Stickin' it to the liberals

[fskimospy]

But, but Democrats haven't helped them either in the face of overwhelming obstruction! Bothsides!

As I've said before it's a strange and scary thread in American conservatism where they see the success of the northeast and the west coast but instead of wanting to emulate it conservatives seek to bring the coastal populations down to their level.

To which I responded

Deservedly so. Solyndra was a government vetting failure that killed any momentum behind federal investments in green energy.

wut

I remember Obama bailing out industries that were “too big to fail”, again due to lack of government oversight.

He's saying that Solyndra was one part of a large program, the vast majority of which was very successful. As the program was purposefully created to back companies pursuing unproven and risky green technologies it was inevitable that some of the investments would fail. In fact, had none failed that would indicate the government wasn't taking enough risks.

Conservatives never cared about the success rate though because they had no interest in the program succeeding or existing to begin with.

 

[thilanliyan]

As I've said before it's a strange and scary thread in American conservatism where they see the success of the northeast and the west coast but instead of wanting to emulate it conservatives seek to bring the coastal populations down to their level.

Being so anti-socialist (OMG communism!!!!) you'd think they'd be totally against doing that...

 

[Starbuck1975]

Again, these are just excuses as to why those areas are not competitive. At least you are implicitly accepting that the interior can’t survive without the coasts supporting them.

Lots of things can’t survive without tax revenues or subsidies, especially in a global economy. That is why social safety nets exist.

Research clearly shows that inner city kids in those areas are much more likely to escape poverty than the rural poor. In every way if you’re going to be poor, better to be poor in a blue state city than anywhere else.

It’s a marginal advantage at best. You served in the Navy, so I assume you saw the similarities between an enlisted kid from Brooklyn versus the bayou.

It’s ironic then that those areas keep voting to shoot themselves in the foot.

You have one party acknowledging their pain but doing nothing to alleviate it and the other party dismissing them as deplorables. It’s not ironic at all.

 

[thilanliyan]

You have one party acknowledging their pain but doing nothing to alleviate it and the other party dismissing them as deplorables. It’s not ironic at all.

However, there ARE actual policy proposals (such as universal healthcare) from the Dem side that can help these areas. Pretty much crickets from the GOP.
Problem is people vote with feels, not their brains, and that goes for some on both sides.

How many "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" shirts have they sold?

 

[Starbuck1975]

How would you suggest they do that? Some people are just not interested in facts. Economy and healthcare are probably 2 of the biggest issues, and despite all the evidence of GOP doing what they can to enrich the already wealthy and prevent the reduction of medical costs, people STILL vote for them.

It might be possible if people paid attention to actual policies instead of catch phrases, or whether there was a "(R)" or "(D)" beside someone's name, but that's not how it works currently.

Warren was receiving a lot of positive coverage on her policy ideas, that was until one candidate decided to save her nomination by shifting the discussion from economic reform to race.

You can’t win on ideas if your candidates insist on touching third rails.

 

[fskimospy]

Lots of things can’t survive without tax revenues or subsidies, especially in a global economy. That is why social safety nets exist.

Yup.

It’s a marginal advantage at best. You served in the Navy, so I assume you saw the similarities between an enlisted kid from Brooklyn versus the bayou.

It's not really about the people, it's about access to economic opportunity. The reason why the most desperate poverty in the country is concentrated in rural areas is that there's simply nothing else there and there's no chance for an enterprising person to do better except by leaving.

You have one party acknowledging their pain but doing nothing to alleviate it and the other party dismissing them as deplorables. It’s not ironic at all.

You have one party stoking a culture war to convince these people their problems are due to immigrants and brown people and the other party desperately attempting to help them despite those efforts being actively sabotaged by Republican legislators. For example the medicaid expansion would have helped millions of poor, white, red state people and would have provided significant economic benefits to those states. Republicans decided to decline the expansion and spite their own constituents because of the culture war against the 'libruls'.

 

[Jhhnn]

Warren was receiving a lot of positive coverage on her policy ideas, that was until one candidate decided to save her nomination by shifting the discussion from economic reform to race.

You can’t win on ideas if your candidates insist on touching third rails.

That's diversion, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

Lots of things can’t survive without tax revenues or subsidies, especially in a global economy. That is why social safety nets exist.

It’s a marginal advantage at best. You served in the Navy, so I assume you saw the similarities between an enlisted kid from Brooklyn versus the bayou.


You have one party acknowledging their pain but doing nothing to alleviate it and the other party dismissing them as deplorables. It’s not ironic at all.

The GOP rails against social safety nets. They are ideologically opposed to he federal govt doing that, yet that's what poorer states need.

he GOP may acknowledge their pain but they obviously won't acknowledge being responsible for it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

However, there ARE actual policy proposals (such as universal healthcare) from the Dem side that can help these areas. Pretty much crickets from the GOP.
Problem is people vote with feels, not their brains, and that goes for some on both sides.

How many "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" shirts have they sold?

Universal healthcare doesn't create jobs in rural areas.
It doesn't create hospitals in rural areas.
It doesn't educate them, or pay their bills for them.

 

[fskimospy]

Universal healthcare doesn't create jobs in rural areas.
It doesn't create hospitals in rural areas.
It doesn't educate them, or pay their bills for them.

It literally does all of those things. UHC means the federal government picking up the medical tab for a lot of health related spending in poor, rural areas. That means greater demand for medical services which in turn means more medical facilities and the jobs staffing them. Medical bills are a big problem for a lot of people and UHC explicitly pays at least a big part of them.

One of the most harmful effects to their populations from the conservative rejection of Medicaid expansion is that it not only cost those communities from a health perspective but it cost them high paying jobs.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's diversion, right?

For you, everything is a diversion

 

[Starbuck1975]

However, there ARE actual policy proposals (such as universal healthcare) from the Dem side that can help these areas. Pretty much crickets from the GOP.
Problem is people vote with feels, not their brains, and that goes for some on both sides.

How many "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" shirts have they sold?

I’ve never seen that shirt in public, but I still hear a lot of blue collar union and tradespeople still quietly voicing support for Trump.

Democrats also get distracted by issues that take them off message from those policy ideas, the recent assault on Biden being a perfect example.

 

[thilanliyan]

Universal healthcare doesn't create jobs in rural areas.
It doesn't create hospitals in rural areas.
It doesn't educate them, or pay their bills for them.

Okay, what about free or reduced college/university education? That's come from the Dem side...but oh noes socialism!! Commies!! Venezuela!!

 

[dank69]

To which I responded

You have zero posts between his post 36 which I referenced and this post where you claim you responded.

Deservedly so. Solyndra was a government vetting failure that killed any momentum behind federal investments in green energy.

wut

Nobody is surprised you have no idea about any of this. How long has it been since you unplugged from Fox News? You missed a lot. At least we know where you got the idea that Trump is Democrats' fault.

I remember Obama bailing out industries that were “too big to fail”, again due to lack of government oversight.

Do you remember Bush doing that as well? Do you remember how economists said if we didn't, the recession would have turned into a full blown depression, quite possibly worse than the 30s? Do you remember all the data clearly showing that the faster that countries pumped money out during the recession the faster they recovered? Do you remember the data showing that the countries that didn't pump money as fast took longer to recover? Do you remember how Republicans and the newly formed Tea Party went ballistic fighting against the stimulus? And convinced enough of you sheep to elect them to stop more of it in 2010? Even better, do you remember the only people fighting against the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the removal of regulations that allowed companies to become too big to fail in the first place? Do you remember when they specifically predicted during the dissent on the floor of Congress that it would lead to companies becoming too big to fail?

Just wondering how long you were blacked out for.

 

[brycejones]

The GOP rails against social safety nets. They are ideologically opposed to he federal govt doing that, yet that's what poorer states need.

he GOP may acknowledge their pain but they obviously won't acknowledge being responsible for it.

Democrats acknowledge their pain by actually putting forward policies intended to resolve the causes of that pain. The only ‘solutions’ the GOP ever puts forward are tax cuts and deregulation.

 

[Jhhnn]

Universal healthcare doesn't create jobs in rural areas.
It doesn't create hospitals in rural areas.
It doesn't educate them, or pay their bills for them.

You apparently believe a lot of things that aren't true-

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rural-hospitals-close-medicaid-aca_b_5c4734d8e4b09dd3f0cb1f08

 

[Jhhnn]

Democrats acknowledge their pain by actually putting forward policies intended to resolve the causes of that pain. The only ‘solutions’ the GOP ever puts forward are tax cuts and deregulation.

And culture war bullshit. Filthy Libs are the Enemy!

 

[Jhhnn]

I’ve never seen that shirt in public, but I still hear a lot of blue collar union and tradespeople still quietly voicing support for Trump.

Democrats also get distracted by issues that take them off message from those policy ideas, the recent assault on Biden being a perfect example.

You tried to derail the topic in that direction & now double down on the diversion. But it's not you doing it, it's the dumb ass Democrats.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You have zero posts between his post 36 which I referenced and this post where you claim you responded.

I responded, check again

Nobody is surprised you have no idea about any of this.

Less rambling, more links

How long has it been since you unplugged from Fox News? You missed a lot. At least we know where you got the idea that Trump is Democrats' fault.

Don’t watch Fox News. Trump is the fault and product of our values as a society, and I will place the blame where I see fit.

Just wondering how long you were blacked out for.

Not blacked out, deployed

 

[Starbuck1975]

You tried to derail the topic in that direction & now double down on the diversion. But it's not you doing it, it's the dumb ass Democrats.

yes

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump is the fault and product of our values as a society, and I will place the blame where I see fit.

Trump is the result of an anomalous result of the electoral college & the greatest political mindfuck of the modern era. He won the votes of less than 27% of eligible voters.

 

[cytg111]

yes

And then you #walked away. Copy that.
Speaking of duhversions, If someone wanted to stick it to Trumplandia all you have to do is figure out who is boning Melania, cause someone is and that someone is not Trump. Get that on a headline.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Trump is the result of an anomalous result of the electoral college & the greatest political mindfuck of the modern era. He won the votes of less than 27% of eligible voters.

They each got roughly 26% of eligible voters while 48% didn't seem to give a damn one way or the other. <shrug>

 

[Jhhnn]

They each got roughly 26% of eligible voters while 48% didn't seem to give a damn one way or the other. <shrug>

Not quite. Turnout was 58%

https://guides.libraries.psu.edu/post-election-2016/voter-turnout

Trump got 46% of that & Clinton got 48%, a 3M vote difference. 27% v28%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

He & his Russian friends bamboozled a lot of people into taking a chance on him. Not everybody who did that remains baffled by his bullshit. Far from it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And then you #walked away. Copy that.
Speaking of duhversions, If someone wanted to stick it to Trumplandia all you have to do is figure out who is boning Melania, cause someone is and that someone is not Trump. Get that on a headline.

Careful now, your TDS is showing