SUPER HOT !!!! "xp 2100+" xp1600+ for $51 from newegg. It's crazy !!!!!!!

[stevejst]

1600 the same as 1900? Are you people nuts? Cooling with $6 while overclocking 400 MHz? Yeah, right.
You know it might depend on the ventilation in the case because the temperature of the surrounding air is MORE important than the cooler itself. That temperature can be 90F and 50F while the difference between stock and OC cooler might be not more than 20F.
But to use $6 SVC cooler for 400MHz OC is not very smart. Going over 50C with XP1600 is not bad but not desirable as far I am concerned.

And AGOIA or non-AGOIA there is no way that XP1600 can compete with overclocked XP1900, that is just plain phony.
Downgrading 1800 so you can overclock 1600 is ridiculous, you might want to check your setup or CPUs, perhaps there is something wrong with them.
If you don't see the difference in performance between 1600 and 1900 then you can use Duron Morgan just as well, what the heck you need Athlon for?

Another thing, TCWO always had and still does have better prices on AMD CPUs than newegg, I thought that was very well known. They also have very good reputation and you are pretty safe ordering from them. Their packaging of CPU is also superior and the delivery is safer than the one newegg uses. I have purchased from both and I have never anything to return to TCWO. That was not the case with newegg though newegg has superb customer service to be honest. Of course EconoPC and Accubyte are different story.
To the guy that is complaining about the price drop in TCWO - think about that, they have no reason to offer a better price to you once you purchased. What is the limit? The prices are going down all the time, once you purchased thats it. If they want to cut you some slack that is entirely up to them, you have nothing to complain really. By the way, how cheap you have to be to berate somebody for $5? If I am a dealer and sell AMD, I wouldn't give the discount either because if you are feeling so much pain for $5 then you are not much of a customer either. And it is a principle in question - purchase is a purchase, cancel it and you get charged restocking exactly for the reason of price drop.
Amazingly, some people expect dealers to take a hit and loose money but that is not what they are working for.

 

[BigJ]

And AGOIA or non-AGOIA there is no way that XP1600 can compete with overclocked XP1900, that is just plain phony.
Downgrading 1800 so you can overclock 1600 is ridiculous, you might want to check your setup or CPUs, perhaps there is something wrong with them.
If you don't see the difference in performance between 1600 and 1900 then you can use Duron Morgan just as well, what the heck you need Athlon for?

I don't think you quite understand the enthuiasts view on this situation. If I'm an overclocker, and I bought an XP1800+ or 1900+ that will only go up to say 1.7ghz on an overclock due to chip limitations, why is it so wrong to "down-grade" to a lower CPU speed with a stepping thats known for having tons of headroom with it not being uncommon to get to 1.8ghz, hopefully overclock it to 1.8ghz, and get better performance then either of the previous CPUs one had. And compare the two chips, say a 1900+ and the 1600+ both overclocked to 1.8ghz. The 1900+ is only going to have a FSB of 150mhz, compared to the 1600+'s FSB of 166mhz (fully utilizing the PC2700 memory). In all the benchmarks and comparisons I've seen about processors and overclocking, higher FSB = better performance.

Another thing, TCWO always had and still does have better prices on AMD CPUs than newegg, I thought that was very well known. They also have very good reputation and you are pretty safe ordering from them. Of course EconoPC and Accubyte are different story.
To the guy that is complaining about the price drop in TCWO - think about that, they have no reason to offer a better price to you once you purchased. What is the limit? The prices are going down all the time, once you purchased thats it. If they want to cut you some slack that is entirely up to them, you have really nothing to complain.

TCWO also isn't verified yet on carrying the AGOIA or AROIA cores (for the 1600+). Thats one of the man reasons why this deal is so hot. It would help if anyone who ordered from TCWO did verify it, but so far nothing.

 

[stevejst]

Complaining about OC abilities of processor are not necessarily always due to CPU. There is a lot of limitation to PCI bus, PSU, graphic card, memory etc that can easily impede OC.
My understanding is that AGOIA works particularly well on 166 bus mobos. I do not pretend to know why but I am sure that with a proper equipment (PC parts) you can easily get Athlon XP1900 or even 1800 to run just as well or better.
And you know two different Athlon XP 1800s will overclock differently, that is funny but true. That is why you see some CPUs "refurbished" i.e. returned to newegg. Somebody tried and was not very happy with OC.

 

[BigJ]

Thats why I said, in the case that you are limited due to chip limitations. Sometimes the chip itself just won't go any higher, even though all your settings are tweaked, and you have the proper equipment. Just a question, do you overclock?

EDIT: Seeing Steve's Response

Then do you remember the case with the P4 1.6A chips, with them easily obtaining the higher speeds (not necessarily higher speeds in general) then their 1.8A counterparts? And them also outperforming their 1.8A brothers at the same speeds due to the higher FSB resulting in better performance.

Also, the old celeron's is another classic example.

And now, the low end XPs are yielding great overclocks.

 

[stevejst]

I have a total of 13 PCs, 2 with Athlons. Both Athlons are mildly overclocked, not unlocked. Two of my Durons are "severely" overclocked.

 

[garyboz]

stevejst have you ever read anything on Anandtech before? You show a complete lack of basic computer knowledge. Please start in the FAQ section, read EVERYTHING and then come back.

 

[davidos]

Does anyone know what version # the refurbished Gigabyte GA-7VRXP is?? because the ones before ver. 2.0 are supposed to have trouble with GeForce 4s and I remember reading that a bunch of people had other problems as well.

 

[stevejst]

Garyboz, I actually checked few posts you made on this forum, they are all so full of "basic computer knowledge" from reading of tech articles. You are apparently a regular insult comedian here, aren't you?
Please bother answering, I am just waiting to read.

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: stevejst
1600 the same as 1900? Are you people nuts? Cooling with $6 while overclocking 400 MHz? Yeah, right.
You know it might depend on the ventilation in the case because the temperature of the surrounding air is MORE important than the cooler itself. That temperature can be 90F and 50F while the difference between stock and OC cooler might be not more than 20F.
But to use $6 SVC cooler for 400MHz OC is not very smart. Going over 50C with XP1600 is not bad but not desirable as far I am concerned. My XP1700 runs 41-46C mildly overclocked.

Huh????
You may not be too up to date on AMD's.
Running an XP1600+ at XP1900+ speeds is an increase of 200MHz, (1400MHz Vs. 1600MHz) not 400MHz.
That is overclocking by a whopping 15%!!!!
If you do like many, and do overclock that XP1600+ 400MHz, it would be running at XP2200+ speed (1800MHz).
AMD's have always been known as great overclockers, and 15% is nothing.
Factory margins for error are 10% to 20%.
Previous AMD's easily overclocked 30% to 50%, using stock cooling.

And since when did price have anything to do with anything AMD related?
As proven by AMD's low cost for high performance, why can't others make a low cost HSF that retains high performance?
Point is they can and did.
Try it before you dis it
Or simply read the reviews and see that the $5 HSF mentioned outperforms $40 HSF's.

As to CPU's overclocking equally, whether it's an XP1600+ or an XP1900+, that is pure bull.
When you have a running system, and can hit 192MHz fsb, or (171MHz 1:1), you've eliminated such things
as PCI or AGP cards from the equation, and then you change nothing but the CPU and Bios settings, and
can reach a much higher speed, that is the only way you know that one CPU overclocks higher. Now too
confirm that this is not a fluke, you try this with a dozen of each type of CPU. It helps when you sell a ton
of systems, and have the parts handy. After testing, it is a proven FACT that most XP1600+ CPU's can be
overclocked higher than most XP1700+, XP1800+, and XP1900+ CPU's.

 

[stevejst]

400MHz is a reference on your claim of running 1.4 MHz CPU at 1.8 MHz with a $10 cooler:

Actually the opposite holds true in most cases. The majority of XP1600+ CPU's overclock higher than most XP1700+ and 1800+ CPU's.
Most "locked" XP1600+ easily hit 1670MHz, or XP2000+ speeds simply by increasing FSB to 160MHz from 133MHz, using cheap air cooling.

I have now "upgraded" twice, first from XP1700+ to XP1600+, and then again from XP1800+ to XP1600+ , with Epox 8kha+ KT266A board.
Using $10 air cooling HSF, and both XP1600+ CPU's run stable at 171MHz, (XP2200+) but at stock voltage, everyday speed is set to 166x10.5.
XP1700+ couldn't hit 1600MHz, and XP1800+ couldn't hit 1650MHz. All CPU's were unlocked.

171x10.5=1800 MHz

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: stevejst
400MHz is a reference on your claim of running 1.4 MHz CPU at 1.8+ MHz with a $6 cooler from SVC. I just don't believe it, that is all.

You can not mix and match numbers to suit your needs.
Talk about XP rated speeds of XP1600+ to XP1900+ of 300MHz, or talk about true speed of 1400MHz Vs 1600MHz at an incease of 200MHz.
Nowhere will you see 400MHz increase.
Note that when using true speed, the (+) is omitted.


How good is the XP1600+?
Check this out from an Epox factory rep.
AGOIA XP1600+ quite a chip
Stock voltage and no problem hitting 1800MHz (XP2200+). Stock or low voltage also is the reason why cooling needs are less.
As an official factory Epox rep, he must be careful of making statements about products, so to come out and say this does mean something.

 

[stevejst]

OK, I corrected, this is your claim again:

Actually the opposite holds true in most cases. The majority of XP1600+ CPU's overclock higher than most XP1700+ and 1800+ CPU's.
Most "locked" XP1600+ easily hit 1670MHz, or XP2000+ speeds simply by increasing FSB to 160MHz from 133MHz, using cheap air cooling.

I have now "upgraded" twice, first from XP1700+ to XP1600+, and then again from XP1800+ to XP1600+ , with Epox 8kha+ KT266A board.
Using $10 air cooling HSF, and both XP1600+ CPU's run stable at 171MHz, (XP2200+) but at stock voltage, everyday speed is set to 166x10.5.
XP1700+ couldn't hit 1600MHz, and XP1800+ couldn't hit 1650MHz. All CPU's were unlocked.

You are claiming to run 280 MHz overclocking(160x10.5 - 1400 = 280) with $6 cooler and 400 MHz overclocking with $10 cooler. I say that is bogus as far as Athlon XP is concerned. The case of Intel 1.6A Northwood is a different story but they require less cooling to start with.
You can perhaps do that for a short period of time while posting/booting but very soon the temperature will go high enough to crash the system.
Perhaps you forgot that you installed much faster fan on that $6 cooler (then it is not $6 any more) than that 38CFM that came originally.

 

[RobsTV]

Actually, the HSF was $10, and is now about $5. Same HSF.
If it makes you feel better, I'll "say" I spent $40 on it, O.K?
Then look at the comparison chart for "my $40" HSF in above review, and you will see that it
compares as well as the other $40 HSF's under severe load. Or spend the $5 and see for yourself.

edited for reply to below without bumping back to top

Originally posted by: stevejst
And let me reiterate one more time:
Whoever is saying that XP 1600 is better deal than XP 1900 or even XP 1800 is talking rubbish.
AGOIA is good to use in KT333 boards but make sure to understand you need more expensive setup for that overclocking.
XP1900 can easily match that in any standard setup, XP1800 as well if you pay a little more for cooling.

Just to add fuel to your doubting ways, the overclocking results are done with Epox 8kha+, a KT266A board.
Nothing expensive added.
Also tested with Epox 8k3a (non-raid version), but at 171MHz, the 8kha+ scored a little faster.
Again, that too has been confirmed by most 8kha+ owners in Epox forums.

Out of the 7 unlocked XP1900+'s tested here, none would go as high as XP1600+ could, and best maxed out at around 1740MHz,
or near XP2100+ speeds. Didn't do the voltage mod to 8kha+, so was limited to 1.85v with the XP1900+'s.

BTW, that is correct about 171MHz x 10.5 (1800MHz, XP2200+) running too hot for extended time with the SVC GC68,
as core needed to be bumped up to 1.85v. That was why everyday speed was lowered to 166x10.5, as default core could be used.

Just looked at that place that sells those crap $6 HSF's, and they happen to list only 1 CPU on there main page.
Click on it, and it takes you here

 

[stevejst]

Listen, I am not acussing you of anything. OC people are like fishermen (myself included), there are many fairy tales. What I am saying that whoever wants to buy XP 1600 and then overclock it (without unlocking) for 300-400MHz should not expect that will go easy. There will be a lots of crashes before you figure out what other things you need and once you do, your wallet will be slimer without you even notice like everyone that overclock PC as a labour of love.
I also used TI-V77L cooler with original fan (3500 RPM?) and then I mounted another one with 6000 RPM, believe me there is a serious difference, but the fan itself was more than $10, if I can only remember exactly. That SVC $6 cooler looks very much like TI cooler only without copper core so I doubt that can do very good job with 38CFM fan in any sort of overclocking. I certainly wouldn't dare.

Corrected, I am just looking at this, it is actually 32CFM fan. That is as much as 80cm case fan can do? You gotta be kidding, there is no way this can be used for overclocking. The first thing you'd do here is immediately replace the fan. Heatsink doesn't look good either to me. No way I'd put that on an overclocked AMD CPU, that is a recipe for a pancake.

 

[garyboz]

stevejst, you're only showing your ignorance. You make statements such as:

" 1600 the same as 1900? Are you people nuts? Cooling with $6 while overclocking 400 MHz? Yeah, right."

A 1600 runs at 1400MHz. A 1900 Runs at 1600MHz If you can get a 1600 to run at a 166MHz FSB (as you said it could) then your 1600 is running at 1743MHz. This will smoke a 1900(1600 actual MHz). You could make an arguement that you should be able to overclock a 1900 further but you don't provide any evidence for that and there is the extra cost involved. $47

"But to use $6 SVC cooler for 400MHz OC is not very smart."

What does it matter what you pay for a cooler if it works? I just did a search for the $6 fan and I found THIS:
It shows the $6 fan coming in just behind the Thermalright AX-7 which is a respectable fan that costs $28. They added a Delta to it but that only costs about $4 to $5 Which would you buy?

"And AGOIA or non-AGOIA there is no way that XP1600 can compete with overclocked XP1900, that is just plain phony."

Where is your evidence for this? I'm not even saying that you're wrong. If you're using the logic that both processors should be able to be overclocked by a certain amount than you're showing you have no idea how processors are manufactured or how steppings work, etc. Do some research, read a FAQ, learn how things work before you open your mouth and show everyone you don't know what you're talking about.

"Downgrading 1800 so you can overclock 1600 is ridiculous"

Why pay an extra $20 if both will perform silmilarly? If you like to waste money than I can arrange it so you can paypal me some money.

"I do not pretend to know why...."

This one doesn't really need an explanation. I try to explain things in simple language so that even people like you can understand. If you want me to use big words when explaining things to newbies I can but it defeats the purpose.

 

[stevejst]

XP 1600 running at 1743 OK. But overclock XP1900 on a bus with 150 MHz and you got 1800 MHz. That is faster, not?
And overclocking XP1900 to bus with 150 MHz is not a big deal, most of standard setups will do.
Overclocking XP 1600 to 166 bus you apparently need first memory that is at least PC2400, or PC2700. Check the prices. Unless you unlocked the multiplier. But that is not the case in 10.5, right?
What kind of motherboard you need, apparently KT333 right? For one I know, you will not be overclocking AMD761 to 166, KT266A can take it, depending on manufacturer, but then you better have cooling, graphic and PSU to go with that.

What do you know?

 

[stevejst]

And let me reiterate one more time:
Whoever is saying that XP 1600 is better deal than XP 1900 or even XP 1800 is talking rubbish.
AGOIA is good to use in KT333 boards but make sure to understand you need more expensive setup for that overclocking.
XP1900 can easily match that in any standard setup, XP1800 as well if you pay a little more for cooling.

Just think about that - $66 can give you performance better than $110? Yup, perhaps enhanced with marijuana.

And you busyboy, stop judging who knows what, you know the best it is not hard to be an idiot on Internet.

 

[garyboz]

Believe it or not stevejst I'm trying to help you "see the light".

"XP 1600 running at 1743 OK. But overclock XP1900 on a bus with 150 MHz and you got 1800 MHz. That is faster, not?"

Not. Your 1743MHz cpu has a faster memory bus than your 1800MHz. 166 vs 150. Although the 1743MHz cpu is 57MHz slower it has faster memory and computers are starved for memory bandwith. It will vary by application but in some applications the 1743MHz cpu WILL BE FASTER THAN THE 1800MHz cpu.

"And overclocking XP1900 to bus with 150 MHz is not a big deal, most of standard setups will do."

150MHz is well beyond the PC2100 spec. That's a relatively large overclock for PC2100 at CAS2. 150MHz is actually PC2400.

"Overclocking XP 1600 to 166 bus you apparently need first memory that is at least PC2400, or PC2700. Check the prices."

Having fast memory will help you overclock more but faster memory isn't that much more expensive.
Kingmax 256MB PC2100 - $65 , PC2400 - $69, PC3200 - $80 <- thats 200MHz by the way. The few extra dollars the faster memory costs could easily be offset by not wasting money on an artificially expensive fan.

"Unless you unlocked the multiplier. But that is not the case in 10.5, right?"

Wrong, you don't need to unlock the multiplier to overclock the FSB.

"What kind of motherboard you need, apparently KT333 right? For one I know, you will not be overclocking AMD761 to 166, KT266A can take it, depending on manufacturer, but then you better have cooling, graphic and PSU to go with that."

You just need a motherboard that supports 166MHz FSB. Most don't support it "officially" that's why it's called overclocking. Most motherboards support this. Even the lowly ECS K7S5A that costs $55.

"And let me reiterate one more time:
Whoever is saying that XP 1600 is better deal than XP 1900 or even XP 1800 is talking rubbish."

Please reread the above and try to understand.

"AGOIA is good to use in KT333 boards but make sure to understand you need more expensive setup for that overclocking."

Actually I've refuted that several times.

"Just think about that - $66 can give you performance better than $110?"

Yes. Why are you so hung up on this? Did you get ripped off and are having trouble dealing with that?

"And you busyboy, stop judging who knows what, you know the best it is not hard to be an idiot on Internet. "

You're demonstrating that quite effectively.

 

[BigJ]

Aight I think theres enough of the rubbish going on now, this is a hot deal to people (and it doesnt have to be all people), so can we stop the thread crapping ::cough::steve::cough and just let people enjoy?

 

[Alterac000]

FYI, it's now back down to $67 free shipping.

 

[cheapgoose]

let's heard some reviews of this board?

ppl over at oc doesn't seem to like it that much

 

[Anjing]

The board Gigabyte GA-7VRXP? Avoid it like a plague.

Tom's Hardware did a review on KT333 boards and recommended that board as the top choice. People started buying it and found out it's a POS, mainly the board has power issues which makes it unstable. There are many posts on Newegg if you hit the m/b's Read Review button. There's also many posts about this m/b to be read at Amdmb Gigabyte board forum.

 

[MowSow]

Good deal !

 

[Oakenfold]

The board Gigabyte GA-7VRXP? Avoid it like a plague.

Not true, at first I was worried about this board while reading over @ amdmb.com

I have personally owned and tested 6 boards, one of which had a bad ethernet port.
These are smoking boards, suggest that you get a 2.0 revision when they have them in.
The rev 1.1's are all that I have had and they all run like champs. The number of posts over @ amdmb.com does still make
me concerned but I wonder how many of them have the incorrect bios settings.
Oh and I forgot to mention
I'm typing on one right now, on a 1900xp
I've had ti 4200/4400/4600 run in this rig with NO problem.
All those people complaining about the FSB and the AGP bus, I have no clue about.
Runs solid, haven't tried OC'ing it so I can't say anything about that department.

 

[ShinSa]

The $6 heatsink stevejst is referring to is the infamous GC68 which has been praised time and time again by anandtechers over at cases & cooling section.

Rating a heatsink based on its price is not only ridiculous but ignorant.
GC68 was selling for $18 3 month ago if it makes you feel better.
Even then, people were praising it as the heatsink that outperformed Thermaltake Volcano 7 in terms of temperature AND noise level.
In fact it performed so well, otheres were comparing it to an Alpha 8940, the god of socket A heatsink at that time.
Now the price of the GC68 has droped to an incredible $6 and you are bashing it cuz its too cheap.

stevejst, just hop on over there and do a search for GC68 over at CASES & COOLING and you might be surprised at how well it performs for a heatsink that costs $6.
if your too lazy to even do that, I've pasted a copy of a review of the so called $6 heatsink you've put down.
GC68 ain't no fairy tale. It's a hard proven fact that some research pays off.

Wow! Talk about breathing life into Aluminum coolers. The GC68 proved that Aluminum coolers, if made right can still trounce Copper coolers. For the incredibly low price of under $20 including two fans, the GC68 is a steal, and without a shadow of doubt, the overall greatest value in the roundup. When paired with a high-speed fan, the unit is neck-and-neck with ThermalRight's AX-7, and when paired with a silent fan, allows you to work in peace. Excellent offering from SVC, and proof that construction tweaks can always help drop temperatures by a few degrees.

SVC completely took me aback. I still cannot believe how well the GC68, and for that matter, the Golden Gate performed. They are excellent cooling solutions, and I absolutely cannot wait until SVC releases their follow-up to the GC68 (which, we've been told by SVC, will be fortified with Copper, and a friendly clip).