth?? Obviously because some of you are believihng everything the Israeli's say. Frankly I believe both sides are lying threw their collective fangs. >>



The UN did not create israel check your facts.

The UN is know to be biased and unsuportive of israel. The UN doesnt have a good track record when dealing with such issues.

Israel is right in being suspicious of a group of partisans going to investigate a wild allegation. it stinks of a witch hunt.

 

[etech]

In America, don't the lawyers for each side have the right to reject a certain number of jurors if they are found prejudiced before the trial starts?

Looks like the same thing to me.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< The UN is know to be biased and unsuportive of israel. The UN doesnt have a good track record when dealing with such issues.

Israel is right in being suspicious of a group of partisans going to investigate a wild allegation. it stinks of a witch hunt. >>



There are american military-experts on the team. USA supported the team. The leader of the team has handled tough cases all around the world, and he has no anti-jew viewpoints. He really is neutral on this thing.

And how exactly denying that team access to the camp supposedly helps Israels position? It seems to the resto of the world that they are trying to cover something up.

 

[ThePresence]

<< There are american military-experts on the team. >>



However, Kofi Anan refused Israels request to make a military man a full-fledged member of the team, they are just advisors.



<< This awful United Nations committee is out to get us and is likely to smear Israel and to force us to do things which Israel is not prepared even to hear about, such as interrogating soldiers and officers who took part in the fighting," Rivlin said. "No country in the world would agree to such a thing." Meanwhile, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's cabinet earlier approved a U.S. proposal aimed at ending the month-old siege of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah, Israeli government sources said today.

"Israel won't sit in the place of the accused," Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said before Cabinet deliberations ended. "Israel will sit in the place of the accuser. This is an attempt to place baseless blame, almost a blood libel, on Israel."

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[Red Dawn]

<< In America, don't the lawyers for each side have the right to reject a certain number of jurors if they are found prejudiced before the trial starts?

Looks like the same thing to me.
>>

Yeah right. It looks like Israel has something to hide.




<< The UN did not create israel check your facts. >>

I'm sorry, would you care to enlighten me with the truth?

 

[Gaard]

You know what would be really cool here? If just one of the more vocal Israel supporters here said this was a bad thing. Or at least looked kinda suspicious.

 

[Nemesis77]

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<< There are american military-experts on the team. >>



However, Kofi Anan refused Israels request to make a military man a full-fledged member of the team, they are just advisors. >>



Yes, so? They are still there to tell about the military aspect of the situation. Why should Israel be able to dictate who gets to be in the team? I mean, they wanted to dictate who get's to be on the team, they wanted to dictate what the team can do, they wanted to be able to pick and choose the people the team could interview... All that while they tried to stall the team as much as they could. And now they denied them access. I haven't heard any demands coming from the palestinians though.

As to your quotes.... It's funny, Israel has already decided that the outcome of the examination will be negative towards them, even when the examination hasn't even begun yet! Either they know that whatever happened in the camp would make them look bad or they suffer from severe victim-mentality.

 

[Red Dawn]

It sounds like the Israeli apoligists are afraid that their Champions might not be so innocent.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< You know what would be really cool here? If just one of the more vocal Israel supporters here said this was a bad thing. Or at least looked kinda suspicious. >>





<< "Clearly people died in Jenin - people who were terrorists died in Jenin - and in the prosecution of that battle innocent lives may well have been lost. But I don't know the right answer, I don't know the real answer .

"That's why we thought it was important to get an independent fact-finding group in there. And that's the resolution that we supported in the United Nations last Friday, and the Israeli government also supported that resolution." >>



Source

Said by Colin Powell

 

[Bulk Beef]

<< You know what would be really cool here? If just one of the more vocal Israel supporters here said this was a bad thing. Or at least looked kinda suspicious. >>

I'll concede that Israel has probably not told the whole truth with respect to what happened there, and I'll add that the Palestinians definitely haven't. I'll also concede that some impartial body needs to be allowed in to check it out, but the UN is hardly impartial. Red Cross maybe? I don't know, but not the UN.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< I'll also concede that some impartial body needs to be allowed in to check it out, but the UN is hardly impartial. Red Cross maybe? I don't know, but not the UN. >>



How long 'till the first "Red Cross is biased against Israel"-remards start rolling in?

5...4...3...

 

[ThePresence]

<< there are american military-experts on the team. >>



However, Kofi Anan refused Israels request to make a military man a full-fledged member of the team, they are just advisors.



<< Yes, so? They are still there to tell about the military aspect of the situation. Why should Israel be able to dictate who gets to be in the team? I mean, they wanted to dictate who get's to be on the team, they wanted to dictate what the team can do, they wanted to be able to pick and choose the people the team could interview... All that while they tried to stall the team as much as they could. And now they denied them access. >>



They want people on the team who know what fighting is about. They want people on the team who know what it means to fight terrorists inside a booby trapped city. The former head of the Red Cross ( a group which repeatedly rejected Israel's attempts to join), wont know what it is to fight, is not an expert on war. Dead people might look like a massacre to him, but to a military man it may look like war. So why wont Kofi put them on the team?



<< I haven't heard any demands coming from the palestinians though. >>



Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe the Palestinians fabricated this whole massacre thing, so they dont give a damn who comes to investigate. Israel does.



<< As to your quotes.... It's funny, Israel has already decided that the outcome of the examination will be negative towards them, even when the examination hasn't even begun yet! >>



The UN has an ample history of Anti-Israel decisions. Hell, last year Indian UN soldiers were paid off by Hizballah, and actively participated in the kidnapping of 3 Israeli soldiers. And after the facts were in, and Israel demanded the videotape which these Indian soldiers had taken, and which could have provided clues to their wherebouts, Kofi refused. That is but one example of the way the current UN decideds issues that have to do with Israel.



<< Either they know that whatever happened in the camp would make them look bad or they suffer from severe victim-mentality. >>



Yeah, 3000 years of violent persecution can do that. I'm just curious, where is the UN investigation of all the suicide bombers? Is there any doubt that they commit massacres? Or is this the UN's way of legitimizing the suicide bombing?

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Either they know that whatever happened in the camp would make them look bad or they suffer from severe victim-mentality. >>


I've always thought Palestinians were the ones with the "victim-mentality"

 

[Maetryx]

<< How long 'till the first "Red Cross is biased against Israel"-remards start rolling in? 5...4...3... >>



remards n. retarded remarks

 

[Red Dawn]

Sorry, all your Bullsh!t excuses won't fly. The Red Cross Hates us, the UN Hates US, the EU Hates US, the Whole fscking World Hates us. "Nobody likes us everybody hate guess we'll go eat some worms." Let them in for a look Sharon you bastard. Your apoligists will make excuses for you anyway if you are guilty so what are you worried about?

 

[Gaard]

<< << I haven't heard any demands coming from the palestinians though. >>



Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe the Palestinians fabricated this whole massacre thing, so they dont give a damn who comes to investigate. Israel does. >>



You could be right. That's a possibility. Maybe, though, the Palestinians don't care who investigates because they feel the evidence is too overwhelming to come to any other conclusion other than Israel massacred 100's in Jenin. Is that a possibility, also?

 

[IJump]

Mideast Peace Process History (and everyone knows that everything on the internet is factual )

Everyone hates the US
Most people hate Israel

Every war has things people don't like, committed by every country, that people would rather hide.

 

[ThePresence]

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<< You know what would be really cool here? If just one of the more vocal Israel supporters here said this was a bad thing. Or at least looked kinda suspicious. >>





<< "Clearly people died in Jenin - people who were terrorists died in Jenin - and in the prosecution of that battle innocent lives may well have been lost. But I don't know the right answer, I don't know the real answer .

"That's why we thought it was important to get an independent fact-finding group in there. And that's the resolution that we supported in the United Nations last Friday, and the Israeli government also supported that resolution." >>



Source

Said by Colin Powell >>



US Secretary of State Colin Powell said yesterday he had seen no evidence of a massacre in Jenin refugee camp, but said it was in Israel's interests to permit a UN team to investigate the bloody battle there.

Lets not pick and choose our quotes.