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[GarfieldtheCat]

I'm 25, I think 21 year olds are mature enough to carry, and in today's environment of college shootings stripping them of their Constitutional right to bear arms is silly.

That said, I'll ask you one last time. Do you have any facts to backup your argument that college kids 21 and up are not mature enough to carry, or is that just your gut feeling?

Again, show me some facts

Talk to me when you are like 35, or at least over 30.

I gave you my reasons. Do you have any facts showing how kids in college would safely handle weapons?

 

[nick1985]

Talk to me when you are like 35, or at least over 30.

I gave you my reasons. Do you have any facts showing how kids in college would safely handle weapons?

I think I'll talk to you now, when I'm 25.

There are campuses all over the nation that allow carry. Do you hear about CCW holders going crazy and shooting people on those campuses? No.

The burden is on YOU. YOU are making the claim that they cannot handle the responsibility of a CCW. PROVE IT. Again, YOU have the burden of proof. Your inability to provice any facts at all to suggest CCW holders on college campuses act irresponsibally says alot about your argument.

Put up or shut up.



Since I'm a good sport, I'll give you some facts, even though you can provide none.


Argument: Guns on campus would lead to an escalation in violent crime.

Answer: Since the fall semester of 2006, state law has allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns on the campuses of the nine degree-offering public colleges (20 campuses) and one public technical college (10 campuses) in Utah. Concealed carry has been allowed at Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) since 2003 and at Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA) since 1995. After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of one hundred semesters, none of these twelve schools has seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including threats and suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft. Likewise, none of the forty ‘right-to-carry’ states has seen a resulting increase in gun violence since legalizing concealed carry, despite the fact that licensed citizens in those states regularly carry concealed handguns in places like office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc. Numerous studies*, including studies by University of Maryland senior research scientist John Lott, University of Georgia professor David Mustard, engineering statistician William Sturdevant, and various state agencies, show that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.


Look at those irresponsible college kids....

http://www.concealedcampus.org/common_arguments.php





Myth: CCWs will lead to mass public shootings

Fact: Multiple victim public shootings drop in states that pass shall-issue CCW legislation.308

Fact: 77% of all violent crime occurs in public places.310 This makes concealed carry
necessary for almost all self-defense needs. But due to onerous laws forbidding
concealed carry, only 26.8% of defensive gun uses occurred away from home.311

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Obviously it isn't worth discussing with you, given your hatred of actual debate, especially after reading your other thread about how you think Obama is "far left", and how you started posting derogatory and insulting posts when people tried to point out things to you.

As such, I see no reason to discuss this further, since you will just start to spew insults.

But just to point out a few things:

-Having a weapon at home is loads different from carrying it concealed.

-From a quick look, at least some (many?) states require one to be 25 to carry a weapon, so obviously at least some states agree that 21-year old kids don't need to be walking around with handguns.

-Your posts on this forum show that I am right about how maturity is needed for many things, including carrying a lethal weapon, but I doubt you can see that.

-If those GA students weren't 21, they couldn't have had a legal handgun anyway, rendering your whole rant moot.

-Why don't you get Ruger or Colt to donate 10,000 handguns, to a couple colleges and start a study to see what happens when 50% plus of a student population is armed. Then we will know what happens, but not until then. I could be wrong, but so could you.

 

[nick1985]

Obviously it isn't worth discussing with you, given your hatred of actual debate, especially after reading your other thread about how you think Obama is "far left", and how you started posting derogatory and insulting posts when people tried to point out things to you.

As such, I see no reason to discuss this further, since you will just start to spew insults.

But just to point out a few things:

-Having a weapon at home is loads different from carrying it concealed since you cannot refute them.

-From a quick look, at least some (many?) states require one to be 25 to carry a weapon, so obviously at least some states agree that 21-year old kids don't need to be walking around with handguns.

-Your posts on this forum show that I am right about how maturity is needed for many things, including carrying a lethal weapon, but I doubt you can see that.

-If those GA students weren't 21, they couldn't have had a legal handgun anyway, rendering your whole rant moot.

-Why don't you get Ruger or Colt to donate 10,000 handguns, to a couple colleges and start a study to see what happens when 50% plus of a student population is armed. Then we will know what happens, but not until then. I could be wrong, but so could you.

No, Garfield, this isnt worth discussing with you.

YOU HAVE STILL NOT PROVIDED A SHRED OF EVIDENCE to back up ANY of your claims. All you are going on is your hunch.

And when I provide you with statistics you attack me personally since you cannot refute them.

You're right Garf', this isnt worth discussing. Its obvious you have no facts and are full of shit.

If you respond one more time without citing statistics to back up your claims that CCW on college campus is a bad idea, then this "debate" is over, no sense in wasting my time. You have made yourself look like a big enough fool already.

 

[Carmen813]

Saying that giving everyone guns would reduce violence is about as intelligent as saying that destroying all guns would reduce violence.

Here's a clue:
It's not about the guns.