Steele: African-Americans 'Really Don't Have A Reason' To Vote GOP

[cubeless]

or you can read this a whole different way, which illuminates steele's job as a guy who is supposed to figure out how to spend the available $$$ to get the most votes and get reps elected...

methinks he is saying that the reps didn't need the black vote so they didn't court it and that they might want to revise their targeting... but that wouldn't be as fun an interpretation to spew bullshit about...

 

[Train]

So much bad ideology on the right.

Ya, any programs for the disadvantaged are 'bigotry' The country has no history and legacy of discrimination at all.

Here's discrimination for the right:

First, give one group - let's call them whites - huge advantage over another. Then call anything done to address that or its effects 'discrimination'.

I hear slaves used to demand special priviliges. Free housing! Free food! Who was giving their OWNERS free housing and food? No one! Poor, poor slaveonwers, so abused.

This is how gays demanding that discrimination and resticting of their equal rights is the 'gay agenda demanding SPECIAL rights'. Oh, the poor abused heterosexuals!

The problem is you think black = disadvantaged and white = priveledged, which is blatant racism within itself.

Poor white kids get the shaft and rich black kids get hooked up.

How about we just treat everyone the same? Damn what a novel idea.

 

[xj0hnx]

How about we just treat everyone the same? Damn what a novel idea.

But then how are the dems going to continue to push their class warfare mentality?

 

[theeedude]

Noone except the super wealthy has any good reason to vote GOP.

 

[MJinZ]

The problem is you think black = disadvantaged and white = priveledged, which is blatant racism within itself.

Poor white kids get the shaft and rich black kids get hooked up.

How about we just treat everyone the same? Damn what a novel idea.

The problem is that, in reality, blacks ARE disadvantaged in general and whites ARE privileged in general. You can't really argue with that, racist or not.

Given equal circumstances, the white person gets the job, the higher pay etc.

 

[peonyu]

The problem is that, in reality, blacks ARE disadvantaged in general and whites ARE privileged in general. You can't really argue with that, racist or not.

Given equal circumstances, the white person gets the job, the higher pay etc.

Your generalizing. And also, in a black run company, do you think a white person would have a greater shot at getting a job over a black person...or is your train of thought purely a 'whites only discriminate' type of thinking. Im guessing its the latter.

Also Affirmitive action runs counter to your claim that under equal circumstances the white person gets the job...In a AA scenario, the white person would not get the job as his skin isnt the correct color.

 

[MJinZ]

Your generalizing. And also, in a black run company, do you think a white person would have a greater shot at getting a job over a black person...or is your train of thought purely a 'whites only discriminate' type of thinking. Im guessing its the latter.

Also Affirmitive action runs counter to your claim that under equal circumstances the white person gets the job...In a AA scenario, the white person would not get the job as his skin isnt the correct color.

How many black run companies are there?

How many white run companies are there?

 

[xj0hnx]

How many black run companies are there?

How many white run companies are there?

"There are well over 1,197,000 Black owned businesses in the United States." at least according to usebobo.com.

The biggest problem in our country is that we should not judge based on race, but at every opportunity race is used to justify the victim mentality.

U.S. Census Bureau reports the number of black college students in fall 2004 at 2.3 million, roughly double the number 15 years earlier.

 

[peonyu]

How many black run companies are there?

How many white run companies are there?

As another poster posted, there are plenty. And none of them have to abide by Federal law and hire anyone based on race. "White" ran companies, including IBM/Microsoft/Apple follow Affirmitive Action to the T and even thier websites have additional tabs about diversity.

 

[ciproxr]

How many black run companies are there?

How many white run companies are there?

How is that white peoples fault ? Do you know how many Hispanic owned business's are out there ? and they have been in this country for less time. How many east indians come here and own gas stations, convenient stores restaurants ? do they employee whites ?

The only problem i see here is whites are still the majority, which to me is not a problem to me but it seems like it is to someone like you.

The fact of the matter is, if you're poor and black you got the government behind you if you are poor and white you are screwed.

 

[Darwin333]

So much bad ideology on the right.

Ya, any programs for the disadvantaged are 'bigotry' The country has no history and legacy of discrimination at all.

Some of those programs have the same effect as slavery. You have an open invitiation to come down here and I would be happy to show you first hand the generational damage that is done.

I don't subscribe to either "extreme" side of the argument but I see the results first hand and those programs for the disadvantaged can and often do produce horrendous results that span generations. I can assure you, it is nothing any decent man would be proud of.

 

[Mani]

Steele's right. And the more his party and its followers continue to stereotype blacks as welfare queens voting on the basis of handouts, the more they will alienate them.

 

[xj0hnx]

Steele's right. And the more his party and its followers continue to stereotype blacks as welfare queens voting on the basis of handouts, the more they will alienate them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw

That doesn't help. Honestly race doesn't have anything to do with it, I know whites that voted democrat for freebies too. The democrats don't do anything to break that cycle either, as a matter of fact, they do what they can to further entrench people already stuck in the cycle of government dependence.

 

[Mani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw

That doesn't help. Honestly race doesn't have anything to do with it, I know whites that voted democrat for freebies too. The democrats don't do anything to break that cycle either, as a matter of fact, they do what they can to further entrench people already stuck in the cycle of government dependence.

And the sad part is how many republicans think those ridiculous examples are the norm for black people because they don't know any. It would be just as unfair to pull out some of the least educated idiots from a tea party rally and broad brushing them as the views held by white people.

 

[ProfJohn]

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The problem with your map as the red area is bigger than the blue, the dems have the blue where the most people are and the GOP has the red where the fewest people are.

If the USA voted by the acre, the GOP might win, but the USA votes by one eligible voter is
one vote.

As for my point about the former democratic solid South, your maps show long and continuous stripes of blue with frequent big blobs of blue.

Nor is the Irish Scott map a good predictor of overall political makeup, since red states outnumber blue states, it does not explain why a basic 3/5 of the Senate races went democratic in 2008, and the House democratic majority is almost as large.

You can't make any real long term determinations by looking at Senate results because only certain states vote every 2 years.

As for the house... let's restart this convo after election day 2010.

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW if Steele really did say what the OP states then it is finally time to through him over board.

 

[xj0hnx]

And the sad part is how many republicans think those ridiculous examples are the norm for black people because they don't know any. It would be just as unfair to pull out some of the least educated idiots from a tea party rally and broad brushing them as the views held by white people.

Where do you get the idea that republicans think that is the norm? Wait, wait I know, I know ...because you are doing exactly what you are accusing them of.

Let me ask you this, do you think any democrats view blacks the same way way as you accuse republicans of viewing them? I think it's ironic that the party that started the Klan, and now gears it's policies to perpetuate poor minorities dependence on the government is accusing republicans of racism. So they couldn't own blacks outright, change gears to own them through social engineering, brilliant.

 

[Mani]

Where do you get the idea that republicans think that is the norm? Wait, wait I know, I know ...because you are doing exactly what you are accusing them of.

Let me ask you this, do you think any democrats view blacks the same way way as you accuse republicans of viewing them? I think it's ironic that the party that started the Klan, and now gears it's policies to perpetuate poor minorities dependence on the government is accusing republicans of racism. So they couldn't own blacks outright, change gears to own them through social engineering, brilliant.

That's why if you read what I wrote, it reads "many republicans" - would you honestly dispute that?

Always amusing when people refer to the democrats of the 1800s to shame the party - like there is absolutely anything today's party shares with the one two centuries ago.

And to answer your question - yes, I do believe there are dems who see blacks in the same way - however there's obviously much less of them than there are republicans.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Always amusing when people refer to the democrats of the 1800s to shame the party - like there is absolutely anything today's party shares with the one two centuries ago.

How about the fact that you guys are all about keeping minorities poor and under your thumb? Wee'za helps you poor negros, juss be votin' democrat!

 

[Mani]

How about the fact that you guys are all about keeping minorities poor and under your thumb? Wee'za helps you poor negros, juss be votin' democrat!

Before you throw me in with your liberal fantasies, I oppose all but the most basic welfare and affirmative action in its entirety. Still pretty funny that you think the party led by a black dude is trying to keep them down.

 

[irishScott]

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The problem with your map as the red area is bigger than the blue, the dems have the blue where the most people are and the GOP has the red where the fewest people are.

If the USA voted by the acre, the GOP might win, but the USA votes by one eligible voter is
one vote.

As for my point about the former democratic solid South, your maps show long and continuous stripes of blue with frequent big blobs of blue.

Nor is the Irish Scott map a good predictor of overall political makeup, since red states outnumber blue states, it does not explain why a basic 3/5 of the Senate races went democratic in 2008, and the House democratic majority is almost as large.

I never said Republicans were more numerous. Your claim was that they were "becoming a regional party". I pointed out that in fact it is the Democrats who are regional, usually clumped around the urban centers, whereas Republicans span a much larger swath of the country outside of New England.

As for senate races, we'll see what happens later this year. They went democratic in 2008 largely IMHO due to a hatred of Bush/GOP and Obama's momentum. Now that the Dems have somewhat soiled their reputation with that health care fiasco and Obama's momentum has significantly dwindled among the non-Obamatons, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

Suffice to say I see the GOP picking up a few seats this fall.

 

[Soltis]

I'm black and I voted for McCain. The majority of black people that I know and that are in my family voted for Obama. At least 85% of them voted for him because he was black. I don't hold that against them though mainly because hes the FIRST "black" president, which is why most of them did it.

Neither political side is anywhere close to perfect.

I vote republican because I will be rich someday, while I imagine some who vote democrat doubt they will ever be "rich" someday, or even "well-off" for that matter(though not all). In the end though I don't worry too much about which is in power as ill make a good life for myself regardless.

It upsets me to an extent when I hear today's "racism" compared to the racism of 40-200 years ago and etc. People used to be chained up, auctioned off, drenched with high-pressure water-hoses, and even for Native Americans; "The only good Indian, is a dead one" mentality. The fact is the people back then would've given anything to only have to deal with the type of "racism" we have today. As far as affirmative action goes, really there should be such a thing for every race(including whites). It would bother me if an all black company was refusing to hire people of different race, and if you believe that all men are equal, you know eventually a situation like that might arise.

In the move Meet the Titans, there's a part where the co-coach?(a white guy) shows leniency on a black guy who fumbles the ball, and Denzel Washington's character gets very upset with him, eventually telling him that "you're crippling them, you're crippling them for life."

Black people started off with a disadvantage, and itll take some time for that to stop affecting us. But opportunity for success, or at the very least, financial independance, has been around for awile now. Programs like welfare that push this indefinite cushion between people and rock bottom inevitably only serve to weaken people. The fact is people need that rock bottom there to "wake up" or to never stop trying to succeed in the first place. If we're going to give people some type of welfare, it's alot better to use it for education in regards to finances, or college, or even public transportation, than just to put food in a mouth and a roof over a head.

 

[ProfJohn]

That's why if you read what I wrote, it reads "many republicans" - would you honestly dispute that?

Always amusing when people refer to the democrats of the 1800s to shame the party - like there is absolutely anything today's party shares with the one two centuries ago.

And to answer your question - yes, I do believe there are dems who see blacks in the same way - however there's obviously much less of them than there are republicans.

You forgot about the Democrats of the 1960s.

It was the Democrats across the south who blocked desegregation, stood in front of schools to prevent blacks from entering and who set the dogs loose and used fire hoses on peaceful black marchers.

 

[dmcowen674]

How about getting rid of the southern strategy for starters?

Why would they do that, they want the south to rise again.

 

[nick1985]

Noone except the super wealthy has any good reason to vote GOP.

Nobody except the weak and the helpless have any good reason to vote for the Democrats