Student arrested and turned over to INS

[StageLeft]

Her breaking the law aside, I have to feel great sympathy for somebody brought to the US at age 11, brought up on its values and in the country, and then a decade later in limbo like this. And I wouldn't ask her in such a state to go back to Mexico, any laws she's broken recently notwithstanding.

Only a real prick would realize there isn't some point at which a person has to be assumed American. Like, if you're brought here when you're six months old and then expected to go back to some pissant country (let's say Somalia) when you're 18 just because you never came here illegally but it's all you've known.

 

[gaidensensei]

Just make her pay her share to offset college taxpayer dollars. That way it seems pretty much even for whichever way action takes.

But it seems those who want her deported won't be satisfied if she just goes without paying a dime, because of the 'blood must be paid with blood.' thing going on.

 

[Patranus]

Her breaking the law aside, I have to feel great sympathy for somebody brought to the US at age 11, brought up on its values and in the country, and then a decade later in limbo like this. And I wouldn't ask her in such a state to go back to Mexico, any laws she's broken recently notwithstanding.

Only a real prick would realize there isn't some point at which a person has to be assumed American. Like, if you're brought here when you're six months old and then expected to go back to some pissant country (let's say Somalia) when you're 18 just because you never came here illegally but it's all you've known.

Everyone has a sob story. Boo fuckin hoo.

Does that mean that everyone should be let into the United States?

Does that mean that we should just cast law aside and let everyone drive without a license?
Does that mean we should allow people to lie to the police?
Does that mean we should disregard everyones criminal acts?

 

[Hacp]

Twits respond who haven't even read the article... but they love to rave about illegal immigrants.

She's lived in this country since she was 11 years old. It's not like she had a choice to come here or not. She's been raised American, like a lot of other people, even American citizens who aren't yet 18 and get deported with their parents.

Illegals are just the latest rightwing whipping boy or girl. It's all their fault, everything that's wrong with this country, obviously. Why, if we just threw 'em all out, everything would just be hunky-dory, and we could just go back to believing the same lies that have damaged the social fabric and the economy. Except that it won't work- so you'll need a new target, somebody else to vent your rage and frustration upon. Wash, rinse and repeat in that patented way that only Righties can fail to see as circular logic...

What if y'all were to put the blame where it belongs, on yourselves, for being chumped over and over again by the politicians and pundits of the Right? Having your heads explode is just a figure of speech, after all... The ones who don't go permanently catatonic will recover, in time...

Well she could have left when she was 18. No one was forcing her to stay in the US. She did have a choice. She could have left the US or stayed and continued to break the law. She chose the latter.

 

[Patranus]

Well she could have left when she was 18. No one was forcing her to stay in the US. She did have a choice. She could have left the US or stayed and continued to break the law. She chose the latter.

She also chose to drive without a license and lie to police.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well she could have left when she was 18. No one was forcing her to stay in the US. She did have a choice. She could have left the US or stayed and continued to break the law. She chose the latter.

What part of "raised American" do you fail to comprehend?

She's as American as the rest of us, aside from the accident of birth...

In her place, I'm sure that any pontificating self-righteous twit would have left the country on their 18th birthday, just so they wouldn't be breaking the law...

 

[Kappo]

Twits respond who haven't even read the article... but they love to rave about illegal immigrants.

She's lived in this country since she was 11 years old. It's not like she had a choice to come here or not. She's been raised American, like a lot of other people, even American citizens who aren't yet 18 and get deported with their parents.

Illegals are just the latest rightwing whipping boy or girl. It's all their fault, everything that's wrong with this country, obviously. Why, if we just threw 'em all out, everything would just be hunky-dory, and we could just go back to believing the same lies that have damaged the social fabric and the economy. Except that it won't work- so you'll need a new target, somebody else to vent your rage and frustration upon. Wash, rinse and repeat in that patented way that only Righties can fail to see as circular logic...

What if y'all were to put the blame where it belongs, on yourselves, for being chumped over and over again by the politicians and pundits of the Right? Having your heads explode is just a figure of speech, after all... The ones who don't go permanently catatonic will recover, in time...

So, you are saying you agree with open borders and not deporting anyone? Why bother HAVING the law if we a) refuse to enforce it, and b) provide FREE OF CHARGE services for people WHO DONT PAY TAXES?

Until you are paying EVERY dollar above and beyond your cost of living to your cause, you have zero right to try to convince ANYONE else they should spend their money on crapbags who cheat the system.

 

[vhx]

Smart enough to get into college, but can't apply for citizenship? BS. Sounds like she didn't want to become a citizen because all of the stuff she'd been able to exploit would be over.

I think the better question is, how can she get into public school systems, college, and receive grants all without a valid form of ID?

 

[gaidensensei]

Smart enough to get into college, but can't apply for citizenship? BS. Sounds like she didn't want to become a citizen because all of the stuff she'd been able to exploit would be over.

I think the better question is, how can she get into public school systems, college, and receive grants all without a valid form of ID?

You have me stumped. Didn't think of that. She would have no SSN for fafsa.. true.

 

[Linflas]

Smart enough to get into college, but can't apply for citizenship? BS. Sounds like she didn't want to become a citizen because all of the stuff she'd been able to exploit would be over.

I think the better question is, how can she get into public school systems, college, and receive grants all without a valid form of ID?

Because in K-12 we do not require anything other than proof that you live in the district. That is US law backed up by the Supreme Court and I would not have it any other way. Regardless of your feelings on illegal immigration if the kids are here the right thing to do is educate them. They have no control over the situation they find themselves in, their parents are the ones breaking the law.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, you are saying you agree with open borders and not deporting anyone? Why bother HAVING the law if we a) refuse to enforce it, and b) provide FREE OF CHARGE services for people WHO DONT PAY TAXES?

Until you are paying EVERY dollar above and beyond your cost of living to your cause, you have zero right to try to convince ANYONE else they should spend their money on crapbags who cheat the system.

Heh. When you can't address the argument, you just make one up, right?

Did I offer that we should have open borders?

Is there any indication in the story that the person in question doesn't pay taxes?

Is there any indication that the usual ravers in this thread have any reasoning skills whatsoever?

Wait! wait! Is there any evidence that they have, uhh, you know *reading comprehension skills*?

None of the above, apparently...

Where does it say she received grants?

Where does it do anything other than contradict the notion that she could actually apply for citizenship?

 

[Kappo]

Heh. When you can't address the argument, you just make one up, right?

Did I offer that we should have open borders?

Is there any indication in the story that the person in question doesn't pay taxes?

Is there any indication that the usual ravers in this thread have any reasoning skills whatsoever?

Since I know people who are friends with this person, it makes it ALOT easier to know things that are not just in the story.

You didn't answer MY question. Do you think the girl should be deported or not? She is here illegally, committing at least one crime, lying about where she lives, and using state resources as a non-citizen. If this person is not a clear cut case of "deport now", then you have two choices:

1) Open the borders
2) Look at 20 million cases INDIVIDUALLY. Let me know when you have that done. If you can't handle that, we are MORE than happy to have you send a check for the contractors we need to hire in order to make those 20 million evaluations.

 

[Jhhnn]

Since I know people who are friends with this person, it makes it ALOT easier to know things that are not just in the story.

You didn't answer MY question. Do you think the girl should be deported or not? She is here illegally, committing at least one crime, lying about where she lives, and using state resources as a non-citizen. If this person is not a clear cut case of "deport now", then you have two choices:

1) Open the borders
2) Look at 20 million cases INDIVIDUALLY. Let me know when you have that done. If you can't handle that, we are MORE than happy to have you send a check for the contractors we need to hire in order to make those 20 million evaluations.

You are completely lame in your attempts to make the issue something it's not. The immigration authorities released her on bond to complete her studies, which should be the end of the story. But it's not- we get Georgia law enforcement grandstanding, pandering to stupidity- apparently that covers many of the posters here, who seem to be approaching climax through incoherent raving...

 

[Kappo]

You are completely lame in your attempts to make the issue something it's not. The immigration authorities released her on bond to complete her studies, which should be the end of the story. But it's not- we get Georgia law enforcement grandstanding, pandering to stupidity- apparently that covers many of the posters here, who seem to be approaching climax through incoherent raving...

So, you don't think she should be deported?

 

[alphatarget1]

Silly immigrant, trying to pull herself up by her bootstraps and all. Don't she know immigrants are only allowed to use welfare!

They really need to fix this silliness.

OT and this comment has nothing to do with her immigration status but she's probably majoring in some worthless liberal arts BS.

 

[Kappo]

OT and this comment has nothing to do with her immigration status but she's probably majoring in some worthless liberal arts BS.

Political Science. The problem is not the person, shes not a bad person from what I can tell.

The problem is that the LAW states she is here illegally. If we give this person a pass, why not the others?

 

[Jhhnn]

So, you don't think she should be deported?

I think I'll let the ICE sort that out... well, they already did, didn't they?

But it's something for the usual wingnuts to rave about, vent their frustrations, exhibit their ignorance and denial for everybody but themselves to see...

Apparently, it's another slow outrage day, so y'all are grasping at straws... got to get your fix, right?

 

[Kappo]

I think I'll let the ICE sort that out... well, they already did, didn't they?

But it's something for the usual wingnuts to rave about, vent their frustrations, exhibit their ignorance and denial for everybody but themselves to see...

Apparently, it's another slow outrage day, so y'all are grasping at straws... got to get your fix, right?

You are entitled to crap your money away, long for open borders and let anyone and anything in here to use services our people NEED while not paying into the system (net). I choose to go by the law instead of only acknowledging it when it is self-serving.

 

[Jhhnn]

You are entitled to crap your money away, long for open borders and let anyone and anything in here to use services our people NEED while not paying into the system (net). I choose to go by the law instead of only acknowledging it when it is self-serving.

Really? Then what are you raving about when the legally constituted authorities have already settled the issue wrt her ability to stay in this country to finish her studies?

Or is this kinda like one of the rants where the poster advocates insurrection against the duly elected govt to save the constitution?

 

[Throckmorton]

I wonder what these illegal immigrant students are planning to do once they graduate. It's not like you can get a professional job under the table.

 

[palehorse]

Deport her. She can get in line for a student visa and come back to the U.S. when she has legal permission to do so. She can then finish her degree and fade off into the sunset with no worries.

No other solution is acceptable to me. ICE was wrong to release her when she is, without a doubt, an illegal alien. Period.

 

[Kappo]

Really? Then what are you raving about when the legally constituted authorities have already settled the issue wrt her ability to stay in this country to finish her studies?

Or is this kinda like one of the rants where the poster advocates insurrection against the duly elected govt to save the constitution?

You mean the "legally constituted authorities who bent to the will of others despite the law stating otherwise"? Those guys? Does it bother you that she mooched off of what *I* pay taxes for? Nope. Very free with other people's money, but I don't see you paying her college tuition. Once again, you are all for following the laws when they are self-serving.

I wonder what these illegal immigrant students are planning to do once they graduate. It's not like you can get a professional job under the table.

She has gotten this far illegally, what makes you think it will stop?

 

[Jhhnn]

So you're an expert wrt immigration law, Kappo? Really?

And, in case you haven't quite come to your senses yet, and likely will refuse to do so, "mooching" is, at this point, merely a convenient accusation from your team of twirlers...

And you apparently can divine the future, too, given the comment about "what makes you think it will stop?"

What makes you think it will go on? Pure self-righteous paranoia?

 

[Hacp]

Because in K-12 we do not require anything other than proof that you live in the district. That is US law backed up by the Supreme Court and I would not have it any other way. Regardless of your feelings on illegal immigration if the kids are here the right thing to do is educate them. They have no control over the situation they find themselves in, their parents are the ones breaking the law.

The right thing to do is to not educate them. The public school system is intended to support legal immigrants and US citizens. It is not intended to support children of illegal immigrants.

 

[Hacp]

Political Science. The problem is not the person, shes not a bad person from what I can tell.

The problem is that the LAW states she is here illegally. If we give this person a pass, why not the others?

Exactly. She could be the nicest, sweetest person in the world. It doesn't change the fact that she is not a legal resident of this country.