SUPER HOT !!!! "xp 2100+" xp1600+ for $51 from newegg. It's crazy !!!!!!!

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DaveF

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Garyboz,

If the K7S5A would work, would the ECS VIA KT266A work even better (easier to overclock)? I've built (fought) my current system, but am new to overclocking. For the $9 difference?

Also, do you need PC2700 specifically or will PC2100 work (PNY with Samsung TCB0 chips), or does that have anything to do with this?

Thanks- Dave
 

MontyBurns

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The 7VRXP is a rock solid board that delivers excellent performance. AMD chose that board as the one it sent out with tests of the new Tbred 2200+'s. The gigabyte board hasn't had the compatibility/stability problems that have plagued just about every other socket a mfgr.

I've built four systems using the board, and am about to build a fifth. I highly recommend it.
 

garyboz

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Dave if you're new to overclocking then the K7S5A is not for you. I gave the K7S5A as an example because:

1. It's cheap.
2. Has no "Overclocking Features" out of the box.
3. Is reguarded as a piece of junk by a certain section of the computer community. (Hence lowly)

Therefore you don't need some expensive board to overclock.

That said it's a great board if you're into tweaking. It is stable and fast. I have one running Win98 and it hasn't crashed in months. That is not an exageration. There is a large community dedicated to expanding the capabilities of this board. There is no multiplier adjustment on this board without modding the board (soldering dip switches to the board, etc.) But people have modded official bioses to add FSB adjustment.

It is not a beginner board but if you're want to learn and have a lot of free time it could be fun.

As altenatives I'd recommend either the MSI SIS 745 ULTRA for $65 or one of the Shuttle KT266A boards. The MSI is similar to the K7S5A but with a lot more features out of the box. There are a lot of people who have tried the K7S5A and then switched to the MSI. Most of them are very happy.

The Shuttle boards are cheap and have gotten a lot of good reviews. I haven't used the board myself but I have used other Shuttle boards in the parst and they are pretty solid.

Memory is speed rated. PC2100 is guaranteed to run at 133 at whatever CAS rating it is rated for. The lower the CAS rating the better. PC 2700 is guaranteed to run at 166 at whatever CAS rating it is rated for. That means that if you want to run at a 166MHz bus then PC2700 shouldn't give you any trouble. (at least it shouldn't be the memory that's holding you back) You may be able to get PC2100 to run at 166MHz but you'll be overclocking it to do so. It may work or it might not.

If I were you I'd get the MSI board and then see how much you can get out of the Samsungs. They're only rated at 2100 CAS 2.5 but I would give them a shot before I spent $60 to replace them.
 

LoveDoc

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so the xp1600+ with the abit kg7 would work right? i'm a college kid on an extremely tight budget and paying ~$110 for a mobo & cpu would be a sweeet deal for me..
 

NerdMan

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Originally posted by: mike3411
Why is this such a hot deal? Are you people incabable of checking pricewatch or ordering from places other than newegg? After 2 clicks I found 4 other sites that have this for as cheap or cheaper than Newegg.... I don't have anything against newegg, in fact I quite like the site, but the way you people are getting all excited and worrying about them running out of stock is ridiculous....

Okay... since you're so hot, I wanna see you order from Accubyte. Come on. They're one of those companies at the top. What's the matter? You clicked that link and saw the horrifying customer service reports you say? You mean, you'd rather order from Newegg now? Wuss.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
 

DaveF

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Garyboz, Thanks for the info.

So let me see if I get this straight- I can buy a 133 board and with jumper/bios increase the speed to (hopefully) 166X10.5, or buy a 166 board and have it run that speed out of the box? Without un-locking the chip? How does this effect PCI bus speeds (are my cards up to it?)?

I've already ordered the xp1600+ (had credit from a doa 1.2), so I'm stuck needing a mobo and might as well play.

edit: The 128 mb pc2100 I picked up from the Bestbuy deal for $5 AR. I'm definitely cool about trying to run it at 166, if not just to see what one looks like when it fries:0
 

garyboz

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"So let me see if I get this straight- I can buy a 133 board and with jumper/bios increase the speed to (hopefully) 166X10.5"

yes

"or buy a 166 board and have it run that speed out of the box?"

essentially yes. There is still no guarantee that the chip will run at that speed but the motherboard will support it.

" Without un-locking the chip?"

yes

" How does this effect PCI bus speeds (are my cards up to it?)?"

It depends on the board but typically you PCI speed at 166 is 33MHz because the divider changes.
 

stevejst

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So let me see if I get this straight- I can buy a 133 board and with jumper/bios increase the speed to (hopefully) 166X10.5, or buy a 166 board and have it run that speed out of the box? Without un-locking the chip? How does this effect PCI bus speeds (are my cards up to it?)?

Essentially NO (answer on the first question). Most of the motherboards around will not allow you 166 stepping that easy. There are numerous problems that will happen. Some boards are made for overclockers like Epox or Abit but more of them are not. So you have to shop for a proper motherboard. The most likely problem you will have is your PCI bus. Then graphic card (onboard cards just won't do), then the memory (you can use PC2400 or 2700 but PC2100 will most likely have the problems here though quality PC2100 should be able to run 166 but that is exactly where they meet limitation and memory will overheat).

So if you have money to shell to upgrade all the components go ahead. And what for? To be able to use Xp1600 processor? Why not buy Xp1800 or Xp1900 and use your standard components. You need to understand that by doing 166 bus on a 133 motherboard you are forcing all the components do that. Plus all of them will dry your PSU more as well so make sure that is ready as well.

Intel situation is totally different, there are 3 reasons for that. Northwood 1.6A can be overclocked by 900 MHz or even a whole GHz. No AMD CPU can pull such a trick. Second the price difference with Intel CPUs are bigger. Third they are lot easier to cool than AMD CPUs, on average they spend less and have less heat dissipation so the 900 MHz is possible with air cooling. Of course even there you need $30+ cooler.

Running up the motherboard BUS clock to increase AMD CPU speed for 300-400 MHz is not an easy job no matter what this fat brain gboz is talking. The people who did it know that. It will cost you some serious time and money. It is truly ridiculous proposal that you should consider XP 1600 plus perhaps another $100 or more in other expenses so that you can get XP 2000 performance after you pushed all your components to the limit???
Some of the problems you won't see immediately, that will happen later once you use your PC at the limit you thought you have. Like crashes and so on.

If you want to use XP1600 buy KT333 board. Even then you might ask yourself a question what the hell was I buying XP1600 when I could get a better CPU.

By the way Kingmax 256 PC2700 chip will cost you about $80 (consider shipping too), Crucial PC2100 is $50 at Best Buy the last time I checked, PNY with Samsung was $50-$20MIR = $30. That $30-50 for one and $60-100 for two. Not exactly that little, at least not for me. Plus Kingmax is not a proper match for Crucial or Samsung brand and the resellers you'll have to buy Kingmax from are mostly the ones with lousy reseller evaluations.

 

stevejst

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I think people in this thread have significant misunderstanding by comparing Intel Northwood 1.6A with AMD CPUs.
No AMD CPU, AGOIA 1600 included, can compare itself to Intel Northwood 1.6 abilities to overclock, they don't come even remotely close to that. However, Intel costs quite a bit more and motherboards cost more as well.
Plus overclockers have a "natural" tendency to exaggerate and boast, I guess. Don't believe all the tales you hear, many of them are nothing but fable. If you are buying CPU just to overclock you should be aware of these kinds of tales else you are going to fall for all the silly fads they have been into.
 

garyboz

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stevejst, I've refuted everything you've said on a line by line basis. Unless you're willing to address those points nobody is going to listen to anything you have to say.

Notice, people have not said "Hey Steve, how do I do this?" They've said "Gary, how do I do this?" I'd tell you to draw you're own conclusion from this but you haven't demonstrated that you're able to draw a conclusion.

Dave asked, Can I buy a 133 board and try to overclock it to 166"(hopefully)". Or buy a 166 board and get it to run 166 out of the box. The answer to that question is yes.

Nobody is comparing Intel Northwood 1.6A with AMD CPUs except you.
 

DaHan

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Originally posted by: DaveF
Garyboz, Thanks for the info.

So let me see if I get this straight- I can buy a 133 board and with jumper/bios increase the speed to (hopefully) 166X10.5, or buy a 166 board and have it run that speed out of the box? Without un-locking the chip? How does this effect PCI bus speeds (are my cards up to it?)?

edit: The 128 mb pc2100 I picked up from the Bestbuy deal for $5 AR. I'm definitely cool about trying to run it at 166, if not just to see what one looks like when it fries:0

If you want to make sure about 166, you can get 8k3a+ refb from newegg for $66 like I did. If you use that motherboard, you PCI/AGP still have old speed, so don't worry. Not sure about GA-7VRXP. I am using the BB 128M now, it's totally stable at 166 - you can set your memory at 133 or 166 in 8k3a+. However, there're different memory from BB. optima stick/CTML stick should be no problem at all.

I should have it today, and I will let you guys how GOOD this CPU is.


 

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Originally posted by: stevejst
I think people in this thread have significant misunderstanding by comparing Intel Northwood 1.6A with AMD CPUs.
No AMD CPU, AGOIA 1600 included, can compare itself to Intel Northwood 1.6 abilities to overclock, they don't come even remotely close to that. However, Intel costs quite a bit more and motherboards cost more as well.
Plus overclockers have a "natural" tendency to exaggerate and boast, I guess. Don't believe all the tales you hear, many of them are nothing but fable. If you are buying CPU just to overclock you should be aware of these kinds of tales else you are going to fall for all the silly fads they have been into.

this guy is just a fountain of narrow-minded, short-sided, and in-looking knowledge. i bet he likes to hear himself talk. focus of everyone's attention ALL the time. it seems listening skills are not his forte to say the least. it hard to listen when you are always right i guess. FSB -- hell who needs it? Let's all run our cpus at 66mhz again.....

and i guess he's probably right - we are all just a bunch of stupid, uneducated, mindless overclocking liars ;) eh? that just about sums it up right steve?



dew.

 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: stevejst
I think people in this thread have significant misunderstanding by comparing Intel Northwood 1.6A with AMD CPUs.
No AMD CPU, AGOIA 1600 included, can compare itself to Intel Northwood 1.6 abilities to overclock, they don't come even remotely close to that. However, Intel costs quite a bit more and motherboards cost more as well.
Plus overclockers have a "natural" tendency to exaggerate and boast, I guess. Don't believe all the tales you hear, many of them are nothing but fable. If you are buying CPU just to overclock you should be aware of these kinds of tales else you are going to fall for all the silly fads they have been into.

Tell that to all these people:
http://overclockers.cssftware.com/cpudb/index.cfm
Overclockers Database
Select Palomino XP 1600
Then hit ok, and see how many "wives tales" there are about the AGOIA stepping. Steve, if your Intel biased, don't crap on an AMD thread.
 

RobsTV

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And let's not forget that a Northwood 1.6A is a fine CPU.
It overclocks great, with some hitting 2.4GHz, or XP2100+ performance range.
But, since many XP1600+ CPU's also hit XP2100+ speeds (1.73GHz), (actually XP1600+ is much faster due to increased FSB),
those $67 chips do compare nicely to Northwood's.

Too bad the Northwood won't fit into my $59 (delivered) 8kha+ motherboard. ;) ;) and work with my $6 HSF, to get XP2200+ speeds!!!!

 

rlc

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damn, i can't help myself but to order one from newegg.... can you guys confirm the stepping you are getting? anyone else order those 1600+ from elsewhere? like tcwo...etc? post your result

thanks!
 

PC911mickster

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All you folks getting this deal from NewEgg...if you're happy with their service(NewEgg), send'em an email letting their customer service folks know how happy ya are and you'll get back a box of freebies from 'em. NewEgg Roxx!
I've actually received 3 boxes over the last 5 or 6 weeks from emails resulting from deals like this one at NewEgg.
 

phillerup

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So if I were to buy the Gigabyte GA-7VRXP and the XP1600+ what would everyone suggets for ram/case/cooling? I'd like to overclock if its easy enough to do. Would it need to be "unlocked"
Thanks guys
 

davidos

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I should be getting my chip today and will post the stepping. Newegg couldn't let me know the revision of the Gigabyte mobo so I held off on that.
 

neovan

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I got my XP1600+ chip yesterday from Newegg and the stepping on it was AGOGA.
I also bought a KX7-333R refurbed mobo from them. Everything is working fine and I've got this baby up to 1.63Ghz.
I am using a Alpha 8045 CPU cooler with my DDR PC2100 from Crucial. I'm gonna try to push it even further today because I was too tired yesterday night and just wanted a stable computer. :)
 

Refresh

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I got the Shuttle AK35GT2 Motherboard...any comment on how clockable this board is compare to the Abit KX7-333, MSI KT3 ULTRA, and Gigabyte GA-7VRX V.2.0? Thanks for any information.
 

neovan

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Originally posted by: Refresh
I got the Shuttle AK35GT2 Motherboard...any comment on how clockable this board is compare to the Abit KX7-333, MSI KT3 ULTRA, and Gigabyte GA-7VRX V.2.0? Thanks for any information.

Here is a REVIEW on the AK35GT2 ...it seems very overclockable. Remember...GOOGLE is your friend
 

Refresh

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Thanks neovan,

Thanks for the link! Let me know how well those crucial 2100 DDR ram Overclock since I might keep mines if it does its job...if not...I'm selling it back and grabbing 2700. I read earlier that PC2400-PC2700 are the ones to get if you want to max out on this CPU. =)
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: neovan
I got my XP1600+ chip yesterday from Newegg and the stepping on it was AGOGA.
I also bought a KX7-333R refurbed mobo from them. Everything is working fine and I've got this baby up to 1.63Ghz.
I am using a Alpha 8045 CPU cooler with my DDR PC2100 from Crucial. I'm gonna try to push it even further today because I was too tired yesterday night and just wanted a stable computer. :)

It was AGOGA? So does that mean Newegg caught on to the recent buying, is weeding out all the AGOIA's, and is gonna start selling em seperately? They've sold certain steppings for premiums in the past...
 

PHiuR

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do you need to do anything special to overclock these XP1600? ... or is it just like the 1.6A? just bump up the fsb? ? thanks
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: PHiuR
do you need to do anything special to overclock these XP1600? ... or is it just like the 1.6A? just bump up the fsb? ? thanks

The AGOIA stepping normally works very well on the KT333 platform. Its not too uncommon to have the XP1600+ AGOIA running at 166mhz fsb on the KT333, and to do that you'd need either PC2700 or PC2100/PC2400 that overclocks pretty well. If you're going on a KT266A chipset, then you can't really expect to get up to 166mhz FSB (although it does happen, it may not necessarily be the CPU or memory limiting you at the lower speed, but the dividers etc causing the system to crap out) so a good stick of PC2100 (Crucial usually does around 150 on average) or a stick of PC2400 would suffice. The heatsink people were talking about in the last 2 pages does a pretty damn good job for the cost (6$). If you want to overclock the XP1600 to the extreme, you'll need to unlock it just like any other XP, and theres plenty of guides/posts on that.