Student Loan Forgiveness is Set to Expire: This is Going to be Painful for Many!

[Roger Wilco]

I just finished paying mine off and I can’t imagine being pathetic enough to be against this. Conservatives are a bunch of tiny dicked snowflakes.

 

[eelw]

Really don’t get it. ACB already rejected one case for no standing. Why are any of these others being considered? And this new one to just outright say it’s illegal.

 

[Captante]

Really don’t get it. ACB already rejected one case for no standing. Why are any of these others being considered? And this new one to just outright say it’s illegal.

Because the judges making these decisions are biased and by definition are not qualified.

Further the LAST thing the GOP wants is MORE highly educated people running around out there voting Democrat. (as they tend to do)

 

[zinfamous]

The fact that so many people feel so entitled to other peoples hard earned money is sad, and frankly pathetic. Nobody made them sign up for college, or make other poor life choices.

Making middle class Americans pay for upper class peoples degrees is the height of elitism.

Fuck you're dumb.

Looks like that degree from Knoxville was your own personal version of a poor life decision.

 

[zinfamous]

I love how conservative "judges" keep declaring extremely popular policies as unconstitutional just to shut it down.

Using their own arguments from all directions, one might deign to ask them where, exactly, in the constitution is it stated that the federal government can provide loans to service college tuition?

Doesn't all of this stuff need to be explicitly stated in the constitution, for it ever to be unconstitutional? I'm only asking this because this is the only argument that conservatives ever make when they try to piss the word "constitution" out of their mouths just before something completely idiotic inevitably follows.

 

[Moonbeam]

Fuck you're dumb.

Looks like that degree from Knoxville was your own personal version of a poor life decision.

The most important thing in a person's life, in my opinion, is their self worth because it is the one thing we were taught is conditional on what moral values we hold. A person molded in that way, to regard some forms of thinking to be good thinking and some forms of it to be bad, will be able to withstand almost any evidence that his or her early childhood conditioning was a castle built on sand. This is why you will find so many people who only reeducate their thinking after bottoming out, having experienced, perhaps some near death experience or rejection by someone loved. I see very little evidence, myself, that a so called education has much effect. A liberal arts education focused on critical thinking, analysis, and required argumentation to defend various positions, perhaps. But most people take a degree as a requirement just to make more money to life their ego dreams. It's something they endure. Competition and the lust for grades can destroy the love of learning. Politics if full of people like that. The reward for education in our society, in my opinion, too often to fulfill personal ambition.

And since an education is valued for the prestige it gives to the notion of the value of the person who has one, it is natural on one end of the spectrum for those without to despise those who have one, and visa versa. Too many people with degrees cheapen the prized exclusivity. Any division of society is, of course, ripe for exploitation.

Naturally also, any conservative thinking, thinking that treasures conformity to inculcated conservative thinking, namely so called Christian schools, will become the sacred cows of proper education. For them a real critical thinking, science and psychologically introspective education will present a major threat and one people who pursue should properly suffer for.

 

[Mai72]

Biden's student debt relief might be heading to the Supreme Court. If this happens, we can probably kiss the debt relief goodbye. Its not going to make it out of the Supreme Court sadly. We have to wait and see I guess.

 

[K1052]

Biden's student debt relief might be heading to the Supreme Court. If this happens, we can probably kiss the debt relief goodbye. Its not going to make it out of the Supreme Court sadly. We have to wait and see I guess.

Sure and if SCOTUS wants to can it the Rs will have to again take more political heat from younger voters who seem to have come out in droves against them in the midterms. Getting what they want in court has translated to substantial political liabilities even though they said it wouldn't happen this way.

 

[Mai72]

Sure and if SCOTUS wants to can it the Rs will have to again take more political heat from younger voters who seem to have come out in droves against them in the midterms. Getting what they want in court has translated to substantial political liabilities even though they said it wouldn't happen this way.

Yea. Looks like the antics of Trump and the decision of Roe vs Wade are costing Republicans big. They should had easily this midterm. Especially with inflation (high cost of food and gas) and the economy. Instead, they are fighting it out in Arizona over the last spot in the House. Which might still go to the Democrats. Its still too early to tell.

 

[iRONic]

Biden's student debt relief might be heading to the Supreme Court. If this happens, we can probably kiss the debt relief goodbye. Its not going to make it out of the Supreme Court sadly. We have to wait and see I guess.

ACB has rejected it twice already.

On November 4, the United States Supreme Court rejected a second request to block President Joe Biden's student debt relief program.

 

[iRONic]

Biden set to pause the payments again.

Biden to extend student loan repayment freeze as relief program is tied up in courts | CNN Politics

The Biden administration is yet again extending the pause on federal student loan payments, a benefit that began in March 2020 to help people who were struggling financially due to the Covid-19 pandemic, a source familiar with the plan said.

www.cnn.com

 

[dainthomas]

The fact that so many people feel so entitled to other peoples hard earned money is sad, and frankly pathetic. Nobody made them sign up for college, or make other poor life choices.

Making middle class Americans pay for upper class peoples degrees is the height of elitism.

Imagine thinking upper class people take out loans to go to school.

 

[balloonshark]

I finally received a reply about my loan application. The email title says the application was approved but the body says they are going to continue to review my eligibility. That's not exactly a clear message to someone who has been waiting since Oct. 17th.

Email title

Your Student Loan Debt Relief Application Has Been Approved

From Secretary Cardona: Lawsuits are preventing the U.S. Department of Education from implementing its one-time student loan debt relief program


My name,

This email provides you with an update on the one-time Student Loan Debt Relief plan that President Biden and I announced on August 24th.

We received your application or have the income information to process you for loan relief. You do not need to take any further action at this time.

Unfortunately, a number of lawsuits have been filed challenging the program, which have blocked our ability to discharge your debt at present. We believe strongly that the lawsuits are meritless, and the Department of Justice has appealed on our behalf. We will keep your application information and will continue our review of your eligibility if and when we prevail in court. We will update you when there are new developments.

The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to helping borrowers as they recover from the pandemic.

Education is a great equalizer, and we will never stop fighting for you!


In Service,

Miguel A. Cardona

U.S. Secretary of Education

 

[repoman0]

I finally received a reply about my loan application. The email title says the application was approved but the body says they are going to continue to review my eligibility. That's not exactly a clear message to someone who has been waiting since Oct. 17th.

Email title

The title of my email is ambiguous (not approved, just an update) but the body explicitly says it was approved. Seems like someone swapped which title goes with which body. Who knows which one is accurate!

 

[Homerboy]

I finally received a reply about my loan application. The email title says the application was approved but the body says they are going to continue to review my eligibility. That's not exactly a clear message to someone who has been waiting since Oct. 17th.

Email title

got the same email.
it's all up to the SC at this point. If they shoot it down, I want to figure out how to get PPP loans run past the SC too.

 

[Homerboy]

The title of my email is ambiguous (not approved, just an update) but the body explicitly says it was approved. Seems like someone swapped which title goes with which body. Who knows which one is accurate!

I dunno - it's clear that it's been approved IF the supreme court decides they can go through. Like saying "you qualify, if there's something to actually qualify for..."

 

[repoman0]

I dunno - it's clear that it's been approved IF the supreme court decides they can go through. Like saying "you qualify, if there's something to actually qualify for..."

No, I mean his email body says if the lawsuits prevail they will continue to process his application and collect information as needed. My email body says if the lawsuits prevail my application is approved and loan servicer has been notified.

 

[Meghan54]

I got the same email and I read it as I was approved and the DOE would continue to review my app to ensure I continued to remain approved....as there are income limits, etc., that could move you to the unapproved contingent.

 

[balloonshark]

I received a follow up email about the confusing email titles everyone received about their loan forgiveness status. In post #488 my email title said I had been approved. This is the new email.

Email Title:

CORRECTION: Status of Your Student Loan Debt Relief Application

Email Body:

Due to a vendor error, you recently received an email with a subject line indicating your application for the one-time Student Loan Debt Relief Plan had been approved. The subject line was inaccurate. The body of the previous email was accurate.

We have received your application but are not permitted to review your eligibility because of ongoing litigation. We will keep your application information and review your eligibility if and when we prevail in court.

We apologize for the confusion, and you do not need to take any further action at this time. We will keep you updated with any developments.

 

[Brainonska511]

For all that like to complain about people getting a handout - they seem awfully quiet when it comes to 529 plans:

The Rich Get College Subsidies While the Student Debt Debate Goes On (Published 2022)

As debt relief for student loan borrowers faces scrutiny, wealthy families can amass millions of dollars in tax-favored 529 college savings plans.

www.nytimes.com

 

[nickqt]

For all that like to complain about people getting a handout - they seem awfully quiet when it comes to 529 plans:

The Rich Get College Subsidies While the Student Debt Debate Goes On (Published 2022)

As debt relief for student loan borrowers faces scrutiny, wealthy families can amass millions of dollars in tax-favored 529 college savings plans.

www.nytimes.com

The rich already have money, and they never have enough money. So they buy politicians who enact laws to give them more money. It takes money to make money.

The poor have no money and yet are given too much money, so limiting the handouts they receive is a matter of morality. You gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

 

[MrSquished]

Conservatives are shit people, exhibit 7,893

 

[Dave_5k]

This is rather humorous, the conservative legislators on the supreme court were arguing today in favor of separation of power... and likely to rule on that basis against student loan relief, as they yet again rewrite yet another explicit congressional law in order to please conservatives.

SCOTUS could wield climate doctrine against debt relief

A Supreme Court battle over the administration's plan to forgive $400 billion in student loans could give new power to a doctrine the justices used to scrap

www.eenews.net

 

[fskimospy]

This is rather humorous, the conservative legislators on the supreme court were arguing today in favor of separation of power... and likely to rule on that basis against student loan relief, as they yet again rewrite yet another explicit congressional law in order to please conservatives.

SCOTUS could wield climate doctrine against debt relief

A Supreme Court battle over the administration's plan to forgive $400 billion in student loans could give new power to a doctrine the justices used to scrap

www.eenews.net

Yes, another case where the law is entirely clear and they are going to Calvinball their way to saying Congress didn't REALLY mean what it unambiguously said. The 'major questions' doctrine will probably strike again where the law authorizes the secretary to waive small amounts of loans but not large amounts of them without any basis in the law itself, they will just rewrite it.

That being said at least two of the conservatives seemed pretty skeptical of standing to bring the suit to begin with.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Do it SCOTUS. You helped the Democrats immensely with Dobbs, why stop there?