Student Loan Forgiveness is Set to Expire: This is Going to be Painful for Many!

[dainthomas]

Do it SCOTUS. You helped the Democrats immensely with Dobbs, why stop there?

The backlash will only accelerate against republicans. They've gotten too far out over their skis, and have no way to stop it. McConnel and Roberts both saw this coming regarding the Dobbs decision.

 

[fskimospy]

The backlash will only accelerate against republicans. They've gotten too far out over their skis, and have no way to stop it. McConnel and Roberts both saw this coming regarding the Dobbs decision.

This is just emblematic of the larger problem of the major questions doctrine and why the court needs to be expanded until they abolish it.

As things stand now SCOTUS is a super legislature that vetoes any policies they politically disagree with. In oral arguments today conservatives were complaining that the action was unfair as it applied to some people and not others. Who gives a shit? It’s not their job to care of something is fair or not! There’s no ‘fair’ in the constitution.

 

[FelixDeCat]

There is no "emergency". This was just a risky scheme to buy votes. Brandon has no authority to do this. Even then, dismissing debt is no way to handle any emergency.

If you like, feel free to ruin your credit and file for bankruptcy.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

It is not actually possible to pull yourself up this way:

The Origins of the Phrase “Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps”

The phrase “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” originated shortly before the turn of the 20th century. It’s attributed to a late-1800s physics schoolbook that contained the exam…

uselessetymology.com

People who need hand outs should consider putting one foot in front of the other until they reach an employment office so they can get another job to help repay their student debt.

 

[fskimospy]

There is no "emergency". This was just a risky scheme to buy votes. He has no authority to do this. Even then, dismissing debt is no way to handle any emergency.

If you like, feel free to ruin your credit and file for bankruptcy.

I love how people like you want laws to be cost until they say things you don’t like.

If you don’t like it pass a new law. It’s time for you guys to grow up.

 

[K1052]

I figured the conservatives on the court could come up with something a little better than "that's not fair" or "congress meant this relief but not that relief because reasons I think even though the law doesn't say that".

Clearly I still think too much of these people.

 

[Brainonska511]

I figured the conservatives on the court could come up with something a little better than "that's not fair" or "congress meant this relief but not that relief because reasons I think even though the law doesn't say that".

Clearly I still think too much of these people.

The "not fair" hypotheticals floated, like how it wouldn't be fair to someone who took out a loan to start a lawn care business instead of going to college, were just stupid. Like, sure, that person may also be debt burdened, but under the law, the Secretary of Education can't do anything about that person's non-educational loan. It's just totally disconnected from the issue at hand.

 

[Zorba]

There is no "emergency". This was just a risky scheme to buy votes. Brandon has no authority to do this. Even then, dismissing debt is no way to handle any emergency.

If you like, feel free to ruin your credit and file for bankruptcy.

And yet you and millions of other conservatives have no problem with the government giving you a discount on your mortgage.

 

[Zorba]

The "not fair" hypotheticals floated, like how it wouldn't be fair to someone who took out a loan to start a lawn care business instead of going to college, were just stupid. Like, sure, that person may also be debt burdened, but under the law, the Secretary of Education can't do anything about that person's non-educational loan. It's just totally disconnected from the issue at hand.

And that person can either liquidate his business or go through bankruptcy to get out of the debt, which can not be done with student loans.

 

[brycejones]

And yet you and millions of other conservatives have no problem with the government giving you a discount on your mortgage.

Or republicans who didn’t need paycheck protection loans taking them out anyway.

 

[Dave_5k]

Or republicans who didn’t need paycheck protection loans taking them out anyway.

republicans who "didn't need" and many of whom lied or fudged facts to get the free money... unlike the ever trustworthy Santos, who at least in his own words claimed, "I’m not a criminal who defrauded the entire country"

 

[Roger Wilco]

Confident that it’s legal, but not terribly confident that it’ll happen.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630569004594020354

 

[uclaLabrat]

The "not fair" hypotheticals floated, like how it wouldn't be fair to someone who took out a loan to start a lawn care business instead of going to college, were just stupid. Like, sure, that person may also be debt burdened, but under the law, the Secretary of Education can't do anything about that person's non-educational loan. It's just totally disconnected from the issue at hand.

Someone needs to remind those clowns that someone who took out a loan for their lawn care business already had that shit forgiven and these clowns need to stop fucking around.

 

[Pohemi]

In oral arguments today conservatives were complaining that the action was unfair as it applied to some people and not others. Who gives a shit? It’s not their job to care of something is fair or not! There’s no ‘fair’ in the constitution.

Translation of their claims: "It isn't fair that WE had to pay OUR student debt and now people want theirs forgiven."

For evidence, see Justice Thomas' previous statements from years ago about his student debt.

 

[fskimospy]

Translation of their claims: "It isn't fair that WE had to pay OUR student debt and now people want theirs forgiven."

For evidence, see Justice Thomas' previous statements from years ago about his student debt.

I get their argument, it’s just unprofessional of them to say it. Their job is not to determine if federal policy is a good idea or fair.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I get their argument, it’s just unprofessional of them to say it. Their job is not to determine if federal policy is a good idea or fair.

I mean, it wasn't fair that they got average housing at 1/4th net monthly income. Maybe we should start trading blows on fairness with the boomer generation.

 

[brycejones]

I mean, it wasn't fair that they got average housing at 1/4th net monthly income. Maybe we should start trading blows on fairness with the boomer generation.

They also had much less expensive college education because states covered a much higher percentage of higher education. Then boomers made it harder to build and pushed for tax and spending cuts. That FYGM generation has fucked over every generation after them.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It is not actually possible to pull yourself up this way:

The Origins of the Phrase “Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps”

The phrase “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” originated shortly before the turn of the 20th century. It’s attributed to a late-1800s physics schoolbook that contained the exam…

uselessetymology.com

People who need hand outs should consider putting one foot in front of the other until they reach an employment office so they can get another job to help repay their student debt.

This is just funny given how many of the loudest "conservatives" screaming about this got hundreds of thousands in PPP loans forgiven. They don't care about handouts unless it is to the others.

 

[Mai72]

College tuition needs to be reigned in. IMO, this is the real culprit. Even if the Biden Admin wiped out student debt for everyone the issue still remains.

College is just too damn expensive.

 

[ch33zw1z]

College tuition needs to be reigned in. IMO, this is the real culprit. Even if the Biden Admin wiped out student debt for everyone the issue still remains.

College is just too damn expensive.

yes, costs not just tuition. IMO, state colleges should be tax payer funded 100% for the first four years at least, and maybe more!

 

[fskimospy]

College tuition needs to be reigned in. IMO, this is the real culprit. Even if the Biden Admin wiped out student debt for everyone the issue still remains.

College is just too damn expensive.

This is why I'm not a fan of the forgiveness plan - student debt will just come back.

That being said, SCOTUS is still wildly out of line here. 'I think this policy is bad' is not a valid basis to strike something down but they've forgotten their place.

 

[Brainonska511]

yes, costs not just tuition. IMO, state colleges should be tax payer funded 100% for the first four years at least, and maybe more!

I don't know if they need to be 100% free for students for the first 4 years (having some nominal out-of-pocket cost to a student shouldn't be a big deal), but we do need to bring down costs. State colleges and universities need additional funding to both cut costs for students and allow for massive increases in enrollment. The latter can help put pricing pressure on private colleges and universities.

However, I also think that's a realitively distinct topic from the current student loan forgiveness plan and something that will require legislation to fix. I'm sure republicans will get right on that legislation part... any day now...

 

[MrSquished]

This is why I'm not a fan of the forgiveness plan - student debt will just come back.

That being said, SCOTUS is still wildly out of line here. 'I think this policy is bad' is not a valid basis to strike something down but they've forgotten their place.

Which is why in another 5 years if they have a more competent fascist in the White House, it is quite possible they will help to overthrow democracy then. Trump was not the right vehicle though. He was a rash and trashy buffoon. He did enough damage though.

 

[fskimospy]

Which is why in another 5 years if they have a more competent fascist in the White House, it is quite possible they will help to overthrow democracy then. Trump was not the right vehicle though. He was a rash and trashy buffoon. He did enough damage though.

I personally view SCOTUS not intervening to help overthrow democracy as evidence that they will not intervene to help overthrow democracy but as you constantly, tiresomely remind us you view things differently.

 

[MrSquished]

I personally view SCOTUS not intervening to help overthrow democracy as evidence that they will not intervene to help overthrow democracy but as you constantly, tiresomely remind us you view things differently.

Well I kind of have to, because there are people that are so out of touch with reality they think people like Ron DeSantis respect our core institutions and values.