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Bitek

Bitek

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New NPR poll has MB surging to second place nationally and qualifies for the NV debate.

It's quickly looking like a two person race between Sanders and Bloomberg unless Boots can hit a new gear. Everyone else is an also ran.

As I said earlier, Biden is a zombie candidate. So too is Warren, but even more rotten.
At least Biden can say he's still still has the best margin over Trump at +6, but Warren is only +1. MB does second best at +4, Sanders is only +3.

Despite IA and NH, Boots and Amy are not gaining traction due to lack of appeal to the minority base. (Further evidence of uselessness of IA & NH going first.)
Hell, Boots lost 5 pts nationally after coming in 1 & 2 and sits at a lousy 8%.

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/18/8067...-sanders-leads-bloomberg-qualifies-for-debate
 
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Bitek

Bitek

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Maxima1 said:
What was wrong with Yang? He's seeding UBI and bringing up issues that others don't. Understandably crowded -- they could have done JV debate like Republicans did.

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Goodbye To Andrew Yang, 2020’s Most Unexpectedly Successful Losing Candidate

Not a single Democratic candidate dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses — no doubt because of the messy result there. But the early states have now s…
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Yang proved Democrats can't even figure out how to give free money away properly and UBI is a loser.

He was a quirky enough candidate pushing an novel form of free money, but he could never explain it well to a public that doesn't understand what ubi is (not that it's even been proven to even work...)

It came off just sounding like a gimmicky welfare and his results in ia and nh were terrible.

Here's the lesson:

Keep it simple, just promise big tax cuts.

Ubi is dead as an issue.

At least when you say tax cuts, people believe it's keeping more of the money they earned rather than an expensive program to give welfare away to people sitting at home on their asses.
 
Fanatical Meat

Fanatical Meat

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Bitek said:
Yang proved Democrats can't even figure out how to give free money away properly and UBI is a loser.

He was a quirky enough candidate pushing an novel form of free money, but he could never explain it well to a public that doesn't understand what ubi is (not that it's even been proven to even work...)

It came off just sounding like a gimmicky welfare and his results in ia and nh were terrible.

Here's the lesson:

Keep it simple, just promise big tax cuts.

Ubi is dead as an issue.

At least when you say tax cuts, people believe it's keeping more of the money they earned rather than an expensive program to give welfare away to people sitting at home on their asses.
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and don’t have a campaign slogan of:
Make America Think Harder (MATH)

Too complicated, most don’t want to think harder and only an Uber Nerd would wear that on their hat.
 
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TheVrolok said:
Oh boy, the alt right is surely going to be confused now.
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I doubt it, what they are trying to do is damage Bloomberg and promote Sanders because they think Sanders will be an easier candidate to defeat in the general election. If Bloomberg does happen to win the nomination they will all 'mysteriously' decide to back Trump anyway. Do you guys not remember the exact same trolling in 2016 when lots of Republicans pretended to prefer Bernie over Clinton. I think Bloomberg has a pretty shitty record on this issue from his time in NYC and people are right to call him out on it. Let's not waste our time pretending to believe obviously dishonest shitbags about how they prefer him. When the real election comes around they know who the real white supremacist is, and they will all be lining up for Trump.

That aside, Bloomberg has one crucial insight that's going to make him a very dangerous primary opponent unless Sanders and others figure this out. Democrats want to beat Trump, they care about policy much less. Democrats should talk much less about their policy platform and talk far more about how they are 1) going to beat Trump and 2) how they are going to rip Trumpism out of the federal government by the roots.
 
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fskimospy said:
I doubt it, what they are trying to do is damage Bloomberg and promote Sanders because they think Sanders will be an easier candidate to defeat in the general election. If Bloomberg does happen to win the nomination they will all 'mysteriously' decide to back Trump anyway. Do you guys not remember the exact same trolling in 2016 when lots of Republicans pretended to prefer Bernie over Clinton. I think Bloomberg has a pretty shitty record on this issue from his time in NYC and people are right to call him out on it. Let's not waste our time pretending to believe obviously dishonest shitbags about how they prefer him. When the real election comes around they know who the real white supremacist is, and they will all be lining up for Trump.

That aside, Bloomberg has one crucial insight that's going to make him a very dangerous primary opponent unless Sanders and others figure this out. Democrats want to beat Trump, they care about policy much less. Democrats should talk much less about their policy platform and talk far more about how they are 1) going to beat Trump and 2) how they are going to rip Trumpism out of the federal government by the roots.
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Of course you're right, I was being insincere. Those who vote for Trump do so for one particular reason, and we know what that is and it isn't changing or transferable to any other current candidate.
 
Fanatical Meat

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Moonbeam said:
Then we could have two parties that are in total control of the wealthy. It might be better to have Trump than that. A spoiler spoils things.
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Choice A Trump picks the next 2-3 Supreme Court Justices
Choice B Bloomberg picks the next 2-3 Supreme Court Justices
 
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He should have ran as a Republican, because he is one. He's just a kinder more lawful version of Trump.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
which is better, you have to choose one
Trump picks the next 2-3 Supreme Court Justices
or
Bloomberg picks the next 2-3 Supreme Court justices

chose one or the other.
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Same shit either way except wedge issues like guns and abortion. I'll take another term of Trump instead of mainstreaming the Democrats as a second party of the oligarchy.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
Same shit either way except wedge issues like guns and abortion. I'll take another term of Trump instead of mainstreaming the Democrats as a second party of the oligarchy.
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so chose one Trump picks the next 2-3 or Bloomberg picks the next 2-3. Which one is your choice?
 
Jaskalas

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Fanatical Meat said:
Choice A Trump picks the next 2-3 Supreme Court Justices
Choice B Bloomberg picks the next 2-3 Supreme Court Justices
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I do not know "who" Bloomberg is. His policy. What kind of Judges he'd go for. Far as I know we'd be electing George W Bush.

The idea of the election being a "Republican" VS Trump is kind of WTF. I need more information.
 
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Jaskalas said:
I do not know "who" Bloomberg is. His policy. What kind of Judges he'd go for. Far as I know we'd be electing George W Bush.
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So as of what we know now, Trump picks the next 2-3 justices or Bloomberg picks the next 2-3 judges.
What is your choice?
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
So as of what we know now, Trump picks the next 2-3 justices or Bloomberg picks the next 2-3 judges.
What is your choice?
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That is not a choice. Trump must lose the election.

But that's the General, what about the Primary, why would we surrender the Democrat Party?
 
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Jaskalas said:
That is not a choice. Trump must lose the election.

But that's the General, what about the Primary, why would we surrender the Democrat Party?
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You surrender the Democrat party to Bloomberg you have already surrendered the general to Trump anyways. In that case I'd just hope for a landslide loss instead of a close loss so the Democrats would have to take a look at themselves instead of finding a scapegoat like Russia.
 
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