[Steam Survey] GTX460 passes up hd5850 and hd5870

[tviceman]

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Despite still being widely available, having an 8 month lead in market, and incredibly low prices in the past few months, the hd5850 and hd5870 were both passed up by the gtx460 which is now the second most used DX11 graphics card among steam users. The budget-oriented 5770 is the most used DX11 card, with about 21% of all DX11 cards being a 5770 and 13% being a gtx460.

Other interesting notes:

The Geforce 9800 and 8800 series along with the gtx260, continue to be the top 3 most used cards on survey. The 5770 comes in at 4th, and the gtx460 comes in at 10th, with those two being the only two DX11 cards among the top ten most used cards.

Nvidia is used by 59.11% of all those surveyed, while AMD is at 32.98%.

Only 5.6% of all steam users surveyed have both Windows 7 and a DX11 capable card.

 

[badb0y]

Good news for GTX 460

 

[Elfear]

Not surprising being that you can get the 460 for arouhd half the price of the 5850 and 5870.

 

[Illyan]

The 460 (460SE, 460 768MB, 460 1GB) are ~$120-180 cards whereas the 5850/70 are still ~$180-250. Of course cheaper things are going to sell faster. That's not to say the 460 isn't a great card at a great price, but they aren't competing in the same segment.

 

[notty22]

Not surprising being that you can get the 460 for arouhd half the price of the 5850 and 5870.

Half ? They launched at 200-220 and many of the more popular 1gb models are still near 170-200 dollars.
The 5850's msrp was 259.00, they gouged for a while without competition.

 

[tviceman]

Not surprising being that you can get the 460 for arouhd half the price of the 5850 and 5870.

5850's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103085 - $195 straight up
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150477 - $177 AR

5870's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125316 - $199 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125326 - $199 AR

Show me where I can get a gtx460 for half of any of these, pleeease!

 

[RussianSensation]

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Despite still being widely available, having an 8 month lead in market, and incredibly low prices in the past few months, the hd5850 and hd5870 were both passed up by the gtx460

The 460 (460SE, 460 768MB, 460 1GB) are ~$120-180 cards whereas the 5850/70 are still ~$180-250. Of course cheaper things are going to sell faster. That's not to say the 460 isn't a great card at a great price, but they aren't competing in the same segment.

Exactly. Illyan got this right. Neither the 5850 nor the 5870 were ever as low as the 460 on average. In fact most 460s initially hovered in the $160-200 range while most 5850/5870 cards occupied $200-350+ price levels for a long time. Nowdays, most GTX460s hover in the $120-170 range, still far above what the average selling prices for an HD5850/5870 are. So it's rather obvious that the 460 would surpass them (esp the 5870!). Just like every single videocard above GTX460 in the Steam Survey also costs less than the 460.

Show me where I can get a gtx460 for half of any of these, pleeease!

There have been plenty of GTX460 deals for $90-100. In the last 2 months the prices of 5850 and 5870 really have come down. But the market share gains came all the way from July of 2010. Besides the point who cares if GTX460 gained on those 2 cards. It's inferior to both of them in performance. For instance, Sandy Bridge will gain market share faster than a GTX460. So does that mean SB graphics is better than a 460 too? Like what is the point of this thread as if not to start another NV vs. AMD flame war? If you just said here are the latest Steam Survey results, it would have been fine. I just dont understand what the point of comparing a 460 to the 5850/5870 was. The fair comparison is to compare a GTX470/480 to the HD5850/HD5870 imo.

Nvidia is used by 59.11% of all those surveyed, while AMD is at 32.98%.

Ya, but in reality the market share for AMD is actually 38.8% and it is 60.8% for NV. It's about time people stop using Steam as an accurate representation of the market. At best it's a mild approximation.

 

[96Firebird]

I don't particularly like Steam Survey data either, it seems very... wrong. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but does it do a new survey each month and tally the results, or does it keep previous data if the user doesn't partake in the new survey? I find it odd that the 8800, 9800, and 260 are the 3 most used cards.

 

[hdfxst]

I don't particularly like Steam Survey data either, it seems very... wrong. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but does it do a new survey each month and tally the results, or does it keep previous data if the user doesn't partake in the new survey? I find it odd that the 8800, 9800, and 260 are the 3 most used cards.

It's the percentage of the people who were surveyed.So if you weren't asked to take part in the survey or you opted out you're not in the results

 

[Mistwalker]

I don't get the 5850/5870 comparison either, but the 460 was an amazing value when it came out and still manages to hang in there today. Am not surprised to see those numbers at all.

What does surprise me are the 8800, 9800 and 260 claiming top three. Talk about some long legs!

 

[Termie]

Two observations:

(1) The GTX460 actually has a big advantage in amassing market share because it is actually two (or arguably three) models under one model name. While the difference between the models is similar to the difference between the 5850 and 5870, the 460 gets a huge marketshare boost by being grouped together. Obviously, the 5800-series as a whole beats the 460-series as a whole, but that wouldn't be a fair comparison either - it should probably be 5800-series vs. 460/470/480. (5800-series wins that, by the way, with 4.5% to 4.25%)

(2) Probably even more interesting than the 460 vs. 5800 comparison is that the 460's natural competition, the 6850/6870, doesn't even make the top 44 list. That's crazy, and just goes to show the marketing power (and initial pricing advantage) of Nvidia's card.

 

[Termie]

What does surprise me are the 8800, 9800 and 260 claiming top three. Talk about some long legs!

These are great cards, but the grouping is a bit misleading. The 8800 is actually comprised of at least 7 different cards in completely different price classes:

(1) 8800gts 320
(2) 8800gts 640
(3) 8800gtx 768
(4) 8800 ultra
(5) 8800gt 256
(6) 8800gt 512
(7) 8800gts 512

Am I forgetting anything? I don't doubt that these cards were enormously popular and very well-designed for the long-term, but they shouldn't necessarily be grouped together any more than other cards that are grouped separately, like the 3850/3870, their natural (if weak) competition.

 

[SlowSpyder]

5850's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103085 - $195 straight up
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150477 - $177 AR

5870's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125316 - $199 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125326 - $199 AR

Show me where I can get a gtx460 for half of any of these, pleeease!

Geez, you're nitpicking. On the whole, for most of the 58xx and GTX460's lives, the GTX460 was significantly cheaper. It was cheap, overclockable, and offered very strong bang for the buck. It's not a shock that the much cheaper card sold well.

And here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814187116

$110. Very close to around half the price of a $200 5870 (the person you are quoting did say around half, not exactly half and not a penny over...)

 

[3DVagabond]

Besides comparing 2 different pricing categories, the 5850/70 have also been EOL'd for months now.

The 260/8800/9800 numbers just shows how much nVidia dominated while those cards were available (before being EOL. I know you can still find them.). nVidia is no longer enjoying that market dominance. That's the most telling thing to me. That, and the apparent fact that people hang onto their cards, on average, a lot longer than those who frequent tech forums. We are obviously the "vocal minority".

 

[Skurge]

Besides comparing 2 different pricing categories, the 5850/70 have also been EOL'd for months now.

The 260/8800/9800 numbers just shows how much nVidia dominated while those cards were available (before being EOL. I know you can still find them.). nVidia is no longer enjoying that market dominance. That's the most telling thing to me. That, and the apparent fact that people hang onto their cards, on average, a lot longer than those who frequent tech forums. We are obviously the "vocal minority".

Yep, guess whats the card in the system I'm getting once I start my new job.... 8800GTS 512mb

 

[ArchAngel777]

I am very happy with my 460 GTX 1GB. I have it clocked at 822/1000. Was a decent upgrade over my 280 GTX and (provided my rebate comes) will have only cost me $73 bucks.

 

[tincart]

Well done for nVidia. However, if we're digging into the business end of things in terms of market share, I'm going to wonder which company is getting better margins off their products. We know the GF104 die is almost as big as Cypress but was pulling in significantly less $$$ per board sold.

It seems nV went the low margins, high volume route and ATi went for higher margins and lower volume, particularly when there was no competition.

I fail to see the value of these market share comparisons. The prime motivation behind releasing graphics chips is to make as much money as possible, not necessarily to get the most market share. High market share and high profit will often occur together, but certainly not always.

 

[3DVagabond]

Well done for nVidia. However, if we're digging into the business end of things in terms of market share, I'm going to wonder which company is getting better margins off their products. We know the GF104 die is almost as big as Cypress but was pulling in significantly less $$$ per board sold.

It seems nV went the low margins, high volume route and ATi went for higher margins and lower volume, particularly when there was no competition.

I fail to see the value of these market share comparisons. The prime motivation behind releasing graphics chips is to make as much money as possible, not necessarily to get the most market share. High market share and high profit will often occur together, but certainly not always.

Market share, or more precisely the change up or down, is an incredibly important statistic. A change of only a few % points, either up or down, will make or break careers in the corporate world.

 

[Mistwalker]

These are great cards, but the grouping is a bit misleading. The 8800 is actually comprised of at least 7 different cards in completely different price classes.

Ah, that's an excellent point, and does explain the 460 numbers a bit as well (768MB + 1GB + SE).

I guess the Steam criteria for grouping cards is simply the "core" numeric monicker?

 

[bryanW1995]

Half ? They launched at 200-220 and many of the more popular 1gb models are still near 170-200 dollars.
The 5850's msrp was 259.00, they gouged for a while without competition.

gtx 460 768 is commonly $90 AR. spend a modicrum of effort on a search and you'll probably find one right now in fact. I've said many times over the past 6 months that it is far and away the best low/mid card value by a very large margin. This is the same thing we used to have with amd's "4800 series", it's just not enough info. IMHO, the 1gb card is probably more popular, is a great value, and has probably significantly outpaced 5850 sales; unfortunately, this survey doesn't give us that info. Maybe when financial info comes out we'll be able to get some idea based upon gross margin % at least.

5850's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103085 - $195 straight up
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150477 - $177 AR

5870's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125316 - $199 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125326 - $199 AR

Show me where I can get a gtx460 for half of any of these, pleeease!

for somebody who spends almost as much time here as I do you seem to a very selective memory. galaxy has been $90 off and on since BF. Yesterday there was a long discussion thread about which card to buy in which the OP actually found another iteration of this $90 galaxy card.

 

[96Firebird]

Well done for nVidia. However, if we're digging into the business end of things in terms of market share, I'm going to wonder which company is getting better margins off their products. We know the GF104 die is almost as big as Cypress but was pulling in significantly less $$$ per board sold.

Has anyone ever really proven that size of the chip has any factor on cost of a product? I've seen it posted quite a bit around here, but really I don't think anyone has a clue as to how the size of the chip effects the cost to make the chip. If anything, I would guess a smaller chip would be more complex to make than a larger chip, but again, I'm just guessing.

 

[Slugbait]

Geez, you're nitpicking...

And here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814187116

...and this is where nitpicking starts picking up more nits. Not personally attacking, just want to make a point.

That 460 is just 192-bit, with only 768 megs. On the positive side, it's not an SE card, so it has 336 stream procs. Bump up $15 and get a Palit that is 256-bit with a gig, but you drop your stream procs to 288.

If you want the best of all worlds, the cheapest right now is the GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI at $170 AR (some will argue, "Hey, didn't you see the MSI for a couple-bucks cheaper?" Why yes, I did see that card...I am also well aware of the success rate with MSI rebates).

I believe there are similar differences with the AMD offerings...I just don't know what they are. But anyway, we can't be too broad in comparing cards based on their GPU designation.

Back to the topic...not surprised. My primary box is still rocking an 8800GTX/768, and I will be accepting delivery later today of a GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI that will be going in the primary HTPC. In the old days my 6800 was near or at the top of their list, too...it was a vanilla 6800 AGP, but I unlocked it, so it was probably counted as a GT.

 

[arkcom]

...and this is where nitpicking starts picking up more nits. Not personally attacking, just want to make a point.

That 460 is just 192-bit, with only 768 megs. On the positive side, it's not an SE card, so it has 336 stream procs. Bump up $15 and get a Palit that is 256-bit with a gig, but you drop your stream procs to 288.

Your argument is pointless, because this is a discussion of the Steam survey which counts all of the 460 series, whether they are the Sucky versions or not.

 

[bryanW1995]

ah, found it. post was 2 days ago, but rebate apperas to be good until may 1. looks like this $90 AR deal is more "on" than "off"...

$90 AR galaxy gtx 460 - 768 deal

 

[Slugbait]

Your argument is pointless, because...

And the first three words of the last paragraph were, "Back to the topic". But thanks for contributing anyways...