Steve Jobs - Leading Candidate to Exterminate the PC

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I never said "HEY EVERYONE Your stupid and my computer is better than your computer" I've said "Hey Everyone, In my personal opinion Mac OS offers a better day to day experience than Windows as an operating system"

Six in one, half-a-dozen in the other.
 

HAL9000

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You call American car a cheap POS when above makers sell you similar performance for 2-5x the price and are HARDLY or REMOTELY even reliable?

You are comparing 150-200k/1 million dollar cars to $45k.

You failed. Show me one car at $45k that Europe produces that comes even remotely close to Vettes performance.

THERE IS NONE and mark my words, there never will be.

European cars are JUST like Apple. Sell you WORST crap for double the price (if not more). They prey on people's ignorance and "brand" image.

Reliability is what dictates "cheap or POS" and everyone and their mother knows that unless you are talking 80s Diesel Mercedes......European cars are unreliable and too complex for their own good.

As an owner of European cars, I would never EVER recommend having a European car outside of warranty (heck even WITH warranty at times).

Heck even the best German study out there labeled German cars as POOR reliability. I believe Kia and Hyundai won the awards for more reliable.

Once you get over the badge and see the reality....it starts to make sense. Face it, most people buy BADGES to impress other people....rather than a GOOD PC or a GOOD car.

THe days of "you get what you pay for" are somewhat over. More you pay....more they bend you over backwards. ESPECIALLY when we talk cars!!!

Corvettes are horrible plastic boxes with big engines, if that's what your looking for nothing else will do, this is one argument I'm not interested in, American's tend to think their whatever is the best, so if you want to think that, that's fine. Enjoy. You like your stuff I like everything else, I'm not interested in discussing it on a tech forum, take it elsewhere. I'm sure you can have this argument in other places. If you want to think that means you've won, fine.

With the whole Apple argument, saying that Apple are poor products for a lot of money, is an obtuse statement, my Mac has two Quad Xeons, FB-DIMM RAM, A great case, and assorted other expensive components, it didn't cost me much as I bought it second hand but It's definitely not made of cheap/ poor components.
 

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Lifer
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Corvettes are horrible plastic boxes with big engines, if that's what your looking for nothing else will do, this is one argument I'm not interested in, American's tend to think their whatever is the best, so if you want to think that, that's fine. Enjoy. You like your stuff I like everything else, I'm not interested in discussing it on a tech forum, take it elsewhere. I'm sure you can have this argument in other places. If you want to think that means you've won, fine.

With the whole Apple argument, saying that Apple are poor products for a lot of money, is an obtuse statement, my Mac has two Quad Xeons, FB-DIMM RAM, A great case, and assorted other expensive components, it didn't cost me much as I bought it second hand but It's definitely not made of cheap/ poor components.

a) I'm from Europe (not American)
b) you have NEVER been in a Vette and have no clue what you are talking about. C6 Vette interior is better than new Porsches....if you ask me.
c) components in your apple are NO different than a PC
d) if you pull up a definition of "unreliable" chances are that English car name (Jaguar) will most likely come up. :D
e)) I know, reality hurts
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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a) I'm from Europe (not American)
b) you have NEVER been in a Vette and have no clue what you are talking about. C6 Vette interior is better than new Porsches....if you ask me.
c) components in your apple are NO different than a PC
d) if you pull up a definition of "unreliable" chances are that English car name (Jaguar) will most likely come up. :D
e)) I know, reality hurts

a) Irrelevant
b) Car Comment
c) This is my point, you said that apple products sell poor components at high price, they are the same as you just said
d) Car Comment
e) Car Comment
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Both of the things you said in that post were essentially the same, just like saying "Six" is the same as saying "Half-a-dozen".

Oh sorry yes that's true, whilst they both do mean the same thing one was a very condescending holier than thou statement, whilst the other was someone reasonably expressing their opinion, without judgmental overtones.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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Oh sorry yes that's true, whilst they both do mean the same thing one was a very condescending holier than thou statement, whilst the other was someone reasonably expressing their opinion, without judgmental overtones.

That doesn't remove your "Apple fan boy" status.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Those things are not the only criteria for fanboy status.

I prefer ATI to Nvidia, I generally choose Intel over AMD, and I prefer white chocolate to dark, these preferences don't make me and Nvidia fan boy, an Intel fan boy or a white chocolate fan boy does it?

If not then my preference for OSX over Windows shouldn't make me an Apple fan boy,

What is the criteria.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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I prefer ATI to Nvidia, I generally choose Intel over AMD, and I prefer white chocolate to dark, these preferences don't make me and Nvidia fan boy, an Intel fan boy or a white chocolate fan boy does it?

If not then my preference for OSX over Windows shouldn't make me an Apple fan boy,

What is the criteria.

If you were to talk about your preferences for ATI, Intel, and white chocolate in the same way you've talked about Apple in general and MacOS in particular, then yes, you would be a fan boy of those things as well.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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If you were to talk about your preferences for ATI, Intel, and white chocolate in the same way you've talked about Apple in general and MacOS in particular, then yes, you would be a fan boy of those things as well.

So by arguing that I prefer one thing over another thing it makes me a fan boy of said thing.

In that case I guess your arguing I'm a white chocolate fan boy then lol
 

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Lifer
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So by arguing that I prefer one thing over another thing it makes me a fan boy of said thing.

In that case I guess your arguing I'm a white chocolate fan boy then lol

It's not just arguing that you prefer one thing, it's also by simultaneously complaining about and criticizing the other thing that makes you a fan boy.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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It's not just arguing that you prefer one thing, it's also by simultaneously complaining about and criticizing the other thing that makes you a fan boy.

So by making the statement "I like white chocolate, it's a brighter color and dark chocolate tastes rubbish" I'm now a fan boy for white chocolate you think?
 

Patranus

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Yeah, OS is great for dummies that don't have a clue how to do things proper. What else is new?

99% of people are not 'techies'
A computer is nothing more than a tool.
This is something 'techies' forget often.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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99% of people are not 'techies'
A computer is nothing more than a tool.
This is something 'techies' forget often.

Agreed, when I suggest a preference for OSX I'm talking about the fact that 99% of people just do basic tasks in their operating system, using a simple easy to understand GUI which is exactly what HCI is all about, if your a techie, then often GUI is not a major concern, as it's generally very cusomisable and chances are you spend a lot of time in a CLI environment.
 

Patranus

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Agreed, when I suggest a preference for OSX I'm talking about the fact that 99% of people just do basic tasks in their operating system, using a simple easy to understand GUI which is exactly what HCI is all about, if your a techie, then often GUI is not a major concern, as it's generally very cusomisable and chances are you spend a lot of time in a CLI environment.

Don't get me wrong, I love OS X.

I love being able to do anything in the OS X GUI I need to do and then pop open the CLI and have access to all things linux.

People just want things to work. The media has made it look like a lot more people are techies than there really are.

Why do you think the BlackBarry is so popular in business?
Those people are not techies. They want something that is easy to use, simple to learn, and easily understandable.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Lots of things "just work", and they come from more places than just Apple.

Take no offense, but someone who thinks that when a person aserts a preference for one thing over another thing, by pointing out the advantages of their choice, and the disadvantages of the other, is probably not worth listening to.

Could you say to me in a post that I'm a white chocolate fan boy, as I'd like to put it in my sig. Thanks in advance.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Don't get me wrong, I love OS X.

I love being able to do anything in the OS X GUI I need to do and then pop open the CLI and have access to all things linux.

People just want things to work. The media has made it look like a lot more people are techies than there really are.

Why do you think the BlackBarry is so popular in business?
Those people are not techies. They want something that is easy to use, simple to learn, and easily understandable.

My friend this is the reason I like OSX, great GUI and as I spend most of time using a linux terminal the compatibility between OSX and linux is a fantastic plus for me.

To me, Mac OS is the nicest, most well polished Linux distro ever (with obvious differences)
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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Take no offense, but someone who thinks that when a person aserts a preference for one thing over another thing, by pointing out the advantages of their choice, and the disadvantages of the other, is probably not worth listening to.

None taken. You have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone else.
 

Patranus

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Back on topic.

Apple will have to get its act together on offering cloud services if it wants to continue to push onto tablets for casual computing.

It will be interesting to see how things play out with their new data center.
(And the other one they are planning on building next door)

If Apple can get streaming to iPads (your entire media library is on-line and you stream it) it is game over for a lot of home PC users.