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Student gets jailed for revealing DirectTV secrets

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Man, I think that's so sad -- arresting a student because he tried to 'crack' directTV. Meanwhile, cable/satellite rates have been going up (faster than the rate of inflation) and there are fewer choices every year.

I understand what he did may consitute "piracy", but arrest and ruin his life for it? Come'on. I really feel for this kid. He must be very scared, and have few financial resources to tackle giants like DirectTv. I was wondering how you all felt about this case, and what we as ATOT'ers could do to help this kid out.
 
He knew exactly what he was doing...he knew exactly what could happen to him if they found out what he did.

He's getting exactly what he deserves to be getting.
 
he not only stole the documents, he shared. He was messing with credit card sensitive information.

YOU wouldnt want some kid messing with your credit card info do you?

he deserves it.
 
It is sad, but it is illegal too, and I'm sure he knew what he was doing when he stole the documents.
 
He worked in a law firm, took a client's documents, and then distributed it on the internet? He clearly knew it was illegal, and I have no sympathy. Don't try to cheat a company out of their profits if you can't handle the penalties.
 
He stole secret documents. Being 19 he prolly didn't realize the seriousness of what he was getting into. What's so fvcked up?
 
Just like I posted in the original post from today, he didn't crack or reverse engineer it. He stole it from the law firm he worked with. He deserves everything he got.
 
So who benefited economically from this?
It seems to me that FBI is going after the Russians in its prosecutions.
Are American kids too dumb to hack or is FBI just singling out the Russians?
 
this has got to be one of the most heartless set of reponses that I've yet seen.
Hello -- he is a student. So what if he published a couple documents on the internet?
Information ought to be freely available to all.
He is a college age student having his ass sued by a 20+ billion dollar corporation. They want to put him jail with the murders, rapists, etc. for publishing
a few documents on the net.
What's more, he received no profits from his internet publication, he published these documents because he felt that the internet community could benefit.
What's the real issue here is how cable/satellite companies are raping us on a daily basis due to a complete lack of competition. How many choices of cable do you have in your neighborhood?

Before you be too harsh on this student, consider this: whistleblowers at Philip-Morris, Enron, and other corporations, also "illegally" published corporate documents to the public, because they felt it was the right thing to do.
 
well, he did steal docs that had special security set up just to protect them. he must have figured they were important and put his butt on the line by making copies and putting them on the internet.
 
Actually I doubt he will be convicted. The current charges against him are only valid if he tried to make money off of the documents. In the article I read on AP, it sounds like he gave out the information without asking for any type of money.

Just a thought.

Don't feel sorry for Directv. Look what they are doing to innocent people. Be careful if you buy a ISO programmer for your smart card credit cards........otherwise DTV will take you to civil court for signal theft even if you don't own a dish.

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
So who benefited economically from this?
It seems to me that FBI is going after the Russians in its prosecutions.
Are American kids too dumb to hack or is FBI just singling out the Russians?
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He didnt "Hack" anything he just stole some documents.

Now if he hacked it without looking or stealing the documents I might be on his side.
 
Originally posted by: no0b
Originally posted by: SuperTool
So who benefited economically from this?
It seems to me that FBI is going after the Russians in its prosecutions.
Are American kids too dumb to hack or is FBI just singling out the Russians?
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He didnt "Hack" anything he just stole some documents.

Now if he hacked it without looking or stealing the documents I might be on his side.
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That information was going to be used for a Direct TV hack. He sent the documents to 3 well known hacking websites.
Interesting how you use the phrase "stealing documents". I consider DirectTV's lobbying and oligopoly status a direct theft from millions of americans on a much larger scale.
Bottom line: it was a couple of documents from a publicly held company, which were made public

For that, he gets to go to jail will Bubba the rapist.
 
Serebryany obtained the documents while working part-time at a law firm in California that performed legal work for DirecTV. Serebryany attends college in Chicago but his family lives in Los Angeles.
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The problem stems in part from the fact that the kid is a RUSSIAN student who was found to have STOLEN sensitive trade secrets of an AMERICAN company and disseminated them. If he were an American student, the punishment might not be so harsh.

Suffice it to say, if you are a GUEST in another country, you probably should try to avoid stealing the trade secrets of foreign companies based in the country in which you are a guest. The kid KNEW the nature of what he was doing, or he wouldn't have been doing it. The sensitive nature of what he did was precisely his attraction to doing it.

The worse thing they can do to him is fingerprint him, photograph him, deport his stupid butt back to Russia and bar him from ever returning to the US, which is exactly what they should do.
I consider DirectTV's lobbying and oligopoly status a direct theft from millions of americans on a much larger scale.
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You've got to be kidding me? So spend $10 or $20 billion dollars of your own money to put the satellites in space and start your own satellite company, then you can give your product away for free to everyone.

No American is FORCED to buy satellite services from Direct TV. If they freely and willingly GIVE their money to Direct TV in exchange for the service, no matter how much it costs, it can not possibly be theft no matter what sort of absurd excuse you use to justify theft.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
So who benefited economically from this?
It seems to me that FBI is going after the Russians in its prosecutions.
Are American kids too dumb to hack or is FBI just singling out the Russians?
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bullshit, it just happens that this dumbass who used his real first name(Igor) in communicating this documents to the guy who hosted them online, is Russian. How many people named Igor do you think have access to DirecTV's internal documents...

I dont care how old he is, I dont care what he stole, he is a dumb ass and FBI is doing a darwinian task of making sure this guy doesnt procreate for the next 10 years

 
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So who benefited economically from this?
It seems to me that FBI is going after the Russians in its prosecutions.
Are American kids too dumb to hack or is FBI just singling out the Russians?
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He didnt "Hack" anything he just stole some documents.

Now if he hacked it without looking or stealing the documents I might be on his side.
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That information was going to be used for a Direct TV hack. He sent the documents to 3 well known hacking websites.
Interesting how you use the phrase "stealing documents". I consider DirectTV's lobbying and oligopoly status a direct theft from millions of americans on a much larger scale.
Bottom line: it was a couple of documents from a publicly held company, which were made public

For that, he gets to go to jail will Bubba the rapist.
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So what if I steal the source code to windows? Microsoft is a publicly held company.

He stole documents to help others hack the unites that is illegal and I hope they lock him up.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Serebryany obtained the documents while working part-time at a law firm in California that performed legal work for DirecTV. Serebryany attends college in Chicago but his family lives in Los Angeles.
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The problem stems in part from the fact that the kid is a RUSSIAN student who was found to have STOLEN sensitive trade secrets of an AMERICAN company and disseminated them. If he were an American student, the punishment might not be so harsh.

Suffice it to say, if you are a GUEST in another country, you probably should try to avoid stealing the trade secrets of foreign companies based in the country in which you are a guest. The kid KNEW the nature of what he was doing, or he wouldn't have been doing it. The sensitive nature of what he did was precisely his attraction to doing it.

The worse thing they can do to him is fingerprint him, photograph him, deport his stupid butt back to Russia and bar him from ever returning to the US, which is exactly what they should do.
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You are very insensitive to immigrants. So what if he is Russian? He lives here. His family lives here. His life is invested here. And he probably is in the process of going through the citizenship process.

Everyone in America was an immigrant at one time or the other. Let's be sensative to the fact the was doing something that other Americans could benefit from.

 
You are very insensitive to immigrants. So what if he is Russian? He lives here. His family lives here. His life is invested here. And he probably is in the process of going through the citizenship process.
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Damn right, I'm very insensitive to immigrants who come to another country AS GUESTS and commit crimes, even Americans who go to other countries and violate the laws of other countries. Immigrants have no "right" to be here, they are here because WE ALLOW THEM TO BE GUESTS in our country. If they commit ANY crimes, if they get a parking ticket, we can and we should deport their ass back to whatever hole in the ground they came from.

 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
You are very insensitive to immigrants. So what if he is Russian? He lives here. His family lives here. His life is invested here. And he probably is in the process of going through the citizenship process.
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Damn right, I'm very insensitive to immigrants who come to another country AS GUESTS and commit crimes, even Americans who go to other countries and violate the laws of other countries. Immigrants have no "right" to be here, they are here because WE ALLOW THEM TO BE GUESTS in our country. If they commit ANY crimes, if they get a parking ticket, we can and we should deport their ass back to whatever hole in the ground they came from.
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should the native americans be allowed to deport you? 😉
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
You are very insensitive to immigrants. So what if he is Russian? He lives here. His family lives here. His life is invested here. And he probably is in the process of going through the citizenship process.
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Damn right, I'm very insensitive to immigrants who come to another country AS GUESTS and commit crimes, even Americans who go to other countries and violate the laws of other countries. Immigrants have no "right" to be here, they are here because WE ALLOW THEM TO BE GUESTS in our country. If they commit ANY crimes, if they get a parking ticket, we can and we should deport their ass back to whatever hole in the ground they came from.
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Your comments are offensive. You or your ancestors were immigrants or "guests" at one point or the other. Let's have a little compassion for a 19 year old kid. He is a human being, regardless of nationality.
 
Originally posted by: kasparov
this has got to be one of the most heartless set of reponses that I've yet seen.
Hello -- he is a student. So what if he published a couple documents on the internet?
Information ought to be freely available to all.
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In that case, I would love you to publish your social security number, your mother's maiden name and a couple of your credit card numbers. I can assure you that this information will surely benefit the internet community.

The guy illegaly publishes internal documents that pretty much destroy the results of the company's $25 million worth of research and development and you think he doesnt deserve to go to jail?

What's the real issue here is how cable/satellite companies are raping us on a daily basis due to a complete lack of competition. How many choices of cable do you have in your neighborhood?
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As much as you might wish for it, nobody is RAPING you. Cable/Sattelite TV is a luxury, not right. You pay for luxuries. That same $25 billion corporation provides thousands of jobs and pays millions in taxes. If people were able to steal their services, would you employ those who would get laid off from DirecTV?

Before you be too harsh on this student, consider this: whistleblowers at Philip-Morris, Enron, and other corporations, also "illegally" published corporate documents to the public, because they felt it was the right thing to do.
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Great logic, buddy. "Whistle Blowers" published those documents because the CEOs of those corporations were stealing from the corporations, employees and employees by means of illegal accounting practices. This guy however published the document that allowed other people to steal the services of DirecTV. In what twisted state of mind were you to compare them?

 
Originally posted by: kasparov
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Serebryany obtained the documents while working part-time at a law firm in California that performed legal work for DirecTV. Serebryany attends college in Chicago but his family lives in Los Angeles.
Click to expand...
The problem stems in part from the fact that the kid is a RUSSIAN student who was found to have STOLEN sensitive trade secrets of an AMERICAN company and disseminated them. If he were an American student, the punishment might not be so harsh.

Suffice it to say, if you are a GUEST in another country, you probably should try to avoid stealing the trade secrets of foreign companies based in the country in which you are a guest. The kid KNEW the nature of what he was doing, or he wouldn't have been doing it. The sensitive nature of what he did was precisely his attraction to doing it.

The worse thing they can do to him is fingerprint him, photograph him, deport his stupid butt back to Russia and bar him from ever returning to the US, which is exactly what they should do.
Click to expand...

You are very insensitive to immigrants. So what if he is Russian? He lives here. His family lives here. His life is invested here. And he probably is in the process of going through the citizenship process.

Everyone in America was an immigrant at one time or the other. Let's be sensative to the fact the was doing something that other Americans could benefit from.
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While I want to agree with you, and hell... more power to the guy... But what he did is clearly against the law.. He got caught, and is now facing the consequences. Shrug. Doesen't get much simpler than that.
 
and lets not turn this into Russians bashing. Cold war is over and Russians as a political entity have 0 interest in manipulating US economy in any way. Get off that RedScare pill and realize that it was an act of one very VERY VERY DUMB individual.

To TCsenter, you should be insensitive to anyone who commits crimes, not just immigrants who commit crimes. You shouldnt single out immigrants. Im an immigrant-turned US Citizen and I can assure you that I generate enough taxes to pay for a year of welfare for you and your family.
 
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