Student gets jailed for revealing DirectTV secrets

[tcsenter]

should the native americans be allowed to deport you?

They tried that. We won, they lost. Questions?

Your comments are offensive. You or your ancestors were immigrants or "guests" at one point or the other. Let's have a little compassion for a 19 year old kid. He is a human being, regardless of nationality.

I don't give a damn if my comments offend you, your stupidity offends me. I'm not talking about having him stripped naked, tied to a horse, and run through a cactus patch, as a 'warm-up' for the real punishment.

He is a GUEST in this country. If he is guilty of the crime alleged, he violated the terms of his stay here, and should be deported pronto, or perhaps serve a couple years in prison, then deported. Immigrants who commit crimes are not wanted here. Citizens who commit crimes are not wanted here, either, but we can't deport them any where.

and lets not turn this into Russians bashing. Cold war is over and Russians as a political entity have 0 interest in manipulating US economy in any way. Get off that RedScare pill and realize that it was an act of one very VERY VERY DUMB individual.

The Russians are not our "good friends", at this time they are our "former enemy", there is a difference. And yes the Russians still have an active intelligence agency, and yes the Russians are still engaging in espionage and spying, and yes the Russians would desperately love to have not only US government secrets but many trade secrets of US companies. You're simply an idiot if you believe, otherwise. Ever heard of Robert Hanssen you ignorant asswipe? How about Aldrich Ames? Does Harold Nicholson ring a bell?

Are you pretending to be so stupid or does this come entirely natural for you?

To TCsenter, you should be insensitive to anyone who commits crimes, not just immigrants who commit crimes. You shouldnt single out immigrants. Im an immigrant-turned US Citizen and I can assure you that I generate enough taxes to pay for a year of welfare for you and your family.

Yeah, sure, whatever. I highly doubt you're out of high school yet, judging by the tone and nature of your youthful and impetuous stupidity.

This thread isn't about all criminals, its about a Russian criminal. When I happen across a thread about all criminals, I'll chose to stop by. Till then, why don't you try kissing my ass?

 

[alphatarget1]

directv has better rates than cable and better quality

 

[SlowSS]

You do the crime, you do the time.

Look, he was 19 years old, old enough know what he was doing.

He got caught, now he need to face the consequence of his actions.

 

[QueHuong]

I wonder why would anyone still use DirecTV legally - the reception gets choppy as hell during stormy days.

 

[wfbberzerker]

he knew what he was doing, knew that it was illegal, and knew the consequences. in my eyes, he's no different from someone who steals tvs and sells them.

btw, i dont feel "forced" to use directv, especially since i have digital cable 😛

 

[vash]

Here's the thing about this guy and the situation. It would have been one thing to have gotten a card, reversed engineered and posted the results.

But NO. He was working for a company, that were shared PRIVATE documents from DirecTV. He then took those confidential documents and released them to the net. My problem with the case is this, even if he did share the NDA documents, he would be subject to a civil fine and not a criminal one. With the law he was charged under, he is definitely guilty (if he DID post the documents) and should be punished. With a good lawyer, he'll get out in a few years, but he will still probably go to prison.

vash

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: vash
Here's the thing about this guy and the situation. It would have been one thing to have gotten a card, reversed engineered and posted the results.

But NO. He was working for a company, that were shared PRIVATE documents from DirecTV. He then took those confidential documents and released them to the net. My problem with the case is this, even if he did share the NDA documents, he would be subject to a civil fine and not a criminal one. With the law he was charged under, he is definitely guilty (if he DID post the documents) and should be punished. With a good lawyer, he'll get out in a few years, but he will still probably go to prison.

vash

i think it's a criminal trial because he violated attorney/client privilege.

 

[SuperTool]

I am not saying he is guilty or not.
I am just saying that the prosecutors are chosing to prosecute Russians to play on the cold war mentality a little bit. It's them vs us type of thing.
If they went after some corn fed midwest boy, the jury might say it's just a little misunderstanding, but with the Russian, they would have an image of some Russian spy digging up US company secrets.
It's the same thing with Sklyarov, and same thing with Wen Ho Lee. They always pick on the Russians and Chinese to prosecute for this type of thing because it's more natural for Americans to think of russians as spys. At the same time Boeing and Hughes openly give the Chinese missile technology, and noone is arrested or prosecuted.

 

[tcsenter]

oops, wrong thread.

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: astartz

Hello -- he is a student. So what if he published a couple documents on the internet?

HE STOLE THEM

Information ought to be freely available to all.

Ok gime me your credit card number, home phone and address.

dont forget SSN, passport #, bank account #, debit cards, IP address, tax information, and your girlfriend's naked photos. Did i miss anything?

 

[vladgur]

Originally posted by: tcsenterThe Russians are not our "good friends", at this time they are our "former enemy", there is a difference. And yes the Russians still have an active intelligence agency, and yes the Russians are still engaging in espionage and spying, and yes the Russians would desperately love to have not only US government secrets but many trade secrets of US companies. You're simply an idiot if you believe, otherwise.

I dont believe that they are desperately trying to have trade secrets of US companies. You must be an idiot for not knowing the sad state of Russian industrial infrastructure at this point. I am sure Russians have an active intelligence agency just like any other developed country in this world. Intelligence business is what keeps the balance of powers in this world. If you know what the other guy knows and you let them know that you know that other guys loses the advantage and the war is prevented. Who know what would happened if Stalin believed its spy, Richard Sorge, that Hitler will invade Russia. I am pretty sure that US intelligence agencies has far more of its spies in other Russia, than Russia has in the US. This is a hunch based on comparison of budget that a US government can provide CIA with versus that of the Russian Intelligence Agency.

Now that went to the extremes of Russofobia and beyond, lets get back to the topic. You have a problem with immigrants and even more so with Russians. If anything, last couple years should have proved to you that your McCarthyism is not helping in finding the real enemies. Thanks for bringin up spy cases from almost 20 years ago, that was quite refreshing, I dont follow russian spy activity in my day-to-day life, but you, sophisticated asswipe, do.

To TCsenter, you should be insensitive to anyone who commits crimes, not just immigrants who commit crimes. You shouldnt single out immigrants. Im an immigrant-turned US Citizen and I can assure you that I generate enough taxes to pay for a year of welfare for you and your family.

Yeah, sure, whatever. I highly doubt you're out of high school yet, judging by the tone and nature of your youthful and impetuous stupidity.

Great argument my friend, denouncing someone to a high-school level never hurts in proving your point. Did you take a presidential debate class in Berkeley?

This thread isn't about all criminals, its about a Russian criminal. When I happen across a thread about all criminals, I'll chose to stop by. Till then, why don't you try kissing my ass?

Sure the guy happens to have russian name, russian parents. How do you know though he wasnt born here, how do you know where his loyalties lie? Did you forget that none of those spies that you named had russian names? I think its time for you to move out from your nuclear bunker that your parents build in they yard in the 50s and try to meet people youre fear so much.

 

[astartz]

dont forget SSN, passport #, bank account #, debit cards, IP address, tax information, and your girlfriend's naked photos. Did i miss anything?

Shoe size

 

[TNTrulez]

Boo

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I am not saying he is guilty or not.
I am just saying that the prosecutors are chosing to prosecute Russians to play on the cold war mentality a little bit. It's them vs us type of thing.
If they went after some corn fed midwest boy, the jury might say it's just a little misunderstanding, but with the Russian, they would have an image of some Russian spy digging up US company secrets.
It's the same thing with Sklyarov, and same thing with Wen Ho Lee. They always pick on the Russians and Chinese to prosecute for this type of thing because it's more natural for Americans to think of russians as spys.

I'm not going to get into his nationality, it doesn't matter to me...what matter is he clearly knew what he was doing, and he knew what he was doing was wrong.
Bottom line is he broke the law and he needs to face consequence of actions, just like you and me.

At the same time Boeing and Hughes openly give the Chinese missile technology, and noone is arrested or prosecuted.

You are wrong.

Hughes provided satellite and rocket technology to the China for space exploration. Before Boeing bought out Hughes.
Boeing is only on the charges because they are a parent company of Hughes right now.
Also, Big corporations who sell products overseas must clear/meet export control regulations through the state department.
Now, what China does with purchased product, seller has no control over it, whatsoever.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I am not saying he is guilty or not.
I am just saying that the prosecutors are chosing to prosecute Russians to play on the cold war mentality a little bit. It's them vs us type of thing.
If they went after some corn fed midwest boy, the jury might say it's just a little misunderstanding, but with the Russian, they would have an image of some Russian spy digging up US company secrets.
It's the same thing with Sklyarov, and same thing with Wen Ho Lee. They always pick on the Russians and Chinese to prosecute for this type of thing because it's more natural for Americans to think of russians as spys.

I'm not going to get into his nationality, it doesn't matter to me...what matter is he clearly knew what he was doing, and he knew what he was doing was wrong.
Bottom line is he broke the law and he needs to face consequence of actions, just like you and me.

That's true, but there is a thing called equal protection under the law. DOJ should not be singling out Russians for prosecution while letting others slide.

At the same time Boeing and Hughes openly give the Chinese missile technology, and noone is arrested or prosecuted.

You are wrong.

Hughes provided satellite and rocket technology to the China for space exploration. Before Boeing bought out Hughes.
Boeing is only on the charges because they are a parent company of Hughes right now.
Also, Big corporations who sell products overseas must clear/meet export control regulations through the state department.
Now, what China does with purchased product, seller has no control over it, whatsoever.

Fine, Hughes broke export control laws, who is going to jail? Don't you think that selling missile technology to the Chinese that could send nukes our way is a little more serious than stealing some documents that would let someone watch direct TV for free?

 

[ElFenix]

the law bars giving away secrets for anyone else's economic benefit.

that seems a bit vague right there. if other laws were that way this country would be screwed up big time

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I am not saying he is guilty or not.
I am just saying that the prosecutors are chosing to prosecute Russians to play on the cold war mentality a little bit. It's them vs us type of thing.
If they went after some corn fed midwest boy, the jury might say it's just a little misunderstanding, but with the Russian, they would have an image of some Russian spy digging up US company secrets.
It's the same thing with Sklyarov, and same thing with Wen Ho Lee. They always pick on the Russians and Chinese to prosecute for this type of thing because it's more natural for Americans to think of russians as spys.

I'm not going to get into his nationality, it doesn't matter to me...what matter is he clearly knew what he was doing, and he knew what he was doing was wrong.
Bottom line is he broke the law and he needs to face consequence of actions, just like you and me.

That's true, but there is a thing called equal protection under the law. DOJ should not be singling out Russians for prosecution while letting others slide.

At the same time Boeing and Hughes openly give the Chinese missile technology, and noone is arrested or prosecuted.

You are wrong.

Hughes provided satellite and rocket technology to the China for space exploration. Before Boeing bought out Hughes.
Boeing is only on the charges because they are a parent company of Hughes right now.
Also, Big corporations who sell products overseas must clear/meet export control regulations through the state department.
Now, what China does with purchased product, seller has no control over it, whatsoever.

Fine, Hughes broke export control laws, who is going to jail? Don't you think that selling missile technology to the Chinese that could send nukes our way is a little more serious than stealing some documents that would let someone watch direct TV for free?

What missile technology? Hughes provides informations concerning Satellite and Rocket technology, NOT missile technology.

Not only that, state department knew what information was provided to China.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I am not saying he is guilty or not.
I am just saying that the prosecutors are chosing to prosecute Russians to play on the cold war mentality a little bit. It's them vs us type of thing.
If they went after some corn fed midwest boy, the jury might say it's just a little misunderstanding, but with the Russian, they would have an image of some Russian spy digging up US company secrets.
It's the same thing with Sklyarov, and same thing with Wen Ho Lee. They always pick on the Russians and Chinese to prosecute for this type of thing because it's more natural for Americans to think of russians as spys.

I'm not going to get into his nationality, it doesn't matter to me...what matter is he clearly knew what he was doing, and he knew what he was doing was wrong.
Bottom line is he broke the law and he needs to face consequence of actions, just like you and me.

That's true, but there is a thing called equal protection under the law. DOJ should not be singling out Russians for prosecution while letting others slide.

At the same time Boeing and Hughes openly give the Chinese missile technology, and noone is arrested or prosecuted.

You are wrong.

Hughes provided satellite and rocket technology to the China for space exploration. Before Boeing bought out Hughes.
Boeing is only on the charges because they are a parent company of Hughes right now.
Also, Big corporations who sell products overseas must clear/meet export control regulations through the state department.
Now, what China does with purchased product, seller has no control over it, whatsoever.

Fine, Hughes broke export control laws, who is going to jail? Don't you think that selling missile technology to the Chinese that could send nukes our way is a little more serious than stealing some documents that would let someone watch direct TV for free?

What missile technology? Hughes provides informations concerning Satellite and Rocket technology, NOT missile technology.

Not only that, state department knew what information was provided to China.

What's the difference between Rockets and Missiles? Just put a warhead instead of a satellite on a rocket, and you have a nuclear missile (ICBM).

 

[tcsenter]

I dont believe that they are desperately trying to have trade secrets of US companies. You must be an idiot for not knowing the sad state of Russian industrial infrastructure at this point.

And among the LAST if not THE last of the Russian institutions to be hurt by the break-up of the Soviet Union was its intelligence agencies. You know that, the FBI knows that, the CIA knows that, you're just playing stupid, deliberately. Wait, maybe you're not playing...

I am pretty sure that US intelligence agencies has far more of its spies in other Russia, than Russia has in the US. This is a hunch based on comparison of budget that a US government can provide CIA with versus that of the Russian Intelligence Agency.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? This isn't a contest, "Oh, ok so you've got 10 spies and we've only got 8 spies, I guess that makes it a wash?"

You cannot 'offset' what we lose to espionage or industrial sabotage by how much we might gain from our own espionage activities. That isn't the way it works.

And when Russians catch our spies, they are tortured and executed. That's fine, the Russians have as much right to protect their national security interests and that of Russian corporations as the United States does.

But let's face it, the Russians have a whole lot more to gain from spying on the US than vice versa, and we have a lot more to lose to espionage. What do the Russians have that we could possibly want? The recipe for cabbage borscht? How to make Vodka? Plans on how to starve masses of people? Maybe the secret to blowing up our own submarines during a missle test? LMAO!

The Russians have little of interest to us, be we have lots of things the Russians would desperately love to get their hands on, including trade secrets of US companies.

Sure the guy happens to have russian name, russian parents. How do you know though he wasnt born here, how do you know where his loyalties lie?

I don't care where his loyalties lay. I presume he was a Russian national because that is what the article suggests. If he were an AMERICAN CITIZEN the article would have never mentioned his nationality.

Did you forget that none of those spies that you named had russian names?

Did you forget those spies were acting at the behest of their Russian handlers and paymasters?

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

What's the difference between Rockets and Missiles? Just put a warhead instead of a satellite on a rocket, and you have a nuclear missile (ICBM).

Yeah, only if it was that easy.

If you don't know the difference between rocket and missile, I don't know what to tell you.

A Rocket is a tube-like device filled with combustible solids and/or liquids. When ignited a gas is formed which escapes providing thrust and thereby moving the rocket.

A Missile is a guided weapon which is often, but not always, rocket powered.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: astartz

Hello -- he is a student. So what if he published a couple documents on the internet?

HE STOLE THEM

Information ought to be freely available to all.

Ok gime me your credit card number, home phone and address.

Don't forget the full name exactly as it appears on the card along with the card's expiration date.

😀

 

[vladgur]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

The Russians have little of interest to us

They may be of little interest to you(aside from interest in bashing them), but they are of great interest to US government. There are plenty of great technologies that came out and are still coming out of Russia. A number of Russian scientists that are now working in the US defense laboratories is impressive. I personally know several physicists of Russian descent who work in Lawrence Livermore national laboratory. Russians launched the first sattelite and that scared the holy bejeesus out of Americans like you and resulted in creation of Federal Financial Aid program so that more Americans could afford to go universities. While scientific budget is much greater in America, scientific education is much better in the former soviet union and this results in better scientific research or most likely more Russian scientific hemmorhage to western laboratories...

What Im trying to say here is stop bashing Russians. This 19 year old was not a spy who sold the information to Russian intelligence agency, the guy was a careless dumbass who didnt think he'd be caught....Its just a coincidence that he has a Russian name and the editor of that article looking for scandalous headlines picked up on this. If you were a little more educated and less ignorant, you would read through the headline bullshit and <pause> STOP BASHING RUSSIANS YOU CAPITALIST PIG


On a different note, ffmcobalt, how the hell did you 20695 posts in only 2.5 years? According to Windows Calculator, thats an astonishing 23 POSTS A DAY nonstop for the past 912 days. Thats like almost a 1000 days of continuous activity on AT.......Do you get paid per post or per word?

 

[tcsenter]

They may be of little interest to you (aside from interest in bashing them), but they are of great interest to US government. There are plenty of great technologies that came out and are still coming out of Russia.

lol! You're talking about an era gone by, fifty years ago maybe. The Great Collectivist Russian Society is a steaming heap of dung now...in case you hadn't noticed.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the crux of our espionage and intelligence pertaining to Russia has shifted towards attempting to learn how much and what they know about us. The Russians have few intelligence and national security assets that we are interested in outside of knowing 'what secrets are they stealing from us'? The nature of our espionage activities involving Russia is largely COUNTER espionage, not prima fascia espionage against Russian national security assets (because they have little of interest to us anymore).

What Im trying to say here is stop bashing Russians. This 19 year old was not a spy who sold the information to Russian intelligence agency, the guy was a careless dumbass who didnt think he'd be caught....Its just a coincidence that he has a Russian name and the editor of that article looking for scandalous headlines picked up on this.

I never said the kid was a spy. I'm quite sure it was a 'coincidence' that he was Russian. I don't give a damn if he was Russian, he could be Pakistani, or he could be Chinese, or he could be from Uganda, I really couldn't care less. He still needs to be deported to whatever dung heap from wence he came, pronto.

If you were a little more educated and less ignorant, you would read through the headline bullshit and <pause> STOP BASHING RUSSIANS YOU CAPITALIST PIG

Hoohoo! A little bitter envy there, eh commie boy?

Aww, I'm sorry we hurt your wittle communist feewings by reducing your country to a broken shell of what it once was. Better luck next time!

 

[Staples]

Sounds like the kid deserves jail time to me. This is just like software piracy.

 

[kasparov]

Originally posted by: astartz

dont forget SSN, passport #, bank account #, debit cards, IP address, tax information, and your girlfriend's naked photos. Did i miss anything?

Shoe size

Revealing private information is completely a different issue than a public company not revealing its everyday activities.