Stickin' it to the liberals

[s0me0nesmind1]

It literally does all of those things. UHC means the federal government picking up the medical tab for a lot of health related spending in poor, rural areas. That means greater demand for medical services which in turn means more medical facilities and the jobs staffing them. Medical bills are a big problem for a lot of people and UHC explicitly pays at least a big part of them.

One of the most harmful effects to their populations from the conservative rejection of Medicaid expansion is that it not only cost those communities from a health perspective but it cost them high paying jobs.

Dude you are literally high as balls and need to put down the crack pipe if you think universal healthcare is going to magically industrialize rural/small cities.

I'm sure all the rural folk would love to take up a profession of being a doctor right away. They have all the training and expertise right? On top of that, I'm sure tons of city folks that are well educated would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to move to those rural towns with Trump voters, right?

Hell, just getting pharmacists out to rural areas requires that they pay them boatloads more to sucker them out to be the lone Walgreens in small cities. Imagine attempting that with an entire hospital staff.

It would literally do nothing to solve the issues of our rural areas aside from pay for their insulin or help them live a few more years. Of course, that would require that they take fun trips to the cities in order to get their healthcare. It doesn't bring car manufacturing back. It doesn't bring coal mining back. The people in small towns (that were once thriving) are simply dead because they have no more useful skills and they never will at this point. They will never come back - and there is no hope for the people no matter how much you say "Learn to code" or other obnoxious statements.

 

[Starbuck1975]

As I've said before it's a strange and scary thread in American conservatism where they see the success of the northeast and the west coast but instead of wanting to emulate it conservatives seek to bring the coastal populations down to their level.

I see it more as a different form of “check your privilege” along with an acknowledgment that there are aspects of the west and northeast that are not worth emulating, coupled with the fact that economic decision makers in the “successful” areas are helping to dig the hole deeper for rural areas...to the extent that a bunch of them decided to say “f” it and burn the whole thing down.

He's saying that Solyndra was one part of a large program, the vast majority of which was very successful. As the program was purposefully created to back companies pursuing unproven and risky green technologies it was inevitable that some of the investments would fail. In fact, had none failed that would indicate the government wasn't taking enough risks.

The GOP is beholden to the fossil fuel industry, and while Obama was a great speaker and statesman, he stumbled a few times in selling his ideas, and his administration fumbled in managing the narrative. You should direct your ire towards the irresponsible extravagance of the Solyndra C-suite.

Conservatives never cared about the success rate though because they had no interest in the program succeeding or existing to begin with.

And they will be quite happy to watch the Green New Deal take a back seat to other distractions that drive media clicks but nothing else.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So how is that stickin it to the liberal working??

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude you are literally high as balls and need to put down the crack pipe if you think universal healthcare is going to magically industrialize rural/small cities.

I'm sure all the rural folk would love to take up a profession of being a doctor right away. They have all the training and expertise right? On top of that, I'm sure tons of city folks that are well educated would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to move to those rural towns with Trump voters, right?

Hell, just getting pharmacists out to rural areas requires that they pay them boatloads more to sucker them out to be the lone Walgreens in small cities. Imagine attempting that with an entire hospital staff.

It would literally do nothing to solve the issues of our rural areas aside from pay for their insulin or help them live a few more years. Of course, that would require that they take fun trips to the cities in order to get their healthcare. It doesn't bring car manufacturing back. It doesn't bring coal mining back. The people in small towns (that were once thriving) are simply dead because they have no more useful skills and they never will at this point. They will never come back - and there is no hope for the people no matter how much you say "Learn to code" or other obnoxious statements.

Needs more straw.

As I linked earlier, rural hospitals are failing because they can't take in enough money to remain viable. UHC advocates obviously intend to fix that while the GOP doesn't give a flying rat's ass because... free market!

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/ar...f-rural-hospitals-are-on-the-brink-of-closure

 

[dank69]

I see it more as a different form of “check your privilege” along with an acknowledgment that there are aspects of the west and northeast that are not worth emulating, coupled with the fact that economic decision makers in the “successful” areas are helping to dig the hole deeper for rural areas...to the extent that a bunch of them decided to say “f” it and burn the whole thing down.

The GOP is beholden to the fossil fuel industry, and while Obama was a great speaker and statesman, he stumbled a few times in selling his ideas, and his administration fumbled in managing the narrative. You should direct your ire towards the irresponsible extravagance of the Solyndra C-suite.

And they will be quite happy to watch the Green New Deal take a back seat to other distractions that drive media clicks but nothing else.

They didn't fumble managing a narrative. Millions of Americans decided they wanted the narrative Fox was selling and nothing else. Then they decided everyone else was lying to them. I pretty sure even you have mentioned "the liberal mainstream media" at least once on this forum.

 

[dank69]

I responded, check again

Less rambling, more links

Two seconds with Google can answer all your questions:
https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/3635...loss-u-s-energy-loan-program-turning-a-profit

Don’t watch Fox News. Trump is the fault and product of our values as a society, and I will place the blame where I see fit.


Not blacked out, deployed

I'm sure your political information stream was similarly lacking.

 

[dank69]

Dude you are literally high as balls and need to put down the crack pipe if you think universal healthcare is going to magically industrialize rural/small cities.

I'm sure all the rural folk would love to take up a profession of being a doctor right away. They have all the training and expertise right? On top of that, I'm sure tons of city folks that are well educated would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to move to those rural towns with Trump voters, right?

Hell, just getting pharmacists out to rural areas requires that they pay them boatloads more to sucker them out to be the lone Walgreens in small cities. Imagine attempting that with an entire hospital staff.

It would literally do nothing to solve the issues of our rural areas aside from pay for their insulin or help them live a few more years. Of course, that would require that they take fun trips to the cities in order to get their healthcare. It doesn't bring car manufacturing back. It doesn't bring coal mining back. The people in small towns (that were once thriving) are simply dead because they have no more useful skills and they never will at this point. They will never come back - and there is no hope for the people no matter how much you say "Learn to code" or other obnoxious statements.

If you have to move the goal posts from "create more jobs" to "magically industrialize" in order to comically avoid admitting your error, it's time to throw in the towel.

 

[Jhhnn]

I see it more as a different form of “check your privilege” along with an acknowledgment that there are aspects of the west and northeast that are not worth emulating, coupled with the fact that economic decision makers in the “successful” areas are helping to dig the hole deeper for rural areas...to the extent that a bunch of them decided to say “f” it and burn the whole thing down.

Job Creator activity! Give 'em a tax cut for all their good works! Starve the govt of the funds to do anything about it. Blame the Libtards. Feel the Freedom!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If you have to move the goal posts from "create more jobs" to "magically industrialize" in order to comically avoid admitting your error, it's time to throw in the towel.

Are you high as well? It was to say the same thing. You can't magically create jobs without industrializing.

It's just hilarious how you guys think we can magically fix the problem of rural cities. They can just learn to code right? We can just magically create jobs for demand that doesn't exist! And magically create cheaper labor than 3rd world countries.

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you high as well? It was to say the same thing. You can't magically create jobs without industrializing.

It's just hilarious how you guys think we can magically fix the problem of rural cities. They can just learn to code right? We can just magically create jobs for demand that doesn't exist!

Nobody said that. We said that we'll subsidize rural hospitals to keep them open so that the people who live nearby can have those services. We said it would bring income to the people who work there & to their communities.

What's the GOP offering to do for them?

 

[dank69]

Are you high as well? It was to say the same thing. You can't magically create jobs without industrializing.

It's just hilarious how you guys think we can magically fix the problem of rural cities. They can just learn to code right? We can just magically create jobs for demand that doesn't exist! And magically create cheaper labor than 3rd world countries.

Impossible to create jobs without industrializing. Got it. Thanks for the info.

 

[Starbuck1975]

They didn't fumble managing a narrative. Millions of Americans decided they wanted the narrative Fox was selling and nothing else. Then they decided everyone else was lying to them. I pretty sure even you have mentioned "the liberal mainstream media" at least once on this forum.

I don’t recall accusing the mainstream media of having a liberal bias. I do blame social media for providing Trump with a platform and the mainstream media for obsessing over Trump’s every tweet during primary season, and in doing so, suffocating the other candidates and legitimizing Trump. “What will he tweet next!”

 

[Starbuck1975]

Job Creator activity! Give 'em a tax cut for all their good works! Starve the govt of the funds to do anything about it. Blame the Libtards. Feel the Freedom!

Drench my freedom fries in trickle down and wash it down with libtard tears.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t recall accusing the mainstream media of having a liberal bias. I do blame social media for providing Trump with a platform and the mainstream media for obsessing over Trump’s every tweet during primary season, and in doing so, suffocating the other candidates and legitimizing Trump. “What will he tweet next!”

Or you could congratulate the GOP, Trump & their Russian friends on the greatest political mindfuck in the history of this Country. It was a triumph of propaganda, blending hacking, disinformation & mastery of social media in a truly brilliant & malevolent way. I'm still amazed that so many people fell for it.

Credit the GOP with decades of relentless effort to turn Americans' minds to mush making it all possible.

 

[cytg111]

Careful now, your TDS is showing

The super sad thing here is that you think that is something to embarrassed about.

 

[DarthKyrie]

The plight of inner cities and the working class deep within Democrat controlled strongholds has nothing to do with Republican policies. The irresponsible march of globalization is something that neither party wants to address because both are beholden to the donor class.

Wake up.

Maybe if those cities were able to keep more of the tax revenue they generate instead of it going to deep red rural folk they would be able to solve some of the city's problems.

MA, led by a Republican governor, didn’t need the federal government to implement a workable health care solution

Because Democrats don’t hold lavish dinner fundraiser events in Hollywood, NYC and Chicago.

The Green New Deal is a new concept. You have to nominate a candidate able to drive this as a top priority. I don’t recall green tech being central to the last three Presidential elections.

wut

Neither the Presidency nor Senate reflects gerrymandering. Who gerrymandered themselves exactly?

I remember the fight against Green Energy by the Republicans going back to when Reagan got elected and had the solar panels removed from the White House. I think Carter had plans to install a solar water heating system if he had been re-elected. Imagine where we would be if the Federal Government had done this for all Federal buildings, the costs of these systems would be affordable to most people and would be extremely good at harvesting the solar energy and converting it to power.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Maybe if those cities were able to keep more of the tax revenue they generate instead of it going to deep red rural folk they would be able to solve some of the city's problems.

At a city level, I would first turn to pension liabilities, cozy overtime salary padding, bureaucracy, incompetence and state level tax breaks and subsidies. Once you’ve solved those problems locally, then you have a case against the federal government.

I remember the fight against Green Energy by the Republicans going back to when Reagan got elected and had the solar panels removed from the White House. I think Carter had plans to install a solar water heating system if he had been re-elected. Imagine where we would be if the Federal Government had done this for all Federal buildings, the costs of these systems would be affordable to most people and would be extremely good at harvesting the solar energy and converting it to power.

I am not denying the GOP push against green energy given that the fossil fuel industry is clearly in their corner, kind of how there is a reluctance to regulate Silicon Valley due to their donor class relationship to the Democrats.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The super sad thing here is that you think that is something to embarrassed about.

Congratulations, you’ve advanced from depression to acceptance.

 

[cytg111]

Congratulations, you’ve advanced from depression to acceptance.

If you are not freaking out about the current state of the populist agenda and the moron that is the current POTUS, then I suggest you dial back the Xanax. I will argue that freaking out is the sane response here.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If you are not freaking out about the current state of the populist agenda and the moron that is the current POTUS, then I suggest you dial back the Xanax. I will argue that freaking out is the sane response here.

Freaking out is never a sane response, but it is a sign of maturity.

The appropriate response is to honestly evaluate how he won and use the system of checks and balances to contain him.

 

[fskimospy]

Dude you are literally high as balls and need to put down the crack pipe if you think universal healthcare is going to magically industrialize rural/small cities.

I'm sure all the rural folk would love to take up a profession of being a doctor right away. They have all the training and expertise right? On top of that, I'm sure tons of city folks that are well educated would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to move to those rural towns with Trump voters, right?

Hell, just getting pharmacists out to rural areas requires that they pay them boatloads more to sucker them out to be the lone Walgreens in small cities. Imagine attempting that with an entire hospital staff.

It would literally do nothing to solve the issues of our rural areas aside from pay for their insulin or help them live a few more years. Of course, that would require that they take fun trips to the cities in order to get their healthcare. It doesn't bring car manufacturing back. It doesn't bring coal mining back. The people in small towns (that were once thriving) are simply dead because they have no more useful skills and they never will at this point. They will never come back - and there is no hope for the people no matter how much you say "Learn to code" or other obnoxious statements.

Ah yes, the evidence free straw man rant. I said nothing about magic industrialization, I simply stated the obviously true fact that sending additional federal funds to be spent in a certain area creates jobs in that area. Contrary to your evidence free claim, obviously medical facilities will employ local people (this is common sense) but even if locals don’t get the high skill jobs the people who do now live in the area and they buy groceries, they pay rent, etc., etc, injecting money into the local economy that creates more jobs.

Sometimes I’m still amazed at the shit I read on here. What you’re arguing is that billions of additional federal dollars spent in rural areas will not increase rural employment. This is an extraordinary claim so you’re going to need to provide a lot of evidence.

 

[fskimospy]

I see it more as a different form of “check your privilege” along with an acknowledgment that there are aspects of the west and northeast that are not worth emulating, coupled with the fact that economic decision makers in the “successful” areas are helping to dig the hole deeper for rural areas...to the extent that a bunch of them decided to say “f” it and burn the whole thing down.

The overwhelming majority of people in those rural areas have been voting the exact same way their entire lives. They didn’t just suddenly decide to say fuck it, they voted for the Republican because that’s what they always do.

I have a large amount of family in rural Maryland. They think, and have thought for their entire lives of 60+ years that Democrats are communists bent on destroying America. They didn’t come to this realization due to globalization, they’re just nuts that way.

The GOP is beholden to the fossil fuel industry, and while Obama was a great speaker and statesman, he stumbled a few times in selling his ideas, and his administration fumbled in managing the narrative. You should direct your ire towards the irresponsible extravagance of the Solyndra C-suite.

No, I should direct my ire towards the public officials who are, as you say, beholden to the fossil fuel industry as that is implicitly stating they are putting the industry before their constituents, a betrayal of their oath of office.

And they will be quite happy to watch the Green New Deal take a back seat to other distractions that drive media clicks but nothing else.

That was always going to happen because policy implementation never takes a front seat. The closest it ever got was probably with the ACA and even then the things driving the narrative were made up lies like death panels.

The idea that democrats need to win by somehow convincing the country to engage in an honest policy discussion is a fantasy. It will never happen.

 

[cytg111]

Freaking out is never a sane response, but it is a sign of maturity.

The appropriate response is to honestly evaluate how he won and use the system of checks and balances to contain him.

Yes you do strike me as that guy who walks quietly into the night.

 

[Pohemi]

That was always going to happen because policy implementation never takes a front seat. The closest it ever got was probably with the ACA and even then the things driving the narrative were made up lies like death panels.

The idea that democrats need to win by somehow convincing the country to engage in an honest policy discussion is a fantasy. It will never happen.

Democrats have been trying to campaign and win on policy and logic without success for too long now. Too many voters, especially those entrenched in rural areas and lives, vote on social issues, feels, inherited biases, and government handouts. Republicans know how to use not only people's beliefs to get them to fall in line, but their fear of those who don't share those same beliefs. They've been masters of demonizing Democrats and liberals, and fighting dirty when need be. Most Democrats aren't willing to stoop to their level of lies, misinformation, and mud-slinging...and it ends up costing them.

Edit: I'm not trying to say that Democrats need to stoop to the level of their opponents in campaigning, only that too many voters in the US don't listen to logic or reason, much less anything else. They don't listen to anything but claims by members of the GOP or Fox News. It's sad and I don't know how to fix it. These people seem brainwashed to me.

 

[umbrella39]

I am saying the time has come. The rule of law, decorum, none of this matters in Politics year 2020... the people in the rust belt need and want to hear carnival barkers... they just need a new voice...