Studies show having children sucks, having more children even more so

[GasX]

I think having kids to fill some void in your own life is much more self-centered than not having kids.

Resenting the tired old argument of being selfish and retorting that tired old argument is just weak.

It IS self-centered. That is not a fault, so don't get all butt hurt by the statement. You don't want kids because you don't want a life with kids. Good for you, I admire the decision, but it remains a self centered one.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I use to tell people "I don't know maybe someday" when they asked if I was planning on having kids. I'd just say that because usually you'll get the whole speech about how much I'm missing or what will you do when you get old if you tell em you don't want kids. Now I just tell people no I don't want kids, never have, never will. I'm 29 years old now so I don't get the you'll change your mind bullsh*t I use to get when I was early 20's.

 

[GasX]

Hmmm, are you the guy in a thread a couple of years back that said it was everyone's duty to have kids if they were physically able to?

I certainly hope not. I feel strongly that there are a large number of people out there that should be forcibly sterilized... Like the stupids and the Dutch.

 

[MJinZ]

Resenting the tired old argument of being selfish and retorting that tired old argument is just weak.

It IS self-centered. That is not a fault, so don't get all butt hurt by the statement. You don't want kids because you don't want a life with kids. Good for you, I admire the decision, but it remains a self centered one.

It isn't self centered if he chooses not to have his own kids but to adopt existing kids or something similar.

 

[PingSpike]

This thread brings up a question, one that will continue to puzzle the great minds of the world for centuries to come: Why do people read and respond to MJinZ's posts?

 

[MJinZ]

I use to tell people "I don't know maybe someday" when they asked if I was planning on having kids. I'd just say that because usually you'll get the whole speech about how much I'm missing or what will you do when you get old if you tell em you don't want kids. Now I just tell people no I don't want kids, never have, never will. I'm 29 years old now so I don't get the you'll change your mind bullsh*t I use to get when I was early 20's.

You haven't hit your mid-life crisis yet.

 

[Turin39789]

So you have 1 month of vacation a year. Wow, what kind of awesome, wild, crazy adventures are you going to do?

wha?

I was making aroudn 36k with 1 month of vacation a year. We went to Ireland one year, Argentina two years later, with lots of small trips in between (Tx, Nola, etc).

I never had any time in the bank because it was getting used up regularly.

 

[dpodblood]

Resenting the tired old argument of being selfish and retorting that tired old argument is just weak.

It IS self-centered. That is not a fault, so don't get all butt hurt by the statement. You don't want kids because you don't want a life with kids. Good for you, I admire the decision, but it remains a self centered one.

I promise you it's not butthurt. Personally I am undecided whether I want kids or not, but I know plenty of people who have chosen not to, and it isn't because they are selfish/self centered people (whatever the difference is). I don't know what the obsession is with having kids as some kind of noble cause.

 

[MJinZ]

This thread brings up a question, one that will continue to puzzle the great minds of the world for centuries to come: Why do people read and respond to MJinZ's posts?

I think great minds would have no trouble answering that question. Unfortunately for you, it may be a momentous task.

 

[MJinZ]

wha?

I was making aroudn 36k with 1 month of vacation a year. We went to Ireland one year, Argentina two years later, with lots of small trips in between (Tx, Nola, etc).

I never had any money in the bank because it was getting used up regularly.

Fixed.

 

[GasX]

I don't know what the obsession is with having kids as some kind of noble cause.

It's hard to wrap your head around and rationalize a biological imperative.

 

[Turin39789]

Fixed.

I had and have plenty in the bank. I'm sorry, you make outlandish and moronic claims about things you have no idea about.

 

[MJinZ]

I had and have plenty in the bank. I'm sorry, you make outlandish and moronic claims about things you have no idea about.

$36k eh?

That's what, $26k maybe after taxes?

$9K of rent per year?
$5K of food?
$10K of bills/car/etc

Where's all that plenty in the bank?

 

[dpodblood]

It's hard to wrap your head around and rationalize a biological imperative.

So because you have a biological impulse to do something that makes it noble automatically?

 

[ShawnD1]

Hehe, that's funny. I'm not sure where you get the impression that I'm a "baller," because I'm pretty much middle class and a regular Joe.

It was either you or someone similar to you who posted their income and it was easily in the top quintile of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
This page doesn't break down incomes as well as I would like, but I'll see how can I look at this.
-the top 11.4% of the country earn more than $75k per year (individual income)

That's basically the uppper class or "baller" class right there, depending on where you live. This title has certain responsibilities. You need to drive a nicer looking car than your poorer coworkers who keep talking about their kids. That way you have something to point to and say "you'd be a baller too if you didn't have those kids"

Why do people read and respond to MJinZ's posts?

He keeps us up to date with the latest in medical research. He said he worked in genetics before, and women over 30 have retard babies.

 

[GasX]

So because you have a biological impulse to do something that makes it noble automatically?

No, I think that calling it noble helps you rationalize something that comes down to being a biological imperative.

 

[Turin39789]

$36k eh?

That's what, $26k maybe after taxes?

$9K of rent per year?
$5K of food?
$10K of bills/car/etc

Where's all that plenty in the bank?

$4500 of rent per year (3 bd 1 ba house with garage)
not sure on food, owned a beater car or two outright but when I finally got around to getting my first vehicle loan (2 years old with 30k miles) the note is ~2600 a year(3 year loan). 360 a year for a cell, 540 for interweb.

Hell my future wife and I were putting ourselves through college while working full time as we did it(my BA her MBA) and we bought a home about 14 months after Argentina (our honeymoon)

 

[AMDZen]

Resenting the tired old argument of being selfish and retorting that tired old argument is just weak.

It IS self-centered. That is not a fault, so don't get all butt hurt by the statement. You don't want kids because you don't want a life with kids. Good for you, I admire the decision, but it remains a self centered one.

The argument can be made both ways. Some people have kids for selfish reasons, just like not having them can be for selfish reasons.

 

[MJinZ]

$4500 of rent per year (3 bd 1 ba house with garage)
not sure on food, owned a beater car or two outright but when I finally got around to getting my first vehicle loan (2 years old with 30k miles) the note is ~2600 a year(3 year loan). 360 a year for a cell, 540 for interweb.

Hell my future wife and I were putting ourselves through college while working full time as we did it(my BA her MBA) and we bought a home about 14 months after Argentina (our honeymoon)

This is the worst post I've ever seen from you...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It was either you or someone similar to you who posted their income and it was easily in the top quintile of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
This page doesn't break down incomes as well as I would like, but I'll see how can I look at this.
-the top 11.4% of the country earn more than $75k per year (individual income)

That's basically the uppper class or "baller" class right there, depending on where you live. This title has certain responsibilities. You need to drive a nicer looking car than your poorer coworkers who keep talking about their kids. That way you have something to point to and say "you'd be a baller too if you didn't have those kids"



He keeps us up to date with the latest in medical research. He said he worked in genetics before, and women over 30 have retard babies.

You're probably thinking of someone else, because I'd never post my income on AT. Because after all, everyone knows everyone on AT makes a minimum of $3 million a year, has a fleet of foreign sports cars, and has a herd of super models beating down their doors.

Actually, I do remember a thread similar to what you're describing and I remember discussing a range and people accused me of being "rich" and I laughed and told them they were full of it.

 

[MJinZ]

It was either you or someone similar to you who posted their income and it was easily in the top quintile of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
This page doesn't break down incomes as well as I would like, but I'll see how can I look at this.
-the top 11.4% of the country earn more than $75k per year (individual income)

That's basically the uppper class or "baller" class right there, depending on where you live. This title has certain responsibilities. You need to drive a nicer looking car than your poorer coworkers who keep talking about their kids. That way you have something to point to and say "you'd be a baller too if you didn't have those kids"



He keeps us up to date with the latest in medical research. He said he worked in genetics before, and women over 30 have retard babies.

Yea, just because I worked in a lab for a while, doesn't mean I keep up on the latest papers on cis-elements and transcription factors.

 

[dpodblood]

No, I think that calling it noble helps you rationalize something that comes down to being a biological imperative.

Not everyone who is physically capable of having children, needs to have children in order to perpetuate the human race. We haven't reached the apocalypse yet. Over the last hundred years the worlds population has increased by 3.5 times. We aren't exactly an endangered species. To me it it's just as honorable to increase the quality of life for the people who are already here, rather than adding to the population.

 

[MJinZ]

Not everyone who is physically capable of having children, needs to have children in order to perpetuate the human race. We haven't reached the apocalypse yet. Over the last hundred years the worlds population has increased by 3.5 times. We aren't exactly an endangered species. To me it it's just as honorable to increase the quality of life for the people who are already here, rather than adding to the population.

That's pretty dumb actually.

Watch as the Mexicans outbreed everyone here and take over the USA.

 

[Turin39789]

That's pretty dumb actually.

Watch as the Mexicans outbreed everyone here and take over the USA.

People are people?

Or are the white people still fighting the brown people?

 

[PieIsAwesome]

People are people?

Or are the white people still fighting the brown people?

Can't have America become so heavily populated with inferior people.