Strikeforce: Dan Henderson vs Fedor Emelianenko [ July 30, 2011 ]

[ctark]

it was stopped early, like fedor said.

Do you remember when Gray Maynard said he wasn't knocked out?

You do realize most people don't remember when they are knocked out. Just because Fedor says something doesn't make it gospel.

Fedor is 2-3 under Gods will now.... that would make me go atheist.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Look at how well PRIDE fighters have done in the UFC, besides a few they haven't done so great. Face it, the landscape of MMA has chance since the PRIDE days and most of the PRIDE fighters didn't change with it. They suck.. plain and simple

Yep Wanderlei, Dan Henderson, Rampage, Noguiera, Fedor were all chumps. Also don't mention the fact Anderson Silva fought in pride as did Chuck Liddell. Rampage sent Liddell packing his bags fast as he could back to the UFC. Chuck was lucky he didn't fight Wanderlei at that point in Wanderlei's career.

 

[sleep]

Do you remember when Gray Maynard said he wasn't knocked out?

You do realize most people don't remember when they are knocked out. Just because Fedor says something doesn't make it gospel.

Fedor is 2-3 under Gods will now.... that would make me go atheist.

still that fight was stopped too early. fedor wasn't knocked out he was still moving. come on.

i remember when shamrock fought sakuraba. ken has a angry issue and alot of people didn't like it. that fight got stopped way too early. samething that happened to this fight.

they should have brought in an out of country ref to ref.

 

[waggy]

still that fight was stopped too early. fedor wasn't knocked out he was still moving. come on.

lol he was out. he took 2-3 shots to the head. he was not defending hell he had his head down ass up. he was out.

 

[waggy]

Look at how well PRIDE fighters have done in the UFC, besides a few they haven't done so great. Face it, the landscape of MMA has chance since the PRIDE days and most of the PRIDE fighters didn't change with it. They suck.. plain and simple

they don't suck. they just got old.

but to say pride fighters suck is fucking stupid.

 

[ctark]

Yep Wanderlei, Dan Henderson, Rampage, Noguiera, Fedor were all chumps. Also don't mention the fact Anderson Silva fought in pride as did Chuck Liddell. Rampage sent Liddell packing his bags fast as he could back to the UFC. Chuck was lucky he didn't fight Wanderlei at that point in Wanderlei's career.

Wanderlei is a chump. He was never good... NEVER. He's medicore at best and looked good against bad competition. Nog... he's okay.. but not great and never could hold a candle against today's heavyweights.

I'm a Rampage fan.. but I can also say he's no where near as dominant as he was in Pride. You named about 6 guys, which goes to show that PRIDE wasn't near as good as you think it was. Fedor just isn't that good.

You also bring up Liddell... who in my opinion is not the "best". He came a long at the end of an era and it made him look better than he really was. The problem with fighters like Fedor and Liddell is they never game play. They just come in and swing for the fences. Sure its exciting.. but there's a difference in exciting and being the best.

 

[ctark]

they don't suck. they just got old.

but to say pride fighters suck is fucking stupid.

They suck against the new generation. Its not just because of age. MMA has evolved, and most PRIDE fighters did not.

FEDOR refuses to come train in America. Look at Anderson, he evolved and comes here and trains with top competition. Like i said... a lot of old PRIDE legends were just the best looking turds out of a bunch of turds. But in the end.. they are still turds... lol

 

[cKGunslinger]

still that fight was stopped too early. fedor wasn't knocked out he was still moving. come on.

He wasn't knocked out, but he was stunned enough that he obviously wasn't defending himself. That said, I think Fedor could take quick a few unblocked blows and still get to his feet, but that's not how the rules work, as far as I know.

Fair call, I think.


<- Fedor nuthugger.

 

[Lounatik]

Just watched the fight. Interesting stop. Fedor clearly goes limp from the uppercut Hendo threw from underneath. Very sneaky punch. Then the pounding after that caused Herbie to stop the fight. To be honest, I think it could have gone on, but in the heat of the moment, you never know. Also, had this been a championship fight,I think that it probably goes on a bit longer.


Peace

Lounatik

 

[Squisher]

Has Fedor ever looked like he was in shape?

Not that I know this to be fact, but it makes you wonder if someone that spends half the time in the gym as someone else can effectively compete even if they have more natural skills.

 

[randay]

first wanderlei retires, now fedor. wonder who is next?

 

[SAWYER]

Where is woosta? Lol

 

[sleep]

He wasn't knocked out, but he was stunned enough that he obviously wasn't defending himself. That said, I think Fedor could take quick a few unblocked blows and still get to his feet, but that's not how the rules work, as far as I know.

Fair call, I think.


<- Fedor nuthugger.

i just watch the replay, he was stunned. you never know, you really never know. alot of people have survived situations like that.

 

[shopbruin]

Where is woosta? Lol

Either crying or actually fulfilling the terms of the previous wager where he'd shut up about MMA in the event of a Fedor loss.

 

[Spineshank]

I thought it was stopped early. He was rocked no question but he did flip to his back to defend himself and that was right when it was called. He was probably 1 punch away from winning that fight when he had Hendo on the ground. I would like to see a rematch but you know its not happening.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This fight was yet another good example of why I do not gamble. I just did not envision Dan winning the exchanges, but he won a few decisively. I thought the stoppage was justifiable, as well. Would have rather seen if Fedor recovered or not. But it is important to keep the fighters safe, even from themselves.

 

[bigrash]

I'm gonna say the same thing I said when I saw Fedor lose to Big Foot live in NJ....HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Mma is nothing more than a niche sport. They have too many greedy people at the top for it to become anymore than that. UFC wants $50 an event and out of the last year there's been maybe a handful of good fights. I quit watching a long time ago because I can't afford $50 for each one. Once you quit watching something you become even more detached and now I'm to the point I could give a shit less what happens. Now if they were $12.99 a ppv then I'd more than likely still be watching and I'm sure others would be too. Hell run commercials in between rounds. Make it more available to the common Joe.

If I were footing the whole bill for the UFC fights, I'd be right there with you. But, we get enough people to chip in, to where it is no more than $10 a person. Besides, many people only buy the cards their favorite fighters are on.

Other alternatives for inexpensive MMA entertainment- Sports bars and similar establishments. StrikeForce promotions on Showtime, "free" UFC on cable (Spike and VS). HDNet shows MMA almost every week. And Bellator is on MTV2, giving me a huge selection of events to choose from without the PPV fee.

Some weekends I have to DVR fights because there is more than one event going on. :awe:

 

[umbrella39]

I thought Woosta gave up MMA talk...

I guess the self imposed year was too long.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I guess the self imposed year was too long.

I am stoked he revoked his own ban. He is the only one that manages to get a discussion going. He is our resident MMA fanboy/troll; perhaps we should lobby for him to get a custom handle for it.

Every time someone else starts a thread on the fights, it dies a quick death. A Woosta thread is good for days, and certain to provide some lulz.

BTW, Meisha looked to be in spectacular condition

Stoked she won by kata gatame, nothin' like beating a submission specialist by sub.

 

[BillGates]

Herb Dean is the biggest POS ref ever. I like Dan and Fedor and didnn't really care who won, but that was premature stoppage.

 

[Woosta]

Good thing I didn't attend this event.. gave my tickets away on Reddit on Friday

Lol @ people claiming Randy Couture is the greatest american MMA fighter... Hendo is EASILY the greatest american fighter of all time, and a TRUE American at that.

After this event, if Fedor continues to fight this is what he needs to do:

- stop training with Kirill Sidilnikov; train with world class grapplers and strikers.. NOT just make 2 trips to Holland, but train his ground game with the likes of Maia/Jacare/Werdum, and the same with his striking
- stop trying to end the fight in 1 minute with a KO; be patient and calm and relaxed like he was in Affliction/PRIDE
- train in a cage 100&#37; of the time, not on mats with Kirill and a boxing ring with Denis Lebedov... he's a master of the ring but he's only had a few fights in a cage. Sure he used to train in a cage back in the Red Devil days but everytime you see sparring footage, you never see him in a cage.

People saying he was always overrated are morons. They have to realize that he's basically training with bums and has world class skills, while every other fighter is training with top competition.. you cannot deny his raw natural talent.. you cannot deny that he is *the* most exciting fighter there *EVER* was in MMA.

All of his last 3 opponents are legit.

In before the GSP > Shields > Hendo > Fedor and Anderson > Hendo > Fedor MMA math chains.

It also sucks that Marloes Coenen lost to Tate... I hope both Fedor and Marloes win their next fights.

As a human I want Fedor to retire and be happy with his family, he's already done way more than enough and proven himself in his undefeated 10 year streak..
As an avid fan of MMA I want Fedor to not retire and get a rematch with Werdum/Bigfoot and/or get a match with the winner of SF HW gp tournament, win that, face the UFC HW champion, destroy them and retire on a good note.

Always and forever a Fedor fan. You can tell a real fan from when a fighter loses, all the bandwagon morons will jump off and the real fans will stay on.

 

[LookBehindYou]

I'm a fan of both Henderson and Fedor, would've like to see more of a war with Fedor winning, mostly because Henderson couldve survived the loss more than Fedor could. Henderson loses, oh well, he got beat by Fedor, a heavyweight. Fedor loses, it's 3 in a row and to a LHW at that.

I do think the stop was justified. When herb goes in to stop it, it's at the moment that Fedor is flash KO'd, by the time Fedor came to (after 2-3 shots) it was too late, Herb was already stopping it. At that time, you can't just say nevermind keep fighting. On that same note, he can't look at him and not stop it, what if Fedor had been completely out, at what point to you stop them from getting hit too many times... Good call imo, sucks that it coulda gone on, but what can ya do.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Good thing I didn't attend this event.. gave my tickets away on Reddit on Friday

Lol @ people claiming Randy Couture is the greatest american MMA fighter... Hendo is EASILY the greatest american fighter of all time, and a TRUE American at that.

You should have went. I went to a local promotion last week, and had a blast. Probably only a taste of how much fun a big show must be. One of the guys I train with won his ammy debut by Jodan mawashi geri at 9 seconds of the 1st, KO of the night winner. Here is the link to the fight -

http://www.youtube.com/user/infusefightgear#p/u/6/1Nz99Ab7Nrc

Fixed the borked link

 

[LookBehindYou]

I'll add to this. I don't think Fedor should retire at all. His three losses:

First, a fluke, I said it, I think his first loss was a fluke.

Second, fought a guy equally skilled who outweighed him by 40lbs, hard to win that one

Third, he got caught by the hardest right hand in the business.

I think he needs to drop to LHW and focus on getting some speed and not be so damn reckless, he's still a threat to anyone, and I'd prolly put him as the favorite in most his fights, even a rematch against hendo.