Studies show having children sucks, having more children even more so

[Gothgar]

But if you don't have kids, how do you make yourself feel superior to those around you?

lol

 

[darkxshade]

So you have 1 month of vacation a year. Wow, what kind of awesome, wild, crazy adventures are you going to do?

I don't get it, is this about available vacation time from having jobs or available vacation time from having children?

 

[SP33Demon]

I think everyone is in agreement that you shouldn't procreate, glad you agree.

While some of the posters on this board are still probably teenagers, once they hit 30 and up they will probably view the world much differently. Hopefully wiser.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Are you a dumbass?

Anyone claiming to be doing a lot of traveling and fun stuff in life REQUIRES a large amount of earnings and the ability to use it. This is FACT.

I was responding to your point that one month of vacation was not enough time to do anything exciting. How much time do you think you need to enjoy yourself in a place like Italy? Greece? Etc.? Money is one thing but I was responding to your sarcastic retort regarding a month of vacation. You can keep your 'dumbass' comments to yourself in the future.

 

[MJinZ]

I don't get it, is this about available vacation time from having jobs or available vacation time from having children?

It's about people saying they would rather not have kids so they can go on their African Safari and stare at the Mona Lisa at the Louvre.

Whether or not you have children, you need to make good money to do these kind of things (and obviously, have enough time off given to you).

If you already make good money, the additional cost of children is not a reasonable excuse for precluding you from doing the fun stuff.

 

[child of wonder]

It's about people saying they would rather not have kids so they can go on their African Safari and stare at the Mona Lisa at the Louvre.

Whether or not you have children, you need to make good money to do these kind of things (and obviously, have enough time off given to you).

If you already make good money, the additional cost of children is not a reasonable excuse for precluding you from doing the fun stuff.

And if you exit your reproductive years not earning very much money, then f*ck you. You were obviously inferior and never meant to have kids. Right?

 

[MJinZ]

I was responding to your point that one month of vacation was not enough time to do anything exciting. How much time do you think you need to enjoy yourself in a place like Italy? Greece? Etc.? Money is one thing but I was responding to your sarcastic retort regarding a month of vacation. You can keep your 'dumbass' comments to yourself in the future.

One month a year?

Do you even work?

That's about 2-3 weeks after necessary time off for the holidays, chores, or the long weekend.

Maybe that's enough time for you every year, but that's clearly not the awesome traveling lifestyle people here are arguing for.

 

[MJinZ]

And if you exit your reproductive years not earning very much money, then f*ck you. You were obviously inferior and never meant to have kids. Right?

What reproductive years? Men don't have limits on our reproductive years. But you knew that already?

 

[Fingolfin269]

One month a year?

Do you even work?

That's about 2-3 weeks after necessary time off for the holidays, chores, or the long weekend.

Maybe that's enough time for you every year, but that's clearly not the awesome traveling lifestyle people here are arguing for.

You are totally missing the point. I don't even know why I'm trying to even have this conversation with you. You've already pointed out that you don't have kids and you're 23 or 24 years old so I doubt you have a lot of friends who have kids. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[child of wonder]

What reproductive years? Men don't have limits on our reproductive years. But you knew that already?

Got it. If a man is finally earning enough money for reproduction to be financially responsible at age 55 but his wife is 53, he should leave her for a partner who is not dried up.

 

[child of wonder]

You are totally missing the point. I don't even know why I'm trying to even have this conversation with you. You've already pointed out that you don't have kids and you're 23 or 24 years old so I doubt you have a lot of friends who have kids. You have no idea what you're talking about.

lol

I love early-mid 20 somethings that think they have the whole world figured out.

Dime a dozen.

 

[darkxshade]

Got it. If a man is finally earning enough money for reproduction to be financially responsible at age 55 but his wife is 53, he should leave her for a partner who is not dried up.

Well if you put it that way, I think he's onto something. :sneaky:

 

[Fingolfin269]

lol

I love early-mid 20 somethings that think they have the whole world figured out.

Dime a dozen.

I can't really be mad I guess. I used to be just like him.

 

[MJinZ]

You are totally missing the point. I don't even know why I'm trying to even have this conversation with you. You've already pointed out that you don't have kids and you're 23 or 24 years old so I doubt you have a lot of friends who have kids. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Really? So what was your point? 24 years old was the average life span not too long ago in the history of the human race.

 

[MJinZ]

Got it. If a man is finally earning enough money for reproduction to be financially responsible at age 55 but his wife is 53, he should leave her for a partner who is not dried up.

Yes, of course you should have frozen all of her eggs or dump her for a 21 year old.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Uhh... the money at this point is fairly irrelevant if we are talking about lots of travel, trips, and adventures.

You need to make good money to begin with in order to enjoy all of these "opportunities" you'd be "denied". And plenty of vacation time.

You really have no idea what a child costs, do you?

 

[MJinZ]

You really have no idea what a child costs, do you?

Or perhaps you really have no idea what a gallivanting life of awesomeness costs?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If you're dropping the kids off at playroom when you're in a foreign country, you're a complete failure at life. Kids can do anything an adult can do. They're a bit slower at it, but it'll get done.

Well I was joking, but the point is that taking young kids to the Louvre will result in bored kids.

 

[lxskllr]

Well I was joking, but the point is that taking young kids to the Louvre will result in bored kids.

Depends on the kids. I think my daughter would dig that, but I'm not sure.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Are you a dumbass?

Anyone claiming to be doing a lot of traveling and fun stuff in life REQUIRES a large amount of earnings and the ability to use it. This is FACT.

You're not getting the point, which doesn't surprise me. You do NOT need large amounts of earnings to take nice vacations. In many cases in life, you can't have everything so you must choose.

Here is an example. Let's use the number earlier of $800-$1000 per month for daycare. Now, I could save that $800 to $1000 per month for three or four months and go on a nice vacation, OR I could keep spending it on daycare. The amount of money is not "irrelevant" as you claimed in another post. It is ENTIRELY relevant.

 

[child of wonder]

I can't really be mad I guess. I used to be just like him.

Me too.

It's probably best to ignore him. Life will slap him across the face someday and then he'll start to understand how little he really knows.

 

[MJinZ]

You're not getting the point, which doesn't surprise me. You do NOT need large amounts of earnings to take nice vacations. In many cases in life, you can't have everything so you must choose.

Here is an example. Let's use the number earlier of $800-$1000 per month for daycare. Now, I could save that $800 to $1000 per month for three or four months and go on a nice vacation, OR I could keep spending it on daycare. The amount of money is not "irrelevant" as you claimed in another post. It is ENTIRELY irrelevant.

Indeed.

$800 per month on day care, or $10K a year.

That's pretty damn irrelevant when we are talking about all the awesome things that $10K is supposedly stopping you from:

"Having kids means you'll be denied a huge number of experiences though (I love to travel, see the world, have adventures) and IMO losing those opportunities is the biggest drawback to reproducing."

Perhaps you and I have a different idea of what the difference is between the "grand life without kids" versus "the life you couldn't have if you had kids".

Well, the difference is not going to mean $10K per year is make or break.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Depends on the kids. I think my daughter would dig that, but I'm not sure.

You're right, it does, but that is something I won't have to figure out for myself. I can go and walk all 12 miles of the Louvre if I want without hearing "I'm bored!" or "I'm tired!" or "I need to go to the bathroom!"

 

[darkxshade]

Isn't the argument kinda moot?

Some people will have no kids and can't afford vacations
Some people will have no kids and can afford vacations
Some people will have kids and can't afford vacations
Some people will have kids and can afford vacations

So the study is correct in a way since having children means you have to make personal sacrifices but then we're not talking about the study which says having little money sucks, and having even less money even more so.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Indeed.

$800 per month on day care, or $10K a year.

That's pretty damn irrelevant when we are talking about all the awesome things that $10K is supposedly stopping you from:

"Having kids means you'll be denied a huge number of experiences though (I love to travel, see the world, have adventures) and IMO losing those opportunities is the biggest drawback to reproducing."

I made a typo and you know it. I just corrected it.

As I said, you're not getting it. I am not surprised. We're not talking about me specifically, but people in general who don't want kids because they'd rather spend the money on something else. And believe me, in my case, money is a very small part of the reason but we're not discussing me specifically.

$10K can pay for 2 to 3 very nice, multi-week vacations in Europe.