Stickin' it to the liberals

[IJTSSG]

Have you ever once considered that these folks don't want change? I know that fly's directly in the face of the liberal "I'm smarter than you, I know better than you, the government will fix all your problems" mantra but it could very well be that these folks are content with their lot in life and simply want to be left alone.

 

[Pohemi]

I am saying the time has come. The rule of law, decorum, none of this matters in Politics year 2020... the people in the rust belt need and want to hear carnival barkers... they just need a new voice...

I agree; it still makes me sad though.

 

[Pohemi]

Have you ever once considered that these folks don't want change? I know that fly's directly in the face of the liberal "I'm smarter than you, I know better than you, the government will fix all your problems" mantra but it could very well be that these folks are content with their lot in life and simply want to be left alone.

That theory doesn't apply to christians who want to push their beliefs on everyone else through the rule of law promised by rethuglicans who couldn't care less.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That theory doesn't apply to christians who want to push their beliefs on everyone else through the rule of law promised by rethuglicans who couldn't care less.

What are you going to do when all the Abrahamic social conservatives realize they have common cause and unify politically? This is already starting to happen in some places.

 

[cytg111]

Have you ever once considered that these folks don't want change? I know that fly's directly in the face of the liberal "I'm smarter than you, I know better than you, the government will fix all your problems" mantra but it could very well be that these folks are content with their lot in life and simply want to be left alone.

And when nobody wants their coal anymore its those pesky dems fault... they want eeeeverything to stay the same, including everyone else... We have seen this pattern before... Afghanistan comes to mind.

 

[Stryke1983]

Freaking out is never a sane response, but it is a sign of maturity.

The appropriate response is to honestly evaluate how he won and use the system of checks and balances to contain him.

That's nice, but the system designed to contain a tyrant/lunatic keeps failing. The Republican party didn't do its job, Electoral College didn't do its job, the Senate didn't do its job and, until just a few months ago, the House wasn't doing its job either. Even now the House is limited in what it can realistically achieve and so is looking at the long term plan. To top it off, the Republicans are actively hindering the the court's ability to act as a further check against a lunatic via their appointments.

Trump won because he blamed socialists and foreigners and promised everything you could want, without having to pay for it. That's a tough platform to beat.

 

[Jhhnn]

Have you ever once considered that these folks don't want change? I know that fly's directly in the face of the liberal "I'm smarter than you, I know better than you, the government will fix all your problems" mantra but it could very well be that these folks are content with their lot in life and simply want to be left alone.

I though they wanted to MAGA, Build the Wall, Shake up Washington, Drain the Swamp & invoke an ocean of delicious libruhl tears.

 

[Pohemi]

What are you going to do when all the Abrahamic social conservatives realize they have common cause and unify politically? This is already starting to happen in some places.

That doesn't need to happen at all...they've been voting republican for decades already.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That doesn't need to happen at all...they've been voting republican for decades already.

Muslims certainly have not

 

[fskimospy]

What are you going to do when all the Abrahamic social conservatives realize they have common cause and unify politically? This is already starting to happen in some places.

Yes because if there’s one thing we can count on it is the abrahamic religions finding common cause and unifying, as evidenced by the entire history of the Middle East.

Conservative Christians are not interested in unifying with Jews and Muslims. They are interested in dominance. If anything a big reason why they hate Islam so much is that the evangelicals view it as their closest fundamentalist competition.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Muslims certainly have not

Opposite side of the same coin. As fski accurately stated, Muslims and Christian's are at odds because they compete. And here in the states, Islam is a minority, and I agree they don't vote republican because republicans are overwhelmingly christian and express intolerance towards "others", especially Muslims. Yet, both are considered conservatives at a world status. Just here they want enjoy some freedom to exercise their religion.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Have you ever once considered that these folks don't want change? I know that fly's directly in the face of the liberal "I'm smarter than you, I know better than you, the government will fix all your problems" mantra but it could very well be that these folks are content with their lot in life and simply want to be left alone.

how many people like, or even prefer, the idea of a medical bankruptcy versus....well, not having one?
how many people like not knowing how much they're going to pay at a doctor's office, or like not seeking medical treatment at all because they literally cannot afford it?
how many people like working minimum wage and/or multiple jobs just to barely scrape by?
how many people like massive corporate payouts every time a company goes under because they "just don't have the money to continue operating"?
how many people like that C-level employees are just too big for jail?
how many people like not being able to sell their crops because 1 person just destroyed their marketplace?
how many people like tax cuts going to the super rich, and companies using them to reward investors instead of reinvesting in the facilities and people that make the companies profitable in the first place>

that's the completely sad irony of it all. the people who are hurt most by conservative policies and candidates....are the people that vote for them.

 

[pmv]

What are you going to do when all the Abrahamic social conservatives realize they have common cause and unify politically? This is already starting to happen in some places.

Not an unreasonable question. Reminds me of the notice I saw in a shop window here once - announcing a joint meeting of local (overwhelmingly South Asian) Muslims and (mostly African) Christians, to decide who had the best solution to the 'cess pit of sexual deviancy, drug-abuse and moral decline' that the UK has, apparently, become. On the plus side, it's been years since then and there's no sign that they managed to agree on the answer.

The future is hard to see and politics is insanely complicated. But one can't ever underestimate the ability of people who agree about some things to fight furiously about other things. The right has historically had huge trouble uniting across cultural and national barriers.

Another poster read something like "Christian, Muslim, Jew...why do we fight? How can we overcome our differences and live in harmony?" and then "Islam has the answer! Come along to the local Islamic society meeting". Just a wild guess, but could it be that the proposed answer to all the conflict involved everyone converting to Islam?

Christian ecumenicism has traditionally been much the same. We can all get along - you just all have to accept we're the best.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes because if there’s one thing we can count on it is the abrahamic religions finding common cause and unifying, as evidenced by the entire history of the Middle East.

You’re confusing nationalism and culturalism with religion. There are sizeable Muslim, Jewish and Orthodox Christian populations in NYC, and yet you don’t see suicide bombers or snipers or other aspects of Middle East conflicts spilling out onto 42nd street.

Conservative Christians are not interested in unifying with Jews and Muslims. They are interested in dominance. If anything a big reason why they hate Islam so much is that the evangelicals view it as their closest fundamentalist competition.

They would on say the issue of whether or not there should be children’s books exposing kindergarteners to social issues like gay marriage.

Opposite side of the same coin. As fski accurately stated, Muslims and Christian's are at odds because they compete. And here in the states, Islam is a minority, and I agree they don't vote republican because republicans are overwhelmingly christian and express intolerance towards "others", especially Muslims. Yet, both are considered conservatives at a world status. Just here they want enjoy some freedom to exercise their religion.

Muslims are gaining political solidarity by forming communities just like their predecessors. Christians may cry “Sharia Law”, that is until a halal restaurant refuses to render service to say a gay marriage reception dinner on religious freedom...social religious conservatives will inevitably find political common ground.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Muslims are gaining political solidarity by forming communities just like their predecessors. Christians may cry “Sharia Law”, that is until a halal restaurant refuses to render service to say a gay marriage reception dinner on religious freedom...social religious conservatives will inevitably find political common ground.

Yes, they already have their common ground. My assertion is that they compete enough that the common ground becomes irrelevant. If, someday, they wanted to crush the libtards together, they would likely succeed, but would still fight each other afterwards.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Or you could congratulate the GOP, Trump & their Russian friends on the greatest political mindfuck in the history of this Country. It was a triumph of propaganda, blending hacking, disinformation & mastery of social media in a truly brilliant & malevolent way. I'm still amazed that so many people fell for it.

Credit the GOP with decades of relentless effort to turn Americans' minds to mush making it all possible.

This video is an example of this - illustrating the cognitive dissonance of these brainwashed Americans

• Socialism is when you bring down your own race.
• It's Fake News that Trump ever said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave.
• All Democrats are liars.
• Joe Biden is a socialist because he's all about the money and power.
• Joe Biden is a billionaire.
• Trump didn't go bankrupt.
• Trump is a great businessman.
• Fake News that Trump has hired undocumented immigrants.
• As a white woman, the interviewer has never experienced anything bad in her life.

 

[fskimospy]

You’re confusing nationalism and culturalism with religion. There are sizeable Muslim, Jewish and Orthodox Christian populations in NYC, and yet you don’t see suicide bombers or snipers or other aspects of Middle East conflicts spilling out onto 42nd street.

I’m not confusing anything, culture and religion are very closely related and while you don’t see sectarian violence in NYC there is most certainly significant conflict between the various religions.

I’m saying you don’t understand what actually drives these people - it’s culture, not public policy. Christians view Muslim culture as fundamentally hostile and alien to them and so they will not be banding together any time soon.

Go look at who wants to ban the Muslims, it’s the Christians because conservative evangelical Christians in America are not interested in sharing power with Muslims to achieve common goals. Muslims are the enemy because conservative Christians see them as wanting to institute a theocracy, something that the Christians themselves want to make. Can’t have two.

They would on say the issue of whether or not there should be children’s books exposing kindergarteners to social issues like gay marriage.

The US and the Soviet Union also occasionally collaborated but that doesn’t mean they weren’t enemies.

Muslims are gaining political solidarity by forming communities just like their predecessors. Christians may cry “Sharia Law”, that is until a halal restaurant refuses to render service to say a gay marriage reception dinner on religious freedom...social religious conservatives will inevitably find political common ground.

Inevitably, huh? Got an ETA on that? My bet is ‘never in either of our lifetimes’.

I mean the conservative Christians if anything have become more rabid in their islamophobia, not less.

 

[K1052]

Have you ever once considered that these folks don't want change? I know that fly's directly in the face of the liberal "I'm smarter than you, I know better than you, the government will fix all your problems" mantra but it could very well be that these folks are content with their lot in life and simply want to be left alone.

I'd be happy to let my tax dollars leave them alone if possible. Simply put, most of rural America would have collapsed LONG ago if not for a host of progressive projects and programs sprouted in the New Deal era and paid for by the very people the GOP now gins up cultural resentment against. Good old country know how ain't paying the fucking bills and hasn't for a long time.

 

[DarthKyrie]

I'd be happy to let my tax dollars leave them alone if possible. Simply put, most of rural America would have collapsed LONG ago if not for a host of progressive projects and programs sprouted in the New Deal era and paid for by the very people the GOP now gins up cultural resentment against. Good old country know how ain't paying the fucking bills and hasn't for a long time.

A lot of them still wouldn't have electricity if it wasn't for FDR and his demand that everyone should have access to electricity. If they want to go back to those days I'd have no issues allowing them to go back to how things were back before the Liberals stuck their nose in their business.

 

[dainthomas]

What are you going to do when all the Abrahamic social conservatives realize they have common cause and unify politically? This is already starting to happen in some places.

The Crusaders sacked Constantinople over slight, extremely obscure differences in Christian doctrine. And that was just the beginning of countless wars between Catholics and Orthodox and (eventually) Protestants. The day three entirely different religions (whether they worship the same god or not) unite, politically or otherwise, I'll eat my shoes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The Crusaders sacked Constantinople over slight, extremely obscure differences in Christian doctrine. And that was just the beginning of countless wars between Catholics and Orthodox and (eventually) Protestants. The day three entirely different religions (whether they worship the same god or not) unite, politically or otherwise, I'll eat my shoes.

I unfortunately have a few devout Christian conservatives in my social media circle, and they’ve been posting a Fox News article about a Muslim community in England protesting an elementary school LGBTQ curriculum. Now why would Fox News publish a pro-Muslim article?

Jewish residents of Jerusalem took up arms with Muslims to resist Christian Crusaders.

 

[fskimospy]

I unfortunately have a few devout Christian conservatives in my social media circle, and they’ve been posting a Fox News article about a Muslim community in England protesting an elementary school LGBTQ curriculum. Now why would Fox News publish a pro-Muslim article?

Jewish residents of Jerusalem took up arms with Muslims to resist Christian Crusaders.

The most recent poll I could find on the issue (2017) showed nearly two thirds of white evangelical Christians supported banning Muslims from even entering the country! The idea that people who want to bar the religion from even being here are shortly going to make common cause with them is absurd.

I think you drastically underestimate how much evangelicals hate Muslims. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hate them even more than they hate gay people.

 

[Jhhnn]

I unfortunately have a few devout Christian conservatives in my social media circle, and they’ve been posting a Fox News article about a Muslim community in England protesting an elementary school LGBTQ curriculum. Now why would Fox News publish a pro-Muslim article?

Jewish residents of Jerusalem took up arms with Muslims to resist Christian Crusaders.

Because Fox is just stirring the shit.

Of course the Jews stood with their Muslim neighbors against the Crusaders who started out by massacring European Jews. Even back then word got around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades#First_Crusade_(1096–1099)_and_aftermath

It's entirely different today. Fundie American Christians dance to the Israeli tune & have for some while. Other than at the extreme fringe, America's right wing authoritarians aren't anti-semitic. They're anti- a lot of other people, however.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The most recent poll I could find on the issue (2017) showed nearly two thirds of white evangelical Christians supported banning Muslims from even entering the country! The idea that people who want to bar the religion from even being here are shortly going to make common cause with them is absurd.

I think you drastically underestimate how much evangelicals hate Muslims. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hate them even more than they hate gay people.

Because Fox is just stirring the shit.

Of course the Jews stood with their Muslim neighbors against the Crusaders who started out by massacring European Jews. Even back then word got around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades#First_Crusade_(1096–1099)_and_aftermath

It's entirely different today. Fundie American Christians dance to the Israeli tune & have for some while. Other than at the extreme fringe, America's right wing authoritarians aren't anti-semitic. They're anti- a lot of other people, however.

Evangelicals also cosied up to Trump. The enemy of my enemy and all that.

 

[dank69]

Evangelicals also cosied up to Trump. The enemy of my enemy and all that.

That's because evangelicals don't actually care about morals. They care about identifying "the other" so they can feel superior. When one of their own molests children, they can just ask God for forgiveness.