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[shortylickens]

I was just watching The Guild and realized something.
We all need to get lives.
Carry on.

 

[evident]

look at options

 

[shortylickens]

look at options

Theres an option for us to have lives?

 

[konakona]

I've been reading some korean forums and the resounding theme is the marauder being waaaay to overpowered - too powerful and versatile, no hard counters against, etc etc - part of the reason why terran is broken (according to them)

The consensus there is teran > *.* in most all cases except a real good zerg player playing to his max potential can become competitive. My friends playing in the platinum league in the US seem to think otherwise, suggesting that protoss is overall the most powerful. Wonder what makes the difference..

 

[Glitchny]

I've been reading some korean forums and the resounding theme is the marauder being waaaay to overpowered - too powerful and versatile, no hard counters against, etc etc - part of the reason why terran is broken (according to them)

The consensus there is teran > *.* in most all cases except a real good zerg player playing to his max potential can become competitive. My friends playing in the platinum league in the US seem to think otherwise, suggesting that protoss is overall the most powerful. Wonder what makes the difference..

A lot of it has to do with the different playstyles in each region. Most Korean games are over insanely fast as they just go for the win as fast as possible whereas a lot of US games tend to last more towards mid-late game tech. The Marauder is a strong unit and the slow upgrade may need to be more expensive but in the MLG tourny held last week Terran didn't make the finals and it ended up being 1st - Toss, 2nd - Toss, 3rd - Toss.

 

[Aikouka]

I've always wondered why Zerg is the only race without a T1 unit that has a damage bonus against armored.

Protoss has Stalkers and Terran has Marauders. You'd suspect with those units that the Roach would have an armor damage bonus, but it doesn't... since the Stalkers and Marauders are both armored units with an armor damage bonus.

 

[Glitchny]

I've always wondered why Zerg is the only race without a T1 unit that has a damage bonus against armored.

Protoss has Stalkers and Terran has Marauders. You'd suspect with those units that the Roach would have an armor damage bonus, but it doesn't... since the Stalkers and Marauders are both armored units with an armor damage bonus.

yea it's strange, Terran also seem to have a boatload of "bonus damage" units where zerg doesn't have many.

 

[Aikouka]

yea it's strange, Terran also seem to have a boatload of "bonus damage" units where zerg doesn't have many.

I'm assuming it might be part of their ability to burrow and regen life quickly, but doesn't researching Burrow require a Lair (T2) anyway?

 

[Schfifty Five]

I'm assuming it might be part of their ability to burrow and regen life quickly, but doesn't researching Burrow require a Lair (T2) anyway?

Yes it does require a Lair.

The only unit I know that regens life quickly while burrowed is roaches. All other units do not gain any bonus regen while burrowed AFAIK.

 

[Pia]

I've always wondered why Zerg is the only race without a T1 unit that has a damage bonus against armored.

Race flavor. It was the same in original SC. As a rule, zerg units deal their full damage to everything whereas a terran's troops are nearly all specialists and must target specific elements of the opponent's army to be effective. If the zerg's troops stay alive for a while, an opposing terran or toss army is guaranteed to take heavy damage and is likely to lose. In contrast, even if a mass of hellions or reapers stays alive for a while, there's no guarantee they are inflicting serious harm on a zerg army - they could be shooting at roaches.

 

[Dumac]

I met Day9....

He's way taller than he looks like in his vlogs.

 

[Aikouka]

That Day9 guy is so odd... I've been watching some of his videos.

 

[Glitchny]

That Day9 guy is so odd... I've been watching some of his videos.

His dailies are pretty informative and he is very knowledgeable about the game but sometimes he can be strange. The vids are always fun though. He used to be an A/A- player in broodwar and played in a bunch of tourneys etc. His brother (Tasteless) is the caster for the GomTV Korean Starcraft league that just started, and I think Day9 casts most of the MLG stuff or is going to in the future.

Husky is the most odd SC2 caster but he is hysterical sometimes, I generally watch his casts for the humor, day9 to learn how to get better.


Also on a different note. WoohOOO! just got promoted to platinum rank 26 after my 51st game. My opponent tried to Thor drop me.. does that actually work?

As soon as he landed I had 15marines and 2 tanks blowing down his front door and just mopped him up. He apparently lost track of his drop as I was killing his base because I had enough time to make 4 marauders and another tank in my base and kill his drop army with only losing 2 turrets, a refinery and some scv's.

But unseiged tanks and marines with stim just ate his Thor in about 6 seconds.

 

[Aikouka]

His dailies are pretty informative and he is very knowledgeable about the game but sometimes he can be strange. The vids are always fun though. He used to be an A/A- player in broodwar and played in a bunch of tourneys etc. His brother (Tasteless) is the caster for the GomTV Korean Starcraft league that just started, and I think Day9 casts most of the MLG stuff or is going to in the future.

There's some good advice, but I get some good laughs out of it too.

I wish he'd put a link to the replays that he uses in the videos though.

Also on a different note. WoohOOO! just got promoted to platinum rank 26 after my 51st game. My opponent tried to Thor drop me.. does that actually work?

I can't imagine a Thor drop would be that great. They're strong units, but your tanks gain bonus damage to armor and they don't do so well against (stim'd) Marines... especially not Marauders.

Thors are good against air though with the splash damage, but their bonus is against Light Air ( mutas ).

Maybe the guy just liked the Ahnold voice?

 

[Glitchny]

I can't imagine a Thor drop would be that great. They're strong units, but your tanks gain bonus damage to armor and they don't do so well against (stim'd) Marines... especially not Marauders.

Thors are good against air though with the splash damage, but their bonus is against Light Air ( mutas ).

Maybe the guy just liked the Ahnold voice? [/QUOTE]

Yea I dunno what he was thinking. The funny part was that he asked what league I was in and then was surprised I was in gold and not in 1st place and he tried that lame strat. He even tried to hide the armory from me by placing it across the map. Which didn't really help him.

I pretty much never bring out Thors unless it's against zerg.

I also played another plat terran right before this guy who shouldn't be in plat. I was never threatened once and just marched across steppes of war with tank/bunker lines. I was set up on the plateau outside of his ramp with tanks, and he never made more than like 20 scv's.

But I've gotten my strat for tvt down pretty well now. Just marines/tanks/viks works very well. Works extremely well if they try to tech into thors.

 

[Dumac]

His dailies are pretty informative and he is very knowledgeable about the game but sometimes he can be strange. The vids are always fun though. He used to be an A/A- player in broodwar and played in a bunch of tourneys etc. His brother (Tasteless) is the caster for the GomTV Korean Starcraft league that just started, and I think Day9 casts most of the MLG stuff or is going to in the future.

Husky is the most odd SC2 caster but he is hysterical sometimes, I generally watch his casts for the humor, day9 to learn how to get better.


Also on a different note. WoohOOO! just got promoted to platinum rank 26 after my 51st game. My opponent tried to Thor drop me.. does that actually work?

As soon as he landed I had 15marines and 2 tanks blowing down his front door and just mopped him up. He apparently lost track of his drop as I was killing his base because I had enough time to make 4 marauders and another tank in my base and kill his drop army with only losing 2 turrets, a refinery and some scv's.

But unseiged tanks and marines with stim just ate his Thor in about 6 seconds.

It can work against Protoss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3egyvH-DU

 

[Barfo]

lol, I've never built a single Thor in multiplayer, ever.

 

[Aikouka]

lol, I've never built a single Thor in multiplayer, ever.

I never have either... they can easily turn into a huge waste of resources if your opponent has some good anti-armor units .

I remember one Terran guy built a few Thors against me and I destroyed them so quickly. I think the guy was even surprised at how badly they lost .

 

[Glitchny]

I never have either... they can easily turn into a huge waste of resources if your opponent has some good anti-armor units .

I remember one Terran guy built a few Thors against me and I destroyed them so quickly. I think the guy was even surprised at how badly they lost .

Yea they aren't the "ultimate" unit a lot of people think they are, they are situational but need to have a support group or they are wasted.

 

[Barfo]

I never have either... they can easily turn into a huge waste of resources if your opponent has some good anti-armor units .

I remember one Terran guy built a few Thors against me and I destroyed them so quickly. I think the guy was even surprised at how badly they lost .

Yeah that's what I think, plus they're too slow.

In other news, I just need to get gold in one challenge to get the Spectre portrait :biggrin:

 

[beginner99]

A lot of it has to do with the different playstyles in each region. Most Korean games are over insanely fast as they just go for the win as fast as possible whereas a lot of US games tend to last more towards mid-late game tech. The Marauder is a strong unit and the slow upgrade may need to be more expensive but in the MLG tourny held last week Terran didn't make the finals and it ended up being 1st - Toss, 2nd - Toss, 3rd - Toss.

Maybe that's why zealot build/cooldown time will increase. To many zealot rushes.

The problem is at what level you compare races. if you are "micro king" sentries and high temps can be very useful but for more normal/casual players it's just not that great.
Another example are phoenix with graviton beam. Or moving around DT's in the opponents base or middle of the map to harass.
In contrast to that MM(M) needs almost 0 micro and beats a Stalker/zealot army of equal strenght.

 

[JJChicken]

I've updated the handle list for anyone who posted in the other thread. This thread is too big so I'm too lazy to trawl through it. If I missed you, please PM me.

On another note, who here listens to Day9 Dailies? I find them quite interesting.

 

[shortylickens]

Battlecruisers are a little slower and much weaker than I remember. And given the resource cost they arent too useful unless you micromanaged a good game and have ridiculous resources to spare.

 

[Aikouka]

Battlecruisers are a little slower and much weaker than I remember. And given the resource cost they arent too useful unless you micromanaged a good game and have ridiculous resources to spare.

I was watching Day9 and the guy mentioned that the one terran should use BCs since he has air control. It kind of makes sense since Terran don't have Wraiths anymore so they either need Banshees or BCs to AtS.

 

[Glitchny]

I've updated the handle list for anyone who posted in the other thread. This thread is too big so I'm too lazy to trawl through it. If I missed you, please PM me.

On another note, who here listens to Day9 Dailies? I find them quite interesting.

yea I watch them all the time.

Battlecruisers are a little slower and much weaker than I remember. And given the resource cost they arent too useful unless you micromanaged a good game and have ridiculous resources to spare.

BC's are still good, but they are a lot like the Thor in that they need to have support units with them. A single BC left alone will just get wasted due to how slow they are.