State of the Union Address?

[HomerJS]

How are people in America denied economic opportunity? Maybe it is just my "white privilege" (LOL) talking, but I feel like anyone that makes semi-reasonable, responsible decisions in America will do well, it will be hard to fail. Don't have that kid at 17 you can't afford. Get a job and work hard, opportunity is so very often disguised as hard work. Don't commit crimes.

There, I just gave every American a blueprint to success. Of course the liberals today feel that there should not be personal responsibility and everything should be handed to people..

and have daddy give you 400 million

 

[IronWing]

Your way sounds great if you are into people living paycheck to paycheck and losing the ability to financially afford to take risks in pursuit if improving their financial situations. Not having the latest iPhone or multiple TVs isn't denying people economic freedoms.

You're just a fountain of rightwing talking points.

 

[SlowSpyder]

and have daddy give you 400 million

Nope. That'd be nice and all, but the recipe I posted is all one needs to be a self-made person making a good living.

 

[Vic]

Your way sounds great if you are into people living paycheck to paycheck and losing the ability to financially afford to take risks in pursuit if improving their financial situations. Not having the latest iPhone or multiple TVs isn't denying people economic freedoms.

What is this my way you're referring to? I was simply pointing out a fact, not a "way." Fewer consumers means fewer jobs. Which in turn means fewer consumers and so forth.

 

[soundforbjt]

Glad to see Trump talk about late term abortion. A step in stopping the racist eugenics program started by Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger (a champion of Democratic values).

And I'm sure you and the republicans will be happy to increase social programs to help these children after they are born...right?

 

[happy medium]

How are people in America denied economic opportunity? Maybe it is just my "white privilege" (LOL) talking, but I feel like anyone that makes semi-reasonable, responsible decisions in America will do well, it will be hard to fail. Don't have that kid at 17 you can't afford. Get a job and work hard, opportunity is so very often disguised as hard work. Don't commit crimes.

There, I just gave every American a blueprint to success. Of course the liberals today feel that there should not be personal responsibility and everything should be handed to people..

Very well said, and unchallenged.

 

[Vic]

How are people in America denied economic opportunity? Maybe it is just my "white privilege" (LOL) talking, but I feel like anyone that makes semi-reasonable, responsible decisions in America will do well, it will be hard to fail. Don't have that kid at 17 you can't afford. Get a job and work hard, opportunity is so very often disguised as hard work. Don't commit crimes.

There, I just gave every American a blueprint to success. Of course the liberals today feel that there should not be personal responsibility and everything should be handed to people..

"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong."
- H. L. Mencken

The problem with people like yourself, Slow, is that you think you're so smart for figuring out what the rest of us already know, already tried, already realized doesn't work. The fact that your 'solutions' are so simple, are so obvious, should have been your first clues.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So you have conclusion evidence about your "most" claim?

It's about half with overstays.

Trump has worked hard at claiming to want to increase legal immigration and acted to do the opposite in reducing the number of legal immigrants in 2018, something the Republicans want as much as keeping down the number of voters.

We get into absolutely crazy talk with terrorists and drugs coming across the border and his recent Sicaro based statements about those cars being so much faster and taping women's mouths based on nothing is "special".

We had one of the biggest fentanyl busts which of course, as usual, was found at a port of entry.

Instead of lying about increasing legal immigration do it, hire the judges that Trump said was against common sense because of "corruption". If he would just stop his bald face lying that would be good but then people couldn't point about how Trump wants legal immigration when he and his party have clearly opposed it.

Use modern methods to stop illegal border crossings and do what is necessary to process immigrants quickly.

Courts release people because there isn't a means to do just that and so they are let go. Have the means.

I would agree to a compromise probably no one will like. I would support the ugly "I" word, internment, limited to 60 days and no more. No WWII long term grabbing of the "suspicious" nor separation of families. Those who commit violent crimes are immediately removed back across the border and I don't mean someone punches some guy and does no damage, but does that repeatedly, or is more violent. Domestic abusers go too. After that release, because enough people are hired to do that, right? A determination is made after time is up with the stipulation that any path to citizenship mandates a strict adherence to law. Start a protection racket, harm people, violent domestic abuse, a number of things and gone. If we have repeat offenders then break rocks at that point where they have demonstrated the intent to actually be criminals.

 

[zinfamous]

He couldn't even get consideration so in what world does he sail through? So you are saying that Mitch McConnell violated a constitutional right? Which one?

lol at the blatant dishonesty on display here. So, one well-documented piece of shit, Mitch, says "don't wanna do it!" equates to "not popular enough to sail through"? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? That is literally reinforcing my point that Mitch was pissing in his pants because he knew exactly what everyone knew--Garland was a flawless, uncontroversial pick. He alone had the power to singly stop the process that was Obama's right under the constitution. And you don't give a shit.

You fucking know it, too. Stop being such a disingenuous prick and try to start from a base of honest discourse.

 

[zinfamous]

Glad to see Trump talk about late term abortion. A step in stopping the racist eugenics program started by Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger (a champion of Democratic values).

that's a lot of abject lies in one post. LMFAO. You just don't care, do you? A lie repeated often enough, against the face of the actual truth, is just the same truth to you, isn't it?

 

[K1052]

I would agree to a compromise probably no one will like. I would support the ugly "I" word, internment, limited to 60 days and no more. No WWII long term grabbing of the "suspicious" nor separation of families. Those who commit violent crimes are immediately removed back across the border and I don't mean someone punches some guy and does no damage, but does that repeatedly, or is more violent. Domestic abusers go too. After that release, because enough people are hired to do that, right? A determination is made after time is up with the stipulation that any path to citizenship mandates a strict adherence to law. Start a protection racket, harm people, violent domestic abuse, a number of things and gone. If we have repeat offenders then break rocks at that point where they have demonstrated the intent to actually be criminals.

I'd be on board with much of this assuming we enacted wholesale criminal justice reform (not the tepid shit congress just passed) and actually got poor people, immigrant or not, competent non-overloaded representation. Poor immigrants are ripe targets for the failings of our existing system.

 

[zinfamous]

Very well said, and unchallenged.

lol if you think the same repeated vapid nonsense from slowspider hasn't been challenged here over and over again, with nary an attempt to defend himself beyond repeating the same proven lies as if they are actual policy.

Care to defend your own proven lies regarding your hysterical beliefs on immigration?

Or does "challenged" to you simply result in running and hiding?

 

[Blackjack200]

He couldn't even get consideration so in what world does he sail through? So you are saying that Mitch McConnell violated a constitutional right? Which one?

Who cares. When Chelsea Manning, Stacey Abrams, and Andrew Gillum are appointed to the Supreme Court as the 10th, 11th, and 12th justices, that will be constitutional too.

 

[Commodus]

Very well said, and unchallenged.

No, it's overly simplistic.

Slow is clinging to the myth that everyone everywhere has the exact same opportunities. Sorry, but a kid growing up in borderline poverty conditions, in crime-ridden areas with underfunded schools, is going to have a much harder time making it than a child of wealthy suburbanites who can afford to ensure their kid is both safe and guaranteed a good education. Hard work can sometimes overcome hardship, but that same hard worker is still more likely to thrive when money and education aren't factors.

Besides, it's a bit rich for Slow to parrot the "just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" fallacy when his hero is a trust fund baby who rarely works hard at anything and has a history of failed and fraudulent businesses.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Get a job and work hard, opportunity is so very often disguised as hard work.

That's very middle management of you.

Now for reality. In the corporate world the best way to get ahead is predation, not merit or hard work but by imitation of those you want to replace. The 'hard workers" are best kept at a lower level and not allowed to advance because in the ecology they are the best for higher parasites to feed on. But but but! Sorry, but the higher the level the fewer the opportunities and work does not suffice. The manager you want to impress sees you as a resource and a threat. No higher level organism wants to be replaced by bottom feeders no matter how good they are.

The key is to be a mimic. Dress like your superior if possible. Say all the corporate lines as stupid as they are. By becoming one of "them" psychologically the offer of a higher place on the food chain is far more likely. Rinse and repeat. Use sabotage only as an absolute last resort as it can bite you, but do drop names, do buy the "right" clothes, adopt the mannerisms of the next level you hope to impress. Don't screw up and find the right patron of course because it always rolls downhill. Remoras must be fastidious in their choice of shark.

That's a success in business, at least in the corporate world. Being a sociopath is a huge plus as nothing but the company is important. Breaking the law? Well, don't get caught and reflect badly on the bigger predators. With the right patterns of behavior, one can be a "success" by working hard at deception and mimicry.

Oh yes this has been examined and is well known by those on the "ladder" and those studying these things.

"Perception is reality" and the grunts who work hard don't understand or choose that path.

 

[SlowSpyder]

And I'm sure you and the republicans will be happy to increase social programs to help these children after they are born...right?

As long as everyone has ample opportunity to provide for themselves and their family, no. One should not have children and then expect the government to take care of them. That is a stupid way of looking at things. More lowering the bar.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'd be on board with much of this assuming we enacted wholesale criminal justice reform (not the tepid shit congress just passed) and actually got poor people, immigrant or not, competent non-overloaded representation. Poor immigrants are ripe targets for the failings of our existing system.

We need justice reform, absolutely. We need to clear backlogs of court cases and have a rational balance between reform and removal from society. Hell we need a lot of things. I wonder what cutting "only" a hundred billion dollars from the military could do if properly used?

We could use thoughtfully applied intelligence. Yeah, I know, "fat chance"

 

[IronWing]

It's nice that Happy decided to take a break from trolling the tech forums to come visit us. Hi Happy!

 

[vi edit]

I don't know why you guys even try to engage some posters. They aren't posting for conversation or debate. There's no "winning". It's like trying to tell your dog not to lick it's balls. He likes doing it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No, it's overly simplistic.

Slow is clinging to the myth that everyone everywhere has the exact same opportunities. Sorry, but a kid growing up in borderline poverty conditions, in crime-ridden areas with underfunded schools, is going to have a much harder time making it than a child of wealthy suburbanites who can afford to ensure their kid is both safe and guaranteed a good education. Hard work can sometimes overcome hardship, but that same hard worker is still more likely to thrive when money and education aren't factors.

Besides, it's a bit rich for Slow to parrot the "just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" fallacy when his hero is a trust fund baby who rarely works hard at anything and has a history of failed and fraudulent businesses.

Sorry guy, but I am an example of the former. My dad had an average middle class job, my mother was hardly around. I grew up in an area where I was by far the minority, at least at my school and in my neighborhood and those around me (Milwaukee in the 80's). All I hear are excuses made for those that refuse to put effort in and continued rewarding of such behavior by the left. You continue to lower the bar and society shows it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's nice that Happy decided to take a break from trolling the tech forums to come visit us. Hi Happy!

Everyone that disagrees with you guys is a troll to you. At least the liberals here have mostly stopped suggesting I"m a Russian bot. It is a good first step back to reality.

 

[Homerboy]

I don't know why you guys even try to engage some posters. They aren't posting for conversation or debate. There's no "winning". It's like trying to tell your dog not to lick it's balls. He likes doing it.

I say this all the time. I don't get why we continue to feed the trolls.

 

[Vic]

Very well said, and unchallenged.

Weird, cause I challenged it. And that went unchallenged.

 

[ivwshane]

As long as everyone has ample opportunity to provide for themselves and their family, no. One should not have children and then expect the government to take care of them. That is a stupid way of looking at things. More lowering the bar.

Aren't you anti abortion? So those that can't take care of a kid and wish to terminate a pregnancy so as to not burden society and the government are screwed by the policies you support and you say tough shit for putting them in such a situation, smart.

 

[ivwshane]

Sorry guy, but I am an example of the former. My dad had an average middle class job, my mother was hardly around. I grew up in an area where I was by far the minority, at least at my school and in my neighborhood and those around me (Milwaukee in the 80's). All I hear are excuses made for those that refuse to put effort in and continued rewarding of such behavior by the left. You continue to lower the bar and society shows it.

Ah...it all makes sense now, you have mommy issues.