Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers (Multiple times)

[canadageek]

the easy way to train cops in the use of tasers is to taser them. you're going to be a bit more lenient with tasers if you know how much it hurts (i was voluntarily taser'd) same with pepper spray. and riot gas. here in canada, all RCMP officers are exposed to their equipment. all of it. (well, they aren't shot, thats a bit hardcore)

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

UCLA is going to be broke soon.

 

[JD50]

Aelius,

I'm glad you never became a CO, you would have gotten a lot of good people hurt with your attitude. Tasers are a great tool because it prevents the Officer from having to get in a fight. If the person is disobeying and resisting arrest you have every right to taze him. If its a decision between tasing someone or fighting them then the Officer should use the taser, it is safer for him and the suspect.

Unlike you I was a Police Officer, thats great that you "studied" the use of force model, but thats all it is, a model. When you have had to actually deal with this kind of thing in the real world then you can come back and act like an expert on the subject.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: JD50
Aelius,

I'm glad you never became a CO, you would have gotten a lot of good people hurt with your attitude. Tasers are a great tool because it prevents the Officer from having to get in a fight. If the person is disobeying and resisting arrest you have every right to taze him. If its a decision between tasing someone or fighting them then the Officer should use the taser, it is safer for him and the suspect.

Unlike you I was a Police Officer, thats great that you "studied" the use of force model, but thats all it is, a model. When you have had to actually deal with this kind of thing in the real world then you can come back and act like an expert on the subject.

People keep putting up strawmen by saying I claim to be an expert. All I can say is WTF? Seriously, reading comprehension 101 is just down the hall.

A tazer is not a replacement for the officer's use of ANY force. Which is what you just implied. I think what you probably meant is that if the officer needs to use it on a violent person then a tazer is far better vs using physical force. You and I agree if that's what you were trying to say.

Just because someone is disobaying or even actively resisting arrest (read: not actually using ANY force against the officer but rather something like going into a ball and not letting the officer straighten his arm and get him up) does NOT mean you can punch and kick him. It's the same level of use of force when using a tazer. People like you should know that and not have to be told.

If you think its OK, and you seem to think so, then you plain sucked as an officer and I would have lost my job as a CO if I acted as you suggest. I asked several ex COs about use of force in Canada and at least in prisons it is very much enforced. Not so much in police forces.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Aelius
Another example of the militarization of the police force.

This sort of brutality is usually found in the military conducting security and not your local police force that's supposed to "...protect and serve...".

I have seen similar instances with people not obaying an officer during a DUI arrest and get tazed multiple times.

If you cannot see the wrong in this action you need to check your morality meter.

He brought it all on to himself. If you disobey a police officer, they can use non leathel force to detain you. The guy was being a douchebag, disobeying the officers repeatedly. This is not a case of police brutality.

:thumbsup:

This is simple, when a cop tells you to do something, you do it. I don't know why people think it's ok to disrespect them or disobey their direct orders. That's how people get shot. Now that we have tasers we can just use that instead, it's a much better alternative to what we had before, it's safer for the officer and the perp.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
So what would you do to several armed police officers? Seriously what action could you take other then recording or reporting the incident? Oh and looking at the video the guy wouldn't follow directions given by the police officers and was warned several times to stand up. It may seem ugly but anyone who refuses to follow directions is bringing this situation upon themselves.

PS. He was asked to leave the computer lab when he could not produce any id to prove that he was a student at the school. He started acting up when a officer put his hand on his arm as he was being escorted. This guy brought this onto himself. If he had the strength to scream out and make statements like he did then he should of had the strength to get up and walk out like he did after they left the building according the officers in the articles you posted.

<German accent> Where are your papers? <accent off>

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Aelius
Another example of the militarization of the police force.

This sort of brutality is usually found in the military conducting security and not your local police force that's supposed to "...protect and serve...".

I have seen similar instances with people not obaying an officer during a DUI arrest and get tazed multiple times.

If you cannot see the wrong in this action you need to check your morality meter.

He brought it all on to himself. If you disobey a police officer, they can use non leathel force to detain you. The guy was being a douchebag, disobeying the officers repeatedly. This is not a case of police brutality.

:thumbsup:

This is simple, when a cop tells you to do something, you do it. I don't know why people think it's ok to disrespect them or disobey their direct orders. That's how people get shot. Now that we have tasers we can just use that instead, it's a much better alternative to what we had before, it's safer for the officer and the perp.

How can you be a "perp" because you simply don't produce papers?

<german accent> Where are your papers? <accent off>

 

[EagleKeeper]

The idiot refused to show the identification that was required to be in the building.

That changes the status from innocent/student to problem/perpertrator of trouble.

 

[Specop 007]

HAHAHA! I LOVE it. I love watching people get tazed!

Know whay? Because, if your civil and polite and listen to the guy with the badge, YOU WONT GET TAZED! In other words, only dumbasses and jackasses get the zap zap. From the video, this guy is both. Hes way over the line, screaming and yelling. Then, he refuses to comply with the officers request. How many times do i hear "stand up...stand up".

People need to realize the tazer is a LESS THEN LETHAL solution to problems. Would you prefer the guy gets a face full of mace? Or maybe they should yank out the batons and just beat his ass.

Oh I've got it. Lets just make our police stand there and use harsh words. Hell, we can give them blue helmets too.

Point is, no matter if your right or wrong or think your right or wrong when the police ask you to do something YOU DO IT. If you think your rights have been violated thats when you stand in front of a judge. If the police ask you to do something, you do it. If you think the request is in violation of your rights, stand in front of a judge. If the police ask you to leave an area, you leave the area. If you think your rights have been violated you stand in front of a judge.

This guy obviously has a problem with authority. He repeatedly refused the officers request (Right or wrong), he repeated became extremely agitated (possible threat in the officers eyes) and he got what anyone would get. A little bit o juice from the zap zap gun.

What he SHOULD have done was make his little 2 or 3 sentence scene, turn around and walk out and contact an attorney. He didnt, he got his ass zapped.

And it gave me much amusement.

 

[OutHouse]

Repost. Got to OT there is a thread there with over 475 replies in it.

 

[Phokus]

Good god, the 'pro-taser' crowd is fvcking retarded... once you're tased your muscles are basically immobilized.

Please explain the logic of:

*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"

And once they handcuff him after the 3rd taser, they DEFINETELY should not tase him anymore.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Good god, the 'pro-taser' crowd is fvcking retarded... once you're tased your muscles are basically immobilized.

Please explain the logic of:

*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"

And once they handcuff him after the 3rd taser, they DEFINETELY should not tase him anymore.

Ok you've convinced me to see the error of my ways, tasing him was definitely not the right choice, they should have shot him.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Phokus
Good god, the 'pro-taser' crowd is fvcking retarded... once you're tased your muscles are basically immobilized.

Please explain the logic of:

*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"

And once they handcuff him after the 3rd taser, they DEFINETELY should not tase him anymore.

Ok you've convinced me to see the error of my ways, tasing him was definitely not the right choice, they should have shot him.

:laugh:

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Phokus
Good god, the 'pro-taser' crowd is fvcking retarded... once you're tased your muscles are basically immobilized.

Please explain the logic of:

*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"
*ZAP* "ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
"STAND UP! STAND UP STAND UP!"

And once they handcuff him after the 3rd taser, they DEFINETELY should not tase him anymore.

Ok you've convinced me to see the error of my ways, tasing him was definitely not the right choice, they should have shot him.

:laugh::thumbsup:

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Aelius
Another example of the militarization of the police force.

This sort of brutality is usually found in the military conducting security and not your local police force that's supposed to "...protect and serve...".

I have seen similar instances with people not obaying an officer during a DUI arrest and get tazed multiple times.

If you cannot see the wrong in this action you need to check your morality meter.

He brought it all on to himself. If you disobey a police officer, they can use non leathel force to detain you. The guy was being a douchebag, disobeying the officers repeatedly. This is not a case of police brutality.

:thumbsup:

This is simple, when a cop tells you to do something, you do it. I don't know why people think it's ok to disrespect them or disobey their direct orders. That's how people get shot. Now that we have tasers we can just use that instead, it's a much better alternative to what we had before, it's safer for the officer and the perp.

How can you be a "perp" because you simply don't produce papers?

<german accent> Where are your papers? <accent off>

Because it's restricted property? Are you that retarded? (rhetorical question, don't answer)

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Aelius
Another example of the militarization of the police force.

This sort of brutality is usually found in the military conducting security and not your local police force that's supposed to "...protect and serve...".

I have seen similar instances with people not obaying an officer during a DUI arrest and get tazed multiple times.

If you cannot see the wrong in this action you need to check your morality meter.

He brought it all on to himself. If you disobey a police officer, they can use non leathel force to detain you. The guy was being a douchebag, disobeying the officers repeatedly. This is not a case of police brutality.

:thumbsup:

This is simple, when a cop tells you to do something, you do it. I don't know why people think it's ok to disrespect them or disobey their direct orders. That's how people get shot. Now that we have tasers we can just use that instead, it's a much better alternative to what we had before, it's safer for the officer and the perp.

How can you be a "perp" because you simply don't produce papers?

<german accent> Where are your papers? <accent off>

Because it's restricted property? Are you that retarded? (rhetorical question, don't answer)

Exactly. Its private property, all bets are off at that point.

 

[Zebo]

Nut thinks he's a lawyer. Disobying lawful orders.. Cusing and stuff too.... he's lucky he wasnt shot. This is why I could'nt be a cop.

Kinder gentler cops talk way too much. "Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up"...ad nauseum

 

[Arkaign]

Kid was an idiot

The cops were idiots, improperly trained.

emotions too high strung all the way around on this one.

At the point where the kid offered physical resistance, which risks escalating the conflict into something deadly (the officer must be prepared for him doing something drastic, like trying to grab his sidearm), the officers (who overwhelmingly had the upper hand) should have IMMEDIATELY flipped him, cuffed him, and carried him out. End of story, let him cool off while in holding, and that's it.

I have great respect for law enforcement, but I'm afraid that the standard keeps lowering for this field. The dumbing down of our society at large is producing an 'us-vs-them' attitude on both sides of the badge, and many who wear that honor care more about a stack of benefits (health, retirement, decent pay, cops have it much better off than you think!) and being able to push people around, than actually serving the public which pays their wages. I say this in general, but that doesn't take away from the inspiring sacrifice and ethics of a great many officers in our nation today. It varies drastically from area to area, and our finest are so because of training and leadership from above. Without that vector of success, you get the dangerous unprofessionalism that is evidenced by this incident.

 

[senseamp]

As CA taxpayer paying these morons' salaries, I hope they get fired and stripped of benefits. If I go to use the UC library, which my taxes also pay for, I don't deserve to be tazered multiple times. If I ask these morons for their badge number, I don't deserve to be threatened with a taser. These guys are on a power trip, and they need to be checked. You don't stop them now, they'll start murdering people like some of these other cases. They aren't entitled to the job. If UC community doesn't want them around, they should be let go.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
the officers (who overwhelmingly had the upper hand) should have IMMEDIATELY flipped him, cuffed him, and carried him out. End of story, let him cool off while in holding, and that's it..

Thats what I was thinking.. Same thing in Rodney king thing. Dog pile him hog tie him and stuff him in police car. 30 seconds, done.

Maybe they are afriad of getting too close to suspects because they are armed and suspect may get thier weapon. Most cops are built pretty good so it's not like they can't man handle one guy. They instead use this taser crap which just seems to make suspect less compliant everytime I've seen such a video. Either suspects muscles can't do what cops ask or it just pisses them off to the point of non cooperation. Either way looks bad when caught on film and they need to act faster to prevent surround crowd from becoming a problem too like we saw in this video.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nut thinks he's a lawyer. Disobying lawful orders.. Cusing and stuff too.... he's lucky he wasnt shot. This is why I could'nt be a cop.

Kinder gentler cops talk way too much. "Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up""Stand up"...ad nauseum

Nice strawman.

Use of force is supposed to match the actions or inactions of the suspect. It's supposed to be a balanced scale. You are suggesting that it's either a feather or a 75lb cement block on the scale.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Arkaign
the officers (who overwhelmingly had the upper hand) should have IMMEDIATELY flipped him, cuffed him, and carried him out. End of story, let him cool off while in holding, and that's it..

Thats what I was thinking.. Same thing in Rodney king thing. Dog pile him hog tie him and stuff him in police car. 30 seconds, done.

Maybe they are afriad of getting too close to suspects because they are armed and suspect may get thier weapon. Most cops are built pretty good so it's not like they can't man handle one guy. They instead use this taser crap which just seems to make suspect less compliant everytime I've seen such a video. Either suspects muscles can't do what cops ask or it just pisses them off to the point of non cooperation. Either way looks bad when caught on film and they need to act faster to prevent surround crowd from becoming a problem too like we saw in this video.

Yep, I agree 100%. I don't think the cops in question here were deliberately trying to torture someone or anything so drastic. I think tempers were flaring, and very poor decisions were made. I am all for a respect for the badge and the risks that go with such a job, but this was a poor showing.

The way it was handled, it definitely could have escalated into something where someone was truly hurt. As time went on without resolving the issue, the crowd become more agitated, it's very fortunate that something horrible didn't transpire.

Correct response from police; don't resort to untimely slow brutality (tazer, give obviously ignored verbal commands, rinse, repeat), as it's obvously a dangerous waste of precious time. Contain and remove the subject immediately. Cuff and carry, done.

 

[Red Dawn]

Disobeying an order by Cops is stupid, even if they are assholes telling them so isn't going to do you any good as this dumb ass learned. Even if he was right (which is up for question) he still got tasered.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Arkaign
the officers (who overwhelmingly had the upper hand) should have IMMEDIATELY flipped him, cuffed him, and carried him out. End of story, let him cool off while in holding, and that's it..

Thats what I was thinking.. Same thing in Rodney king thing. Dog pile him hog tie him and stuff him in police car. 30 seconds, done.

Maybe they are afriad of getting too close to suspects because they are armed and suspect may get thier weapon. Most cops are built pretty good so it's not like they can't man handle one guy. They instead use this taser crap which just seems to make suspect less compliant everytime I've seen such a video. Either suspects muscles can't do what cops ask or it just pisses them off to the point of non cooperation. Either way looks bad when caught on film and they need to act faster to prevent surround crowd from becoming a problem too like we saw in this video.

Now this I 100% agree with.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: senseamp
As CA taxpayer paying these morons' salaries, I hope they get fired and stripped of benefits. If I go to use the UC library, which my taxes also pay for, I don't deserve to be tazered multiple times. If I ask these morons for their badge number, I don't deserve to be threatened with a taser. These guys are on a power trip, and they need to be checked. You don't stop them now, they'll start murdering people like some of these other cases. They aren't entitled to the job. If UC community doesn't want them around, they should be let go.

Funny I've never had a problem with cops and I used to be a real live hell raiser not like this little weasel.. school fights... DWI..bar fights etc... Most of the time they let me off due to my pleasing disposition One cop made me dump a whole 12 pack of beer in gutter on senior skip day as we were trolling for girls in my jeep with open containers. The key is being respectful, poltie, calm, total cooperation.. I like cops so much I'm a FOP and other police support member today.