Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers (Multiple times)

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Good god, the 'pro-taser' crowd is fvcking retarded... once you're tased your muscles are basically immobilized.
Please explain the logic of:

*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"

And once they handcuff him after the 3rd taser, they DEFINETELY should not tase him anymore.

You forget the part when the video started and he was on the ground and would not get up. You know the part before he was tasered and he refused to get up despite repeated commands to do so and warnings issued to him that he would be tasered next if he continued his actions. Oh and lets not forget his attempts to incite a riot and get others to join in with his little temper tantrum.


"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"OKAY IF YOU DON't GET UP YOU
WILL BE TASERED."
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"OKAY IF YOU DON't GET UP YOU
WILL BE TASERED."
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"

This reflects what happened more truthfully.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nut thinks he's a lawyer. Disobying lawful orders.. Cusing and stuff too.... he's lucky he wasnt shot. This is why I could'nt be a cop.

Kinder gentler cops talk way too much. "Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up"...ad nauseum

They'd still be there asking this guy who was trespassing to stand up if this was the case.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: KAZANI

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Bad move by the cops, but it's certainly not brutality.

Just as waterboarding isn't torture. Good job with that reality warping! :frown:

Uh, no... I never mentioned waterboarding (which IS torture). Your brain is tired. Get rest.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: MisterDucky

Originally posted by: bamacre
First of all, it seems wrong of the guy for alledgedly disobeying the police offices, and it may even seem fair he was tased, the first time.

He was not causing anyone harm. He did not have any weapons on him. The officers had zero reason to believe he was a danger to anyone. There were multiple officers on the scene. They could have dragged his butt out of the library. IMO, this is WAY over the line, and a perfect example of police brutality.

I'm glad I was not him, but even more so, I'm glad I was not one of the witnesses. I bet I could have felt the integrity oozing out of my body watching this and doing nothing.

To be honest, I think UCLA and/or the Powell library administration are mostly at fault.

From what I can gather, UCLA has some policy where they randomly check library patrons working on computers to see if they have a student ID. This student was randomly asked if he had a student ID, and asked to leave when he couldn't produce one. When he refused (which seems reasonable--is it reasonable for a college to deny someone services they are entitled to, and have payed for?), the police were called, and then hell broke loose.

This seems ridiculous; why not use the highly evolved authentication that almost all major operating systems currently provide? My college does this exact thing; to use a computer on campus, one must first enter their student ID and password.

Instead, they decide to implement a policy that requires them to literally confront people (in the library no less, where people may be doing research and not appreciate the interruption) and verify if they are allowed to be using the computer. That is absurd. For starters, this sort of policy is simply begging for the aforementioned confrontation. Second, it requires someone to physically ask people; surely that person could be doing something more productive while UNIX or Windows is tasked with handling user authentication.

You must not know anything about computer security or computers in general. Passwords can be shared, stolen and if a person has physical access to a computer they can hack into it a lot easier then if they were online. The only logical reason they would have such a system in place to check ID's would be if some of the things I've mentioned already happened if not more. You cannot blame UCLA for securing their workstations from people who have no ID and potentially may not be students and are using those workstations for whatever reasons.

 

[glutenberg]

UCLA computer logins require your ID number and your Password. It's been standard practice at Night Powell (which operates on a different set of rules than the daytime Powell) to check for ID.

I would like to know why everyone believes that at the time of the event the police would know he doesn't have a weapon on him. He's laying limp on the ground and resisting arrest. How would anyone know whether he was armed and dangerous if he's unwilling to let the police search him. To all those defening the student's right to not be touched. There isn't video footage of what was occurring from when the CSOs began talking to him to when they grabbed his arm so to believe that there were no altercations during that time period is only showing your blatant bias. They probably could've carried him out and saved themselves the hassle of all this trouble but we honestly don't know the full account of the story and even the bystanders wouldn't necessarily know what was going on. Particularly since most of the people at the night Powell are there studying for their upcoming finals.

 

[imported_dna]

I find it really, really odd that people find it ok to taser someone who -- according to the UCPD report -- went limp and remainded on the floor.

Whether we are "keyboard crusading" or not (aren't you doing the same glutenberg?), we are allowed to express our opinion, and in this case, there is hardly a reason to believe that the officers were in any danger -- in fact, they've escalated the matter, and got all the other students riled up after they started to taser him.

The guy was already on the floor, so they were one step away from forcing him on his stomach, handcuffing him, and dragging him away. Alas, they chose to make a scene, and in the process succeeded in destroying any respect or trust that the students had for them.

Quite frankly, the only reason I see for the tasing is the same reason that many posters used to justify their position: because the student was a douchebag. It's as if the officers had the same mentality: "Don't want to do what we tell you, you little prick? Fine, we'll just have some fun and hurt you a bit." Notice how at the end of the video one of the officers warns one student to get back or get tazed; can you imagine him saying "... or I'll smack you in the head with my baton", or perhaps "... or I'll shoot you in the leg"?

 

[glutenberg]

Why do you believe approaching a police and badgering them while they're in the middle of the event is a good idea? No possible way to wait until the event is over? I haven't made a judgement about either sides hence why I'm not keyboard crusading. That comment is directed at those who have already pre-determined responses to these situations without possibly knowing all the facts. The video itself starts awhile after the event even occurs as it's footage of the UCPD talking to the kid. As the article stated, the CFOs were the first to approach the student. You can express your opinion all you want but it makes no sense to make an opinion without full details of the event.

I never said that they were in the right to use the taser but I will also not jump to conclusions about details that I will never be privy to. You don't know if the kid was armed. You don't know if the kid had a prior history. It's all speculation on your part and generally, shoddy speculation.

 

[imported_dna]

I said the end of the video, at which point, as far as I can tell, they already had the guy out of the building. Besides, you won't find me arguing for "badgering", but those officers weren't exactly helping their cause by inflicting pain and having him yell in anguish.

As for "knowing all the facts": I referred to the the UCPD report, as to what the student did, and it wasn't throwing punches, or trying to kick the officers -- it was passive resistance, which placed him in a disadvantageous position, which could've been seized upon by the officers to cuff-him, and drag him out.

Call me a "keyboard crusader" as much as you want, but I've already mentioned two other scenarios from the Cops show, where the risk was greater, but the officers took care of business. In this case, it seems like they more intent on showing him who's the boss, instead of removing him from the building -- which was the reason they were summoned.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aelius
Another example of the militarization of the police force.

This sort of brutality is usually found in the military conducting security and not your local police force that's supposed to "...protect and serve...".

I have seen similar instances with people not obaying an officer during a DUI arrest and get tazed multiple times.

If you cannot see the wrong in this action you need to check your morality meter.

Let see

1. Police tried to escort him from the building peacefully.
2. He resited and made a scene.
3. Got tasered for resisting.,
4. Got tasered again for disobeying orders.

The first case, sure, but after that I have a problem with. I've not been tasered, but doesn't it make it difficult to move and comply with orders? I mean, once you're down for the count, an order to get up under your own strength is ridiculous.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: dna
I said the end of the video, at which point, as far as I can tell, they already had the guy out of the building. Besides, you won't find me arguing for "badgering", but those officers weren't exactly helping their cause by inflicting pain and having him yell in anguish.

As for "knowing all the facts": I referred to the the UCPD report, as to what the student did, and it wasn't throwing punches, or trying to kick the officers -- it was passive resistance, which placed him in a disadvantageous position, which could've been seized upon by the officers to cuff-him, and drag him out.

Call me a "keyboard crusader" as much as you want, but I've already mentioned two other scenarios from the Cops show, where the risk was greater, but the officers took care of business. In this case, it seems like they more intent on showing him who's the boss, instead of removing him from the building -- which was the reason they were summoned.

I can respect your opinion and I'll leave it at that.

 

[arkcom]

How do you guys even compare a shock from a taser to being beaten with a baton? He wasn't even shot with the taser, they shocked him with it like a stun gun. When you wake up in the morning after being beaten with a baton you're gonna feel it. After the initial shock with a taser there is no prolonged/permanant pain/damage, you wake up the next day feeling like it never happened.

 

[AAjax]

I think the police over reacted, but I also think this guy caused the incident by being an asshat. He wanted attention, wanted to cause a scene. Well he got attention, and now he got a lawyer. Big surprise.
Look at me, Ill make a scene with the police BAD IDEA. All he had to do was show his ID. He was not in a public place, he was in a restricted area where ID was required after a certain time.
Im not saying what the police did was right, it wasnt. But he was the one who caused it to begin. At that point you gotta take some responsibility for the outcome. Odds are though, he wont.

 

[5150Joker]

Its good they tasered the punk. He was being mouthy with the cops and then refused to get up despite being instructed to do so several times. If I were one of those cops I'd have tasered some of the students coming up to my face as well. Job well done UCLA campus rent-a-cops! :thumbsup:

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Its good they tasered the punk. He was being mouthy with the cops and then refused to get up despite being instructed to do so several times. If I were one of those cops I'd have tasered some of the students coming up to my face as well. Job well done UCLA campus rent-a-cops! :thumbsup:

They are not rent-a-cops. College and university campus police in California are granted the same powers to hold, question and arrest as municipal and regular police officers across the state.

 

[ChiPCGuy]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Its good they tasered the punk. He was being mouthy with the cops and then refused to get up despite being instructed to do so several times. If I were one of those cops I'd have tasered some of the students coming up to my face as well. Job well done UCLA campus rent-a-cops! :thumbsup:

VERY VERY bad idea. You are a fool, and a dangerous one. Had the cops started using force on other students it would have escalated into a full-scale riot. Cops and students would have most likely DIED. All I can say is that if the cops started tasering students randomly coming up I would have probably intervened had I been there and at least made it clear to the cop that they were out-numbered and in mortal danger if they continued.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: glutenberg
I would like to know why everyone believes that at the time of the event the police would know he doesn't have a weapon on him. He's laying limp on the ground and resisting arrest. How would anyone know whether he was armed and dangerous if he's unwilling to let the police search him.

I would like to know why you think he still had a weapon on him after the police got close to him and handcuffed him with the 3rd taser.

Where the other 2-3 tasers after that handcuff really necessary?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: arkcom
How do you guys even compare a shock from a taser to being beaten with a baton? He wasn't even shot with the taser, they shocked him with it like a stun gun. When you wake up in the morning after being beaten with a baton you're gonna feel it. After the initial shock with a taser there is no prolonged/permanant pain/damage, you wake up the next day feeling like it never happened.

If you wake up,,,How many deaths from tazer use? Don't forget the ones during police training.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: arkcom
How do you guys even compare a shock from a taser to being beaten with a baton? He wasn't even shot with the taser, they shocked him with it like a stun gun. When you wake up in the morning after being beaten with a baton you're gonna feel it. After the initial shock with a taser there is no prolonged/permanant pain/damage, you wake up the next day feeling like it never happened.

If you wake up,,,How many deaths from tazer use? Don't forget the ones during police training.

Prove your point, how many?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Tazers are to be used to incapacitate a suspect so that handcuffs can be applied. Multiple shocks can cause cardiac arrest.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Tazers are to be used to incapacitate a suspect so that handcuffs can be applied. Multiple shocks can cause cardiac arrest.

You implied that a lot of people die from being tazed, so prove it.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Tazers are to be used to incapacitate a suspect so that handcuffs can be applied. Multiple shocks can cause cardiac arrest.

You implied that a lot of people die from being tazed, so prove it.

from the article above:

Using numbers released by TASER International we have 46 deaths in
70,000 TASER exposures (in 40,000) subjects or death occurs every l522 times the TASER is
fired or one in every 870 people shot by the TASER died within 24 hours. The Lancet, a
well-respected medical Journal, published a review of 218 consecutive subjects who
- 38 -
were ?TASERED?. This article published in 2001 reports 3 deaths. This would lead to the
conclusion that death occurred once for every 73 subjects struck by the TASER. The true
incidence probably lies somewhere between the two figures.

 

[Jaskalas]

Forget about how they feel in the morning, how about 15 seconds after being tasered ? is it reasonable to issue commands for them to get back up on their feet under their own strength? Can?t imagine how that is.

 

[fornax]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Its good they tasered the punk. He was being mouthy with the cops and then refused to get up despite being instructed to do so several times. If I were one of those cops I'd have tasered some of the students coming up to my face as well. Job well done UCLA campus rent-a-cops! :thumbsup:

I hear our torture rooms in Iraq are understaffed and they're looking for someone like you. I'm sure you know where to send your application.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: arkcom
How do you guys even compare a shock from a taser to being beaten with a baton? He wasn't even shot with the taser, they shocked him with it like a stun gun. When you wake up in the morning after being beaten with a baton you're gonna feel it. After the initial shock with a taser there is no prolonged/permanant pain/damage, you wake up the next day feeling like it never happened.

If you wake up,,,How many deaths from tazer use? Don't forget the ones during police training.

Prove your point, how many?

"Between September 1999 and October 2004, there were 73 cases of deaths of subjects soon after having been shocked using Tasers. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser

More deaths from tasers than marijuana. 😀

 

[KAZANI]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Uh, no... I never mentioned waterboarding (which IS torture). Your brain is tired. Get rest.

Well excuse the presumptuousness on my behalf. Oh and, I am sort of glad you have those double standards. It shows that at least part of your brain has resisted ablution from the nazi propaganda.

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aelius


Let see

1. Police tried to escort him from the building peacefully.
2. He resited and made a scene.
3. Got tasered for resisting.,
4. Got tasered again for disobeying orders.

My version:

1. The kid had a legitimate right to be in the library: HE WAS A STUDENT!

2. He resisted the student-cops authority to check up on him. Here you can go the easy way and dismiss him as a brat. Or you can take his screams into context and think that what he did is called DISSENT. Dissent against the police state mentality which permeates every aspect of life in the USA under the terror-culture. Dissent against the paranoia of constant policing and repression while the real threats of the world exist outside the peoples, in their governments.

3. He WAS LEAVING the building (he was very explicit on that) when the big cops started HARASSING him because they are brain dead idiots who never miss a chance to demonstrate their power. The coppers were NOT PROTECTING anyone. Just wanted to break the "brat with the bigmouth" who dared resist their thugish manners.

4. He yelled "I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION" after the first charge on him. Now you may claim he was lieing but how swinish his aggressors were to take the risk of him telling the truth?

They could have killed the kid. And for what? Blasted "OBEDIENCE"! Just so that the majority of you can continue to maintain your constipated "lawfullness" up your arse, the one which fosters your puny delusions on "safety".