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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Episode IX)

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Not high praise, but Rogue One was better then most of the sh$t-heaps cranked out lately in Stars Wars Land.

(yeah, worth a watch)
 
For me, they all kind of blur together in a mass of mediocrity after the original trilogy, with the exception of episode one which stands out because of its awfulness. I also thought The Last Jedi was pretty bad. Even Mark Hamil said Luke would never give up and hide himself away like that.

My ranking IV ~ V, the rest meh.
 
My only real dislike with 8 was that we end up only getting one movie with Luke after all the tease up heading into 7. Dont mind the isolationalist they gave him, at most I'd say the anti-jedi bit may have been a little over done. But he did learn from Yoda, one of the strongest jedi in history who kept himself in a fallen tree in a swamp. By the end of 8, I'd like to continue seeing that Luke for at least half of another movie.
 
shortylickens said:
Its a good action film. Its a poorly told story and feels shoe-horned into the Star Wars universe.
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It's because of the bad character development in it. The only decent character is a Droid. The only saving grace is the action which was fun. The characters absolutely suck in it.

Solo was just plain boring. The guy who played Han was not a good Han. They should have gotten someone better and the guy playing Lando felt like someone trying hard to be suave like Lando but failing.

Both of these movies fail because they are movies made solely for the money, neither of these enhance the overall saga of the Star Wars universe.
 
Strong rumour buzz building that the initial teaser trailer expected as a surprise from Santa.

Also a reminder that release was pushed back to 12/19.
 
I've been sitting for a couple of minutes trying to think about what they could do in Episode 9 to make this story into something worthy of the originals.

Essentially the First Order now controls the whole galaxy, headed by Kylo Ren. The resistance is a group of people small enough to fit into the Falcon. (I can't believe I'm using joke terms like "The First Order" or "The Resistance" but that's where we are right now.)

So first off we shouldn't be seeing any large space battles. This is extra true because when Princess Leia tried to call in favors no one showed up.

Second we will have to get Kylo vs Rey lightsaber battle round 3. This is probably the only thing to look forward to in Episode 9 and we've more or less seen it twice already.

After those two the strongest characters they have left are actually R2-D2, C3PO, and Chewbacca. Unfortunately, they've spent the past two movies following Finn and Poe who both had their character development stall out and die in TLJ.

So my original thought was it would be interesting to see Kylo Ren win. It would be fun to watch him hunt down terrible characters like Finn and Poe. There's also still some emotional connections to characters like Chewie or the droids that could be exploited.

But the goal of Kylo Ren is essentially this:
  • "The Empire, your parents, the Resistance, the Sith, the Jedi... let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you are meant to be.
The realization of that goal would leave the audience with... Kylo Ren. That's it. I don't think there would be a single person satisfied with the ending of the Star Wars saga being "Here's Kylo Ren! He did the thing!"

So the good guys have to win correct? Let's end the Skywalker storyline with Rey. She can connect to it if we want or she could just be the one to end it. It's somewhat satisfying since we were really rooting for her in TFA. The problem is where the rest of the galaxy goes. Rey isn't a princess that can help restart a republic. She's a survivor. She frees the galaxy from tyranny and does what? I don't know. It's likely we get some form of Rey winning in another overall terrible movie.

But I'd rather they do this. Kill Kylo. Kill Rey. End the Sith, end the Jedi. We know the force has ruled the galaxy for millennia. But it could end in Episode 9. The Skywalker prophecy is completed and the force is balanced. The audience is left with an actual end to something. No Ewok dance party this time. No celebration. We can leave out the superweapons and the space battles since they don't fit with the story. Just have Kylo hunt the resistance down brutally one by one until Rey and have them battle to the death. Simple, i know, but I think it's our best bet for a solid ending to this terrible trilogy.
 
Majes said:
I've been sitting for a couple of minutes trying to think about what they could do in Episode 9 to make this story into something worthy of the originals.

Essentially the First Order now controls the whole galaxy, headed by Kylo Ren. The resistance is a group of people small enough to fit into the Falcon. (I can't believe I'm using joke terms like "The First Order" or "The Resistance" but that's where we are right now.)

So first off we shouldn't be seeing any large space battles. This is extra true because when Princess Leia tried to call in favors no one showed up.

Second we will have to get Kylo vs Rey lightsaber battle round 3. This is probably the only thing to look forward to in Episode 9 and we've more or less seen it twice already.

After those two the strongest characters they have left are actually R2-D2, C3PO, and Chewbacca. Unfortunately, they've spent the past two movies following Finn and Poe who both had their character development stall out and die in TLJ.

So my original thought was it would be interesting to see Kylo Ren win. It would be fun to watch him hunt down terrible characters like Finn and Poe. There's also still some emotional connections to characters like Chewie or the droids that could be exploited.

But the goal of Kylo Ren is essentially this:
  • "The Empire, your parents, the Resistance, the Sith, the Jedi... let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you are meant to be.
The realization of that goal would leave the audience with... Kylo Ren. That's it. I don't think there would be a single person satisfied with the ending of the Star Wars saga being "Here's Kylo Ren! He did the thing!"

So the good guys have to win correct? Let's end the Skywalker storyline with Rey. She can connect to it if we want or she could just be the one to end it. It's somewhat satisfying since we were really rooting for her in TFA. The problem is where the rest of the galaxy goes. Rey isn't a princess that can help restart a republic. She's a survivor. She frees the galaxy from tyranny and does what? I don't know. It's likely we get some form of Rey winning in another overall terrible movie.

But I'd rather they do this. Kill Kylo. Kill Rey. End the Sith, end the Jedi. We know the force has ruled the galaxy for millennia. But it could end in Episode 9. The Skywalker prophecy is completed and the force is balanced. The audience is left with an actual end to something. No Ewok dance party this time. No celebration. We can leave out the superweapons and the space battles since they don't fit with the story. Just have Kylo hunt the resistance down brutally one by one until Rey and have them battle to the death. Simple, i know, but I think it's our best bet for a solid ending to this terrible trilogy.
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Tlj just messed everything up. Ep9 will just be kylo dies and then sets up for yet another trilogy with rey. Artoo, threepio will die as they are antiquated. Chewie will live because everyone loves him and he's a couple of hundred years old anyway.
 
I dont know about that. At best I'd say they may have blurred some lines when filling in the details, but dont find any of it as a straight contradiction to previous material.
 
lupi said:
I dont know about that. At best I'd say they may have blurred some lines when filling in the details, but dont find any of it as a straight contradiction to previous material.
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Adding in the 'flaw' was a big part of the story, and it fixed what people were saying about how the shot Luke did was impossible
 
Oyeve said:
Tlj just messed everything up. Ep9 will just be kylo dies and then sets up for yet another trilogy with rey. Artoo, threepio will die as they are antiquated. Chewie will live because everyone loves him and he's a couple of hundred years old anyway.
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TFA set them up with an absolute mess so I wasn't surprised that TLJ was bad. They had nowhere to go without contradicting what happened in TFA.
 
Majes said:
TFA set them up with an absolute mess so I wasn't surprised that TLJ was bad. They had nowhere to go without contradicting what happened in TFA.
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How so? TFA pretty much ended on the same note as A New Hope, which set up ESB to be the best Star Wars movie bar-none.
 
snoopy7548 said:
How so? TFA pretty much ended on the same note as A New Hope, which set up ESB to be the best Star Wars movie bar-none.
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The problem with copying A New Hope is that there was already a Universe in existence for The Force Awakens. So when you throw up characters like Snoke or The First Order it makes zero sense to the audience because it doesn't fit with the previous movies. Don't even get me started on Starkiller Base...

The Force Awakens is responsible for the "Coward Luke" story line that everyone hates. TFA is largely responsible for Snoke being a throw away character. I think the Kylo/Rey storyline is actually decent in both movies.

The biggest mistake that TLJ makes (other than super princess) is the Finn/Poe stories. It butchers both of those characters. But I blame most of the rest of the complaints people have on the direction TFA went.
 
Majes said:
The biggest mistake that TLJ makes (other than super princess) is the Finn/Poe stories. It butchers both of those characters. But I blame most of the rest of the complaints people have on the direction TFA went.
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Nothing on Mary Popins Leia? Why General\Admiral whats her face doesn't just tell people what her plan is other than "Faith"? Casually killing Ackbar? The unnecessary suicide act of General\Admiral whats her face that means all future battles should just be drone piloted asteroids\ships\needles hyperspace exploding eachother and all planets nearby?
 
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