Stupid: Fred Taylor to retire as Jaguar

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MotionMan

MotionMan

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AMDZen said:
Didn't I already make this argument ....

Why .... yes I did. He also would rather see Joe Montana as a chief
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MotionMan said:
Why? Do league rules require that he retire "with" or "from" a certain team?
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MotionMan said:
So it is a league rule that bona-fide stars have to retire with a team. Link?
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MotionMan said:
Before these "retiring as a <team>" things, teams could not retire the numbers of players who left the team?
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MotionMan said:
Are you saying that if Joe Montana did not sign a 1-day contract with the 49ers so he could "retire as a 49er", the 49ers could not have retired his number or honor him on the field?

Really? Someone better tell Hugh McElhenny.
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I can only assume that you are acting like a complete idiot on purpose to piss me off because someone cannot possibly be as stupid as you sound in this and the other thread.

In any event, I am not pissed off. I am having fun with this subject. Please continue.

MotionMan
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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MotionMan said:
WTF are you talking about? First of all, he WAS a Raider (and a 49er and a Seahawk). Second, under your logic, he would have been enshrined as a Seahawk. Third, you are not enshrined in the NFL HOF with a team logo on your bust.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

MotionMan
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sorry, not as familiar with NFL HoF. I know that it matters in baseball.

so they don't "officially enshrine" you with an associated team in the NFL?


I don't know...I just don't see this as that big of a deal. I don't doubt your attachment and loyalty to the niners, of course (you like to remind us every couple of months that you were in Candlestick for "the catch" :)), but I imagine that many more Niners fans were happy that Rice "retired" as a 49er.
 
KeithTalent

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He should be able to retire with whichever team he chooses. Who cares what you or I think, he's the one that played and we cannot gauge his emotional attachment to a particular team.

KT
 
MotionMan

MotionMan

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zinfamous said:
sorry, not as familiar with NFL HoF. I know that it matters in baseball.

so they don't "officially enshrine" you with an associated team in the NFL?
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No, so keep your ignorant self out of things you know nothing about.


I don't know...I just don't see this as that big of a deal. I don't doubt your attachment and loyalty to the niners, of course (you like to remind us every couple of months that you were in Candlestick for "the catch" :)), but I imagine that many more Niners fans were happy that Rice "retired" as a 49er.
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I do not see it as a big deal, either. I never said it was a big deal. I just said I thought it was stupid and wondered where it all started. Then someone with clear mommy issues came in here a decided to make a big deal out of it, even demanding that a poll be created for the lone purpose of embarrassing me.

Mike Ditka, the Cowboys tight end, and Bob Hayes, the 49ers wide receiver, would never have stood for this in their day!

MotionMan (<--- Was at "The Catch" in 1982.)
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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MotionMan said:
No, so keep your ignorant self out of things you know nothing about.




I do not see it as a big deal, either. I never said it was a big deal. I just said I thought it was stupid and wondered where it all started. Then someone with clear mommy issues came in here a decided to make a big deal out of it, even demanding that a poll be created for the lone purpose of embarrassing me.

Mike Ditka, the Cowboys tight end, and Bob Hayes, the 49ers wide receiver, would never have stood for this in their day!

MotionMan (<--- Was at "The Catch" in 1982.)
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Who pissed in your grits this morning?

All I was asking was if it actually mattered for the NFL HoF. Apparently it doesn't? You still haven't mentioned that.

it seems 100% reasonable in MLB because you are enshrined with the team of your choosing.

If it were the same in NFL, I guess you would have to accept that Rice retired with the Seahawks, no? But then, I guess you wouldn't be griping about this?
 
MotionMan

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zinfamous said:
Who pissed in your grits this morning?
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There was a big lump of ignorance and indignance in my grits, thanks to you. In fact, the fact that you would take a shot at me without knowing what you were talking about is the only thing about this thread that bothered me in the slightest.

All I was asking was if it actually mattered for the NFL HoF. Apparently it doesn't? You still haven't mentioned that.

it seems 100% reasonable in MLB because you are enshrined with the team of your choosing.

If it were the same in NFL, I guess you would have to accept that Rice retired with the Seahawks, no? But then, I guess you wouldn't be griping about this?
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That could be part of the reason why it is so stupid to retire "from" a certain team. On your official record, you were not part of that team at that time. It does not show up on your record. When Taylor is enshrined, his record will read:

Jacksonville Jaguars (1998–2008)
New England Patriots (2009–2010)

It will not include:

Jacksonville Jaguars (2011)

Check out Joe Montana and Jerry Rice's HOF profiles for confirmation.

MotionMan
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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MotionMan said:
There was a big lump of ignorance and indignance in my grits, thanks to you. In fact, the fact that you would take a shot at me without knowing what you were talking about is the only thing about this thread that bothered me in the slightest.



That could be part of the reason why it is so stupid to retire "from" a certain team. On your official record, you were not part of that team at that time. It does not show up on your record. When Taylor is enshrined, his record will read:

Jacksonville Jaguars (1998–2008)
New England Patriots (2009–2010)

It will not include:

Jacksonville Jaguars (2011)

Check out Joe Montana and Jerry Rice's HOF profiles for confirmation.

MotionMan
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well, fuck me in both ears. I thought I was primarily on your side, just trying to figure things out.

guess not....
 
Gibson486

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Ignore him. Last time i had a conversation with him on football, he called me an idiot just because i did not agree with him.
 
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goog40

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Gibson486 said:
Ignore him. Last time i had a conversation with him on football, he called me an idiot just because i did not agree with him.
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IIRC it was because you insisted that scoring a TD and giving the ball back to the other team was preferable to ending the game in the victory formation. In terms of football IQ, that is downright retarded.
 
manimal

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goog40 said:
IIRC it was because you insisted that scoring a TD and giving the ball back to the other team was preferable to ending the game in the victory formation. In terms of football IQ, that is downright retarded.
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in traditional terms yes. Some quants now are saying going for it every 4th down in enemy territory is better odds than punting. Thats not what he said but at least unconventional thinking is becoming more commonplace in football.
 
Gibson486

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goog40 said:
IIRC it was because you insisted that scoring a TD and giving the ball back to the other team was preferable to ending the game in the victory formation. In terms of football IQ, that is downright retarded.
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It's not retarded when you consider the score and the qbs involved.
 
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goog40

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Gibson486 said:
It's not retarded when you consider the score and the qbs involved.
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I'd rather have a guaranteed win versus a 99.5% chance of winning. Ask every NFL coach what they'd want to do in that situation and there would be no debate at all about it. They'd all come back with the same answer.

Teams have come back from multiple scores down and less than two minutes left to win before. There's no point in even allowing that possibility when you can end the game with the ball in your hands.
 
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wkabel23

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I don't think it's stupid at all. Players don't necessarily leave a team because they're "disloyal." The team could no longer want the player for many reasons, but the player wants to continue his football career. So to prove his loyalty, he must stop playing?

You're correct it's "for show," but it makes the player, management, and fans--at least those without brooms up their ass--happy. Talk about stupid.
 
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blamb425

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I, for one, do not believe that argument is any form of productive discussion and humbly request that these forumcraps of threads be locked/deleted.
 
MotionMan

MotionMan

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blamb425 said:
I, for one, do not believe that argument is any form of productive discussion and humbly request that these forumcraps of threads be locked/deleted.
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Wait: You want to lock all threads where people disagree? Really?

LOL.

MotionMan
 
preslove

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Does Taylor still have a house in Jacksonville? I imagine that he could retire there and make a little extra money from promotional stuff. There are a lot of car dealerships that might pay him to come sign autographs. This move might help with that.

It doesn't take much $ to be doing ok in Jacksonville. If he owns a nice house outright, being a local celebrity might keep him afloat for a little bit.
 
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