Student Says He Was Suspended After Refusing To 'Stomp On Jesus'

[Juror No. 8]

the goal is to have the individual examine their hesitation and the reasons why they hesitate.

That might be the stated goal of the exercise, but I'm not necessarily convinced it's the real goal. Potentially offending people at the outset of the exercise, whether their beliefs are right or wrong, doesn't seem very constructive to me.

Not buying any of that "having the individual examine" bullshit.

 

[Juror No. 8]

The student wasn't offended by 'stomping on paper'.

You're beating yourself here...

If he wasn't offended by stomping on paper, then why didn't he just do it?

Sorry, looks to me like you're getting flogged.

 

[desura]

I seriously doubt that a professor really asked this of the guy. I've been on college campuses...no one but conservative christians are stirring up shit. The only time people get anti-christian is when they get in arguments with christian agitators.

 

[3chordcharlie]

If he wasn't offended by stomping on paper, then why didn't he just do it?

Sorry, looks to me like you're getting flogged.

You realize that stomping on paper wasn't the issue the student raised, yes?

No?

REALLY?

You have to have an honest conversation or there's no point. I suspect you, along with the student in the story, do not belong in an Intercultural Communications class.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I seriously doubt that a professor really asked this of the guy. I've been on college campuses...no one but conservative christians are stirring up shit. The only time people get anti-christian is when they get in arguments with christian agitators.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire 'writing Jesus on a piece of paper and stomping on it' was a 'thought-experiment' that no one actually performed. But it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, so I choose to take the story at face value.

I also strongly doubt that simply refusing to take part lead to a suspension; I'm guessing the student was considerably more disruptive than that.

 

[monovillage]

I seriously doubt that a professor really asked this of the guy. I've been on college campuses...no one but conservative christians are stirring up shit. The only time people get anti-christian is when they get in arguments with christian agitators.

lol, at "christian agitators".

 

[Juror No. 8]

You realize that stomping on paper wasn't the issue the student raised, yes?

No?

REALLY?

You have to have an honest conversation or there's no point. I suspect you, along with the student in the story, do not belong in an Intercultural Communications class.

If stomping on paper wasn't the issue, why didn't the student just do it?

That's an honest question. Now why can't you answer it?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

If he wasn't offended by stomping on paper, then why didn't he just do it?

Sorry, looks to me like you're getting flogged.

You're being too simplistic. People get hung up on symbols. Some symbols more than others. Do you get upset if someone sits on the hood of your car, touches your monitor, burns your flag, cusses your mother, spills a drink on your chair/sofa, points and laughs at you? You need to try and see from another's perspective to gain any insight.

 

[3chordcharlie]

If stomping on paper wasn't the issue, why didn't the student just do it?

That's an honest question. Now why can't you answer it?

No, it isn't.

In fairness, the professor could have accomplished a similar thing by having the students draw flags on the paper instead. That's probably the 'example' I would have used, and more likely, I'd have done it on a big piece of paper before I said anything, at the start of class.

 

[Lanyap]

If Muhammed's name was on it, this wouldn't have been a thread by you.

If Muhammed's name was on it, someone would have died.

 

[Juror No. 8]

No, it isn't.

In fairness, the professor could have accomplished a similar thing by having the students draw flags on the paper instead. That's probably the 'example' I would have used, and more likely, I'd have done it on a big piece of paper before I said anything, at the start of class.

Still can't answer the question, eh? Must be a tough one.

Probably one too many "intercultural communications" classes for you.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Still can't answer the question, eh? Must be a tough one.

Probably one too many "intercultural communications" classes for you.

Answer what question?

I imagine if it had been cardboard, or a T-shirt, and everything else the same it would have been the same issue?

So no, the paper isn't significant.

Edit - your 'game' is not clever. So give up!

 

[Juror No. 8]

Answer what question?

I imagine if it had been cardboard, or a T-shirt, and everything else the same it would have been the same issue?

So no, the paper isn't significant.

Edit - your 'game' is not clever. So give up!

So you replace the paper with cardboard or a T-shirt. OK, now we're getting somewhere.

Can you explain how stomping on those items is in any way educational, regardless of what's written on them? I can understand stomping up and down if you're in a class that teaches about bug extermination, but that's about it.

Can you explain this type of moronic lesson plan?

 

[3chordcharlie]

So you replace the paper with cardboard or a T-shirt. OK, now we're getting somewhere.

Can you explain how stomping on those items is in any way educational, regardless of what's written on them? I can understand stomping up and down if you're in a class that teaches about bug extermination, but that's about it.

Can you explain this type of moronic lesson plan?

You are not being clever. I know you think you are.

The emotional response is the catalyst for the rest of the lesson, which could be about tolerance, relativism, misunderstandings, etc.

I've played along much longer than I should here. You would benefit from the course in the OP, even if you disagreed with all of the material, but I doubt you would be capable of comprehending it.

 

[desura]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire 'writing Jesus on a piece of paper and stomping on it' was a 'thought-experiment' that no one actually performed. But it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, so I choose to take the story at face value.

I also strongly doubt that simply refusing to take part lead to a suspension; I'm guessing the student was considerably more disruptive than that.

It was probably more like, "take what *you* value most of all and stomp on it."

and the mormon dude though, "jesus!"

 

[Juror No. 8]

The emotional response is the catalyst for the rest of the lesson, which could be about tolerance, relativism, misunderstandings, etc.

Ah, I see. So it's education based on emotion instead of reason. Reaching people through logic and facts is out. That's the old way of doing things. In the Brave New World of Big Government education, we're going to reach them by offending them.

That should work wonders on the dumbing down of society!

 

[SheHateMe]

I seriously doubt that a professor really asked this of the guy. I've been on college campuses...no one but conservative christians are stirring up shit. The only time people get anti-christian is when they get in arguments with christian agitators.

We have a group of Conservative Christians who come to campus every week on Monday to tell everyone that they're going to hell.

They've even gone so far as to heckle a group of Muslim International students as they were standing outside of the hall smoking cigarettes together and chatting. Freshman year, they were heckling a Catholic kid that tried to challenge them then and there by whipping out his bible and trying to clarify some of the bible verses they were using for their shenanigans.

Oh, btw, none of these people actually go to this University. They are from a local church that looks mainly for younger generation members.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnQAFfycf3U Same guy coming out....every week.

 

[BoomerD]

Seems appropriate to me. Obviously, the Mormon mis-understood the professor's instructions. He wasn't supposed to write "Jesus," (gee-zus) He was supposed to write "Jesus." (Hay-sus)
Refusal to do so showed that he doesn't support the conservative line against illegal immigration...and he doesn't deserve to receive higher education.

 

[Incorruptible]

Good news! The university has reversed the decision and he wont be suspended. This is a win for him and all the other Christians who are attacked in university.

 

[SheHateMe]

Good news! The university has reversed the decision and he wont be suspended. This is a win for him and all the other Christians who are attacked in university.

How is it a win? His claims were never substantiated. They revoked his suspension...it doesn't mean he wasn't lying.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So the defense for the university's actions is that the student was lying about what happened, correct?

 

[Brainonska511]

So the defense for the university's actions is that the student was lying about what happened, correct?

No, the defense of the University is that we don't have all the necessary information to pass judgement.

 

[SheHateMe]

So the defense for the university's actions is that the student was lying about what happened, correct?

There are two sides to every story. The Christian version and the truth.

 

[BoomerD]

There are two sides to every story. The Christian version and the truth.

 

[OutHouse]

Yea more Christian bashing, its still all the rage.