Starting to like Bloomberg

[JSt0rm]

She won't be getting the new Cadillac Eldorado or the set of steak knives.

you talk in some weird alt right code.

 

[Blackjack200]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230258153100632064

Honestly struggling to figure out what the difference is between Trump and Bloomberg at this point.

 

[Blackjack200]

Mike Bloomberg is a disaster

He’s bad at politics and running scared from his own record.

www.vox.com

When you've lost Matty Ice...

 

[pmv]

Nazi Germany in its later stages was also known as the Greater German Reich, which would also translate to the GDR in German.

Well I've learned something new. Turns out learning new things is kind of annoying! How many books have I read about the damn Nazis, and never encountered, or at least registered, that term?

However I'd maintain there's a reason for that, it's not in any way what the term is usually used to refer to, it's almost always referring to East Germany (googling it turns up little else)

But from how the debate went, Bloomberg isn't going to last the distance anyway, so it's probably all irrelevant.

 

[pmv]

Thank god Warren ripped out Bloomberg's soul tonight on that stage. I hope it kills his campaign. God I wish she hadn't done that retarded sexism attack on Sanders and burned the bridge she could have used to get the support of his voters had she outlasted him though. I hold out hope that this performance tonight will deliver Nevada to her and let her rebuild the momentum she had a few weeks ago. If we had ranked choice voting she would easily be my #1, with Sanders #2 and Biden #3. But since we don't she is going to have to build some momentum to unseat Bernie as my Super Tuesday choice (in Texas).

Warren comes over as younger and less grumpy than Sanders (who in turn seems far less old than Biden, who in turn seems more aware of real people's lives than Bloomberg) and also, it seems to me, she might do a better job at keeping right-wing Democrats on-side and dampening-down the more cultic supporters. I don't see either of those two as clearly better than the other, they both have pluses and minuses.

It's a shame the Democrats don't have one of those Brindlefly teleportation devices they can meld them together into a chimera candidate...stick Buttigeig in there for his youthfulness as well. The result might not be very aesthetically-appealing in outward appearance, though - damn superficial electorate might let that put them off.

 

[pmv]

Okay, fuck it. I'll explain it anyway, because maybe, by the slightest chance, you won't make this mistake again.

I went to high school with several white Jews and I can tell you for a fact that not a single one of them would ever be a white supremacist.

Do you know why?

What are white supremacists in the US identified with, besides the KKK?

Nazis.

Who do Jews hate more than anybody?

DUH.

That's why I found the idea so preposterous.

Anything else that you read into "A Jewish white supremacist? lol." is a figment of your imagination and is entirely on you.

Now please get off your high-horse and go be stupid in someone else's face.

There have been Jewish people among some of the far-right. I was reading about a prominent one recently, but forget who it was. It's probably a bit like gays among the Nazis - not all your fellow far-rightists are going to be happy about it, but you can maybe ride it out as long as you are a strong enough personality and on-message on the basics...and not all the far-right see 'the Jews' as the number one enemy. But if you fall foul of infighting it will be a massive disadvantage for you.

White supremacist is not synonymous with Nazi. It's about skin colour, ultimately. There are certainly plenty of racists who happen to be Jews, but just hate dark-skinned people...even dark-skinned Jewish people.

Though there have even been a few Jewish actual Nazis (that gang in Israel), but those guys seemed completely crazy. Clearly not much future in being a Jewish full-on Hitler fan. You're going to have to pick some slightly different flavour of far-right.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230312339712331776

oh man

 

[zinfamous]

Charlie Baker is a "republican" and regularly gets one one of the most liberal states in the nation to elect him by a wide margin

Governor Larry, too!

 

[zinfamous]

Okay, fuck it. I'll explain it anyway, because maybe, by the slightest chance, you won't make this mistake again.

I went to high school with several white Jews and I can tell you for a fact that not a single one of them would ever be a white supremacist.

Do you know why?

What are white supremacists in the US identified with, besides the KKK?

Nazis.

Who do Jews hate more than anybody?

DUH.

That's why I found the idea so preposterous.

Anything else that you read into "A Jewish white supremacist? lol." is a figment of your imagination and is entirely on you.

Now please get off your high-horse and go be stupid in someone else's face.

uh, you are aware that a lot of Nazis (the Hitler Nazis) were Jewish, right? Or had Jewish ancestry. And that a lot of the internet Jews (like the recently arrested ones that were members of "Al Qaeda"--lol--are actually Jewish?)

Simply, basing your argument on "Jews can't be Nazis" is silly, because we plainly know that it isn't true.

 

[woolfe9998]

uh, you are aware that a lot of Nazis (the Hitler Nazis) were Jewish, right? Or had Jewish ancestry. And that a lot of the internet Jews (like the recently arrested ones that were members of "Al Qaeda"--lol--are actually Jewish?)

Simply, basing your argument on "Jews can't be Nazis" is silly, because we plainly know that it isn't true.

A "lot" is an exaggeration here. There were a few partial Jews among military officers, generally one-quarter Jewish at most, and not culturally or religiously Jewish.

I know what you're saying. There are one or two Jewish Holocaust deniers floating around. But not many Jewish Nazis.

 

[pmv]

A "lot" is an exaggeration here. There were a few partial Jews among military officers, generally one-quarter Jewish at most, and not culturally or religiously Jewish.

I know what you're saying. There are one or two Jewish Holocaust deniers floating around. But not many Jewish Nazis.

Yeah, not true that 'a lot' of the (original) Nazis were Jewish. At most there might have been one or two secret only-technically-Jewish people among them. Would have been very dangerous situation.

However, if just meaning 'far right' or white supremacists - plenty of Jewish people among that lot.

 

[brycejones]

Yeah, not true that 'a lot' of the (original) Nazis were Jewish. At most there might have been one or two secret only-technically-Jewish people among them. Would have been very dangerous situation.

However, if just meaning 'far right' or white supremacists - plenty of Jewish people among that lot.

The person I was responding to was the first one to use the word Nazi in that discussion. The terms commonly used in that thread was white nationalist or white supremacists.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

one-quarter Jewish at most

Apparently I'm missing something, I thought Jewish was a religion, not a nationality? Or is this another one of those arbitrary delineations we as humans make to justify killing people?

 

[pmv]

Apparently I'm missing something, I thought Jewish was a religion, not a nationality? Or is this another one of those arbitrary delineations we as humans make to justify killing people?

It's not a nationality, but it's a religion that also has features of a racial identity, owing both to the rules of that religion and to the bigotry of outsiders.

The Nazis counted you as Jewish even if you had converted to Christianity - they went by ancestry - rather as Americans did with blackness and the 'one drop rule', I guess (the Nazis based some of their rules about race on what they saw the US doing).

Jewish people themselves can view it by birth (I guess depending on how conservative their form of Judaism is?), though in a different way to how the Nazis did. I think, if I'm not mistaken, that Israel adopts the same broadly racial definition the Nazis did - on the reasonable basis that if you are Jewish enough that Nazis want to kill you, you are Jewish enough to have the right to go to Israel.

 

[zinfamous]

Apparently I'm missing something, I thought Jewish was a religion, not a nationality? Or is this another one of those arbitrary delineations we as humans make to justify killing people?

...it's sorta both? There is the Judaism that you can convert to, and there is also "being Jewish" or something, which requires maternal jewish lineage. From what I recall, it really is the difference between a chosen religion and say, qualifying to immigrate to Israel under the claim of "returning to homeland" or whatever it's called.

You do have to meet certain standards for that, and it's not the same as simply converting. And of course you'll also find the older generations, even in the US, that retain the demand that the children, grandchildren, whoever, only date and marry other jewish people and will argue that having a partner convert isn't the same.

 

[qliveur]

The person I was responding to was the first one to use the word Nazi in that discussion. The terms commonly used in that thread was white nationalist or white supremacists.

I wasn't the one posting pictures of Steven Miller in an SS uniform.

 

[nakedfrog]

Apparently I'm missing something, I thought Jewish was a religion, not a nationality? Or is this another one of those arbitrary delineations we as humans make to justify killing people?

There's at least enough of a biological basis for some Jewish heritages to be at higher risk of some diseases.

 

[hal2kilo]

So I wonder if they got bags of money delivered overnight.

Mike Bloomberg says he’s willing to release 3 women from nondisclosure agreements

Mike Bloomberg said Friday he’d free three women from confidentiality agreements that bar them from speaking publicly about sexual harassment or discrimination suits filed against him over th…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Biden going in on Monty Burns

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230174235471089666

 

[Maxima1]

Yang proved Democrats can't even figure out how to give free money away properly and UBI is a loser.

It didn't prove that at all. Yang is an outsider trying to fill in a vacuum already filled by Warren and Bernie. In AK, the Republicans sought to increase their oil fund handout which effectively acts like a UBI.

He was a quirky enough candidate pushing an novel form of free money, but he could never explain it well to a public that doesn't understand what ubi is (not that it's even been proven to even work...)

It only doesn't work if people stop working, but I doubt the people that matter would just drop everything for $12K a year. As is, the economy has a tough time being inclusive to everyone. That's why Bernie and some of the establishment have been open to a job guarantee in hopes to get millions more in the economy. But a job guarantee is really expensive and is contingent on the productivity increase from those workers. I'm skeptical of the kind of jobs they would provide if they're only getting $30k + ~10K benefits vs a military pharm tech ave. 20 yr career being $65-75K + above min wage retirement at 38 for life. Sounds like a command economy. But I guess that's why they call him Bernie the Red.

It came off just sounding like a gimmicky welfare

A lot of that pop wouldn't get much from it since it offsets SS and replaces SSI. For others, they receive something instead of falling through the cracks (i.e. participation in eligible programs is low), and it would probably lessen mental health and crime issues, since some of the situational problems would be addressed rather than paying mental health workers to talk to them. And of course it replaces the expensive bureaucracy and compliance (e.g. seeing doctors, judges, lawyers, and workers who solely exist for the implementation of the program, etc.).

For most of everyone else working, it's effectively like unionization.

and his results in ia and nh were terrible.

So everyone else is extra terrible?

Ubi is dead as an issue.

I had no illusions UBI was going to happen anytime soon, but it's good to see someone laying the seeds for it.

 

[Jaskalas]

I had no illusions UBI was going to happen anytime soon, but it's good to see someone laying the seeds for it.

Poor Republicans already think that, if they "make it rich" with 6 figures, that the government ultimately taxes HALF their income.

Basic Income only requires 25%.

It is economic illiteracy that makes anyone hesitant to provide economic security to everyone.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Someone -- Moonbeam I think -- said that suddenly we'll have parties totally in control of the wealthy with the Bloomberg candidacy.

I have to disagree, based on what I've seen and heard so far. I do not believe that Bloomberg is pursuing the presidency to advance his personal interests or those of the "class" in which he thrives.

I say -- if a philanthropist comes along and offers $400 million to advance your cause -- take the f***ing money! Use the money you'd have spent otherwise to advance another candidate, and spend it on senatorial campaigns. Dump it into the DSCC coffers, and run the same ad campaign as Bloomberg's in states like Kentucky to bury McConnell and the others.

Then -- with a "quasi-Dem" Trump Despiser in the White House, a Dem majority in the Senate and House -- reform campaign finance, rebuild the civil service, and move forward with a Progressive agenda.

 

[pmv]

I have to disagree, based on what I've seen and heard so far. I do not believe that Bloomberg is pursuing the presidency to advance his personal interests or those of the "class" in which he thrives.

I would disagree on that - I think that's exactly what he's doing. Fortunately he appears to also be a poor campaigner with an unappealing personality, so it's probably moot.

And if Moonbeam said that, I agree - Bloomberg as candidate would be a distressing symptom of the creeping plutocracy.

 

[pmv]

Occurs to me that the unintended implication of my last comment is that Trump has an appealing personality! But he's appealing to a very different target audience than Bloomberg (who needs to attract non-crazy people), plus, well, he does have a certain entertainment value that Bloomberg lacks.

 

[SP33Demon]

Poor Republicans already think that, if they "make it rich" with 6 figures, that the government ultimately taxes HALF their income.

Basic Income only requires 25%.

It is economic illiteracy that makes anyone hesitant to provide economic security to everyone.

Stop lying. I make 6 figures and my taxes went DOWN this year bracket-wise b/c of the new tax law.