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Students punished for defending themselves against burglar

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Not only that, to fight back, the students should get lawyers and sue the school for not providing enough protection. The situation has caused them a great deal of stress and anxiety, they feel they can no longer properly study and work on their degrees.
 
spidey07 said:
Confiscated his weapon? That's a big lawsuit right there for violation of constitutional rights and civil right.
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I was going to say....

TRY taking my gun without me committing a crime or being suspected of committing a crime. It would not end well.
 
No one's civil/constitutional rights were violated. If you want to have guns, rent your own apartment instead of living in student housing owned by the college.
 
rudeguy said:
I was going to say....

TRY taking my gun without me committing a crime or being suspected of committing a crime. It would not end well.
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Saying to campus "police" officer...

"Attempting to take my weapon is a deadly threat. Touching my weapon is considered a deadly threat. Are you sure you want to make a deadly threat?"
 
WEAPONS ON CAMPUS
Possession, use, sale, or exchange of weapons at any location on campus, or within University residences, is prohibited. Firearms, fireworks, chemicals of an explosive nature, explosives or explosive devices, or weapons shall not be maintained on the university campus except as specifically authorized by the Director of Security. The term "weapon" includes any object or substance designed to inflict a wound, cause injury, propel and object, or incapacitate and includes, but is not limited to: all firearms, pellet/BB guns, paintball guns,home manufactured cannons, bows and arrows, slingshots, martial arts devices, switchblade knives or knives with a blade longer than three inches(with the exception of kitchen knives in our University homes or apartments) and clubs. Toy guns and other simulated weapons are covered by this policy.
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Don't like their policies? Live somewhere else.
 
spidey07 said:
Saying to campus "police" officer...

"Attempting to take my weapon is a deadly threat. Touching my weapon is considered a deadly threat. Are you sure you want to make a deadly threat?"
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I keep things much more simple.

"Sir I need to confiscate your weapon."

Was it used in a crime?

"No"

Then no thank you. Now I fully intend to cooperate with your investigation, however I wish to remain silent until my attorney is present. Would you like a cup of coffee for the road?
 
BoomerD said:
No one's civil/constitutional rights were violated. If you want to have guns, rent your own apartment instead of living in student housing owned by the college.
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So can certain parts of the Bill of Rights get suspended at the discretion of your landlord?
 
Property owned by the school so the students have to follow the shitty rules if they want to stay there. Which means no guns. School can legally kick them out of the residence or the school. No problem with that. As Spidey said though, the confiscation of their personal property is a HUGE no-no legally speaking. If the students press the issue the school hasn't a leg to stand on in regards to the confiscation.

Which means the kids get to learn a lesson in tit for tat. I certainly would let the school know that if they decide to kick me out for that violation I would sue for every penny I could for the infringement of my civil rights and stolen property by the school.
 
vi edit said:
Your car can be towed away if parked illegaly. Is that a violation of Bill of Rights too?
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That isn't a outright ban on possession of a legal object. However can a landlord outright ban possession of firearms when it is guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment?
 
vi edit said:
Your car can be towed away if parked illegaly. Is that a violation of Bill of Rights too?
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No one ever taught you how rights work huh? Look at it this way. I have the right to swing my arms all around as much as I want where ever and when ever I want. Except that right ends where my arm swinging meets with your face. Get the picture?

You have rights so long as those rights don't infringe upon others. Illegally parking is infringement upon the rights of another. Thus either a ticket or a towing depending upon the infringement are legal under the law.

The school has zero legal authority in this scenario to confiscate the gun, assuming that they did at this point.
 
Brovane said:
That isn't a outright ban on possession of a legal object. However can a landlord outright ban possession of firearms when it is guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment?
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Yes they can if it is stated upfront in the contract before hand. If I rent my house out to someone, I can tell them they can live there under certain clauses. Of which can be they can't own a firearm on the premise, they can't have parties, they can't do X, Y, or Z. The person renting can either accept the terms or not.

What I can't do is change the terms during the rental agreement period. If someone rents my house for a period of 3 years, during which time I find they own a gun, I can't go back on year 2 and try to evict them for owning a gun.
 
Brovane said:
So can certain parts of the Bill of Rights get suspended at the discretion of your landlord?
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Suspension of any rights not found. No one is forcing them to live in campus owned housing where they most likely signed a rental agreement that stated "no guns allowed."


rudeguy said:
So would you be ok with them banning people from having abortions while living there?
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Considering that Gonzaga is a Jesuit owned/operated college, that's probably already in the rules somewhere...much as it would be if it was BYU.
(which also has a "no firearms" policy for all student housing...on campus and off)

15. FIREARMS, WEAPONS, FIREWORKS, AND EXPLOSIVES

15.01. Owners agree that they will not nor will they allow tenants to store, keep, or maintain on the premises any firearms, explosives, fireworks, or dangerous weapons, including knives (except reasonable cutlery), or other items which, in their intended use, are capable of inflicting serious personal injury. Any exception must have prior written consent from all tenants in the rental unit and from the owner. This policy also applies to the owner or his or her agent when living in a dwelling unit with students on the premises of BYU Contracted housing.
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HumblePie said:
Yes they can if it is stated upfront in the contract before hand. If I rent my house out to someone, I can tell them they can live there under certain clauses. Of which can be they can't own a firearm on the premise, they can't have parties, they can't do X, Y, or Z. The person renting can either accept the terms or not.

What I can't do is change the terms during the rental agreement period. If someone rents my house for a period of 3 years, during which time I find they own a gun, I can't go back on year 2 and try to evict them for owning a gun.
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So I could also say no inter-racial couples allowed in my rental agreement? Or no people with disabilities allowed in my rental agreement? Or no people of certain ethnicity allowed in my rental agreement?
 
BoomerD said:
Suspension of any rights not found. No one is forcing them to live in campus owned housing where they most likely signed a rental agreement that stated "no guns allowed."
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So I could say no African Americans allowed in my rental agreement since I am not forcing them to live there?
 
vi edit said:
Please just stop. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.

GUNS ARE NOT PROTECTED CLASSES.
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The Possession of firearms is protected in the Bill of Rights. So the possession of FireArms is protected, not sure why that is so hard for you to understand. What is interesting in this lawsuit in San Francisco - Guy Montag Doe v. San Francisco Housing Authority the NRA sued the City of San Francisco because the possession of FireArms was banned in public housing in San Francisco. However before it could progress in the courts the San Francisco Housing Authority backed down from its policy and repealed it and settled out of court with the NRA.
 
I don't know what's being argued here. Seems pretty clear cut, like the rules your dad had.

Under my roof, you follow my rules
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Wonder if they knew having guns was against the school rules when they reported the crime.
 
Brovane said:
So I could also say no inter-racial couples allowed in my rental agreement? Or no people with disabilities allowed in my rental agreement? Or no people of certain ethnicity allowed in my rental agreement?
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Yes and no? You can do that for a house rental, but not for say a open to the public business.

But yes, I have been turned down from rental agreements for various reasons. A common one is that I was single or too young or I was in the military at the time. Many home owners that rent out their houses tend to only want to rent out to stable families. It is also their right to choose who they can and can't rent their personal property out to.

If I own a business open to the "public" then I can't deny anyone from entering based upon things like race or gender. However, if I have a "private" business model that has requirements for entry then I most certainly can. This is how strip clubs can deny entry to a gender of the same sex as their workers legally. Because entry to the place is "paid" for and not open freely to the public.

So the circumstance has to depend upon the legal drafting of the business. It's how places like Hooters doesn't allow male waiters, nor female strip clubs allow male strippers.

So the school can legally setup a set of clauses for their PRIVATE property for those wishing to gain entry if the property is not "open to the general public" for business. They can legally deny anything they want there. Which means they can kick out anyone that owns a firearm on their property that they don't want having a firearm there.

What they can't do is confiscate the firearm. That is a different legal can of worms there.
 
Where was campus security when the hoodlum was knocking on their door? How did he get into that housing complex?Clearly Campus security was not on the scene.
 
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