Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Episode IX)

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lupi

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Latest rumour:


  • Reports of the delivery initially started at Fantha Tracks, which claims that the package is titled “TT1-SW9” (which reportedly stands for Teaser Trailer 1 Star Wars 9) and encrypted with a KDM (Key Delivery Message), meaning the contents cannot be viewed until the recipients receive a key.
  • According to Fantha Tracks, there is no news on when theaters will receive the key and release the trailer, but based on how soon the trailer for "Aladdin" dropped after receipt of the Aladdin message key, and based on when the UK chain received the package, “Friday might be the day.”
 

Aikouka

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What the fuck is wrong with you people? Rogue One wasn't great in any regard other than it wasting resources and targeting man children that grew up begging mommy and daddy to buy them Star Wars toys. (Oh......ooooooh, now I get why you people liked it.)

If it makes you feel better, I agree that Rogue One is bad. The movie shared one problem with the prequels in that you knew the outcome. Since I already knew the story, I needed for the characters to be an interesting driving factor for the movie. Unfortunately, I think we can all agree that the characters were largely underwhelming. I think a lot of people give the movie credit because the last fight was actually done fairly well, and the Vader scene was really good. (It was probably the only time we've really seen what Vader is capable of.)
Ultimately, in my opinion, you could skip up to the final battle, not miss anything, and actually have a good time.
 

zinfamous

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What the fuck is wrong with you people? Rogue One wasn't great in any regard other than it wasting resources and targeting man children that grew up begging mommy and daddy to buy them Star Wars toys. (Oh......ooooooh, now I get why you people liked it.)

It was a middling attempt at fleshing out the shallow plot of the original movies, and then proceeded to fucking shit all over them by making it a gritty dark horrors of war load of shit that does not fit Star Wars (shallow action adventure in space). It actively shit on the story (gee, I wonder why they dropped us right into the action in the original movie, and didn't even bother with offering lip service about the sacrifices it took to get the blueprints as we don't need that to understand how important it is - it literally provides more weight for their importance in seconds than Rogue One does for the what like two and a half hours it felt it needed to try and accomplish that) and characters of the original movies (makes Leia look like a Turmp level fucking moronic liar, made Vader into a graphic novel dark villain every bit as ridiculous as "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Vader and CGI video game fighter Yoda), tried to make us give a shit about the sacrifice of characters that make the shallow stereotype caricatures (Luke, Han, Leia) seem Shakespearean in comparison (so in other words, no one gives a shit that they all fucking died, plus since we already know what happens in the grand scheme of things, just doubles down on them not mattering at all). Say what you want about JarJar but at least you felt something towards him. They could've replaced the main characters in Rogue One with fucking toilet paper and they'd be more compelling. Also say what you want about Ewoks but they were goddamn sexual tyrannasaurs compared to the motley crew of Rogue One. That's right, the fucking Ewoks were more compelling characters, they were practically Inglorious Basterds by comparison, despite how much Rogue One tried to posit them like they were supposed to be some ultra cool badass group out of a Tarantino movie. (Which, so they should have Cristopher Walken voice Yoda from now on, they both smuggled gold watches up their asses. Admit it, you're now hearing Yoda talking as Walken "Do. Or do not. There is no try.")

It needlessly tries to add complexity and detail for no fucking reason, and its doing exactly what all the other Star Wars shit is: exposing its exceeding (and entirely intentional) shallowness. That was what made the originals good and have such mass appeal. In fact, because of it being set right in the original timeline, its more egregious than the prequels or the sequels since they at least tried to put some distance from themselves.

The most laughable part is how much Zin loves Star Wars even though its got probably the shallowest magic/wizard shit in the history of any fucking pop culture ever, yet he constantly bitches about other shit that has objectively better formed fantasy worlds/narratives/characters (I can only assume because he's mad at how fucking stupid the Jedi actually are and how Star Wars would be 10000000000x better if they had never been part of it so he's mad that others figured out a way to make that type of stuff compelling and not so stupid that its actually more interesting as an outright joke than as seriously considered legitimate thing in that universe).

Which, thinking about the overall plot between all the movies, its pretty fucked up. The Jedi are VolCels that liked taking children and brainwashing them to be VolCel instead of InCel, and Anakin was an InCel that turned evil because some woman got his dick wet and the Jedi did nothing to help his mother (who was literally a slave). Which gee, seems like maybe the Jedi were molesting Anakin since that's often what leads to them becoming such monsters. And then their brainwashing turned him into an angel of mercy lashing out at women for it. That actually does help explain why there were so few women in the universe, Vader apparently became enraged over it so he slaughtered as many women as he could. That or Grand Muff Takin is really Mike Pence and was worried he'd be overcome by his urge to grab 'em by the pussy that he had them banned (but somehow Cinnabun Leia didn't do it for him - probably the pointy elbows - so he tossed her in jail that is literally right next to the trash compactor; also he probably goes out of his way to piss Vader off so he can get force choked since he's probably super into rape-play).

Just think what they could do if they applied the resources that have gone into making these what 4 mediocre at best recent Star Wars movies, where instead of saddling themselves with the baggage of the originals, they'd tried to make something actually unique, compelling, and interesting. Its pretty damn bad when the movies made about superheroes have more depth, more intrigue, far more compelling characters (seriously even the bit ones in the Marvel movies are better than all but the best Star Wars characters), and orders of magnitude more charm than your stories about space wizards fighting space Nazis with laser swords. At worst they should be equal. This makes me think of what Ozzy said about leaving Black Sabbath because he was embarrassed about them getting blown off stage every night by Van Halen. Maybe someone there can go "hmm, we've got unlimited resources, maybe we should stop doing what we know fails - cowtowing to nostalgic nerds - and come up with our own compelling plot and characters that are in no way going reduce the fun of the original films and so we'd be free to go in other directions, be it with more mature plots and characters, or if we're going to stay true to the spirit of the shallow but well done nature of fantasy action adventure set in space, let's get the fuck away from horrible "daddy was never there, whatevs, don't even care *roll tear*", racist CGI physical comedy caricatures, super ultra mega death star by neo-Nazis Empiricists, dumb attempts at wasting hours to flesh out a very minor and needless point of plot that setup the original movie.

The best thing Disney could do at this point is to St Elsewhere the whole thing and say that it was all a holographic dream by R2-D2 after he got turned into a sex robot by the real Anaking Skinfluter - who wants people to call him Vader while he trounces around in a black trench coat, mask, and hat - who is just some teenaged scuzzball dreaming of getting off his uncle's "moisture farm" (snicker) so he wouldn't have to be chugging blue milk that he probably has to do who knows what to get out of one of the very few women in the whole universe.

I think RedLetterMedia said it, they win no matter what. If its good, then great they get a good movie. If its bad, they get to make fun of it and bask in the schadenfraude of Star Wars fans trying to defend it and then having meltdown once they accept how horrible it is. (Search your feelings, you know it to be true!) But keep on fighting the good fight, you'll be remembered as fondly as these cardboard characters from Rogue One.

Damn bro--you OK?
 
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blankslate

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I only care enough to mention that I'll only watch this in theaters if it gets fantastic audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic....

If not I'll wait until wait until a friend lets me borrow it or watch it with them... probably along with drinks to take a shot every time there is a plot hole, disappearing weapon to give a certain character an advantage or someone pulls off a quadruple kill shot (since the triple was already done and is old)....


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zerocool84

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I didn't like Rogue One because the characters weren't interesting but the final battle was great. The whole movie is almost worth that last battle.

Solo just downright sucked balls in almost basically every way. It was a very mediocre "heist" movie with not even the proper Star Wars coat of paint. The ending reveal seems like it was thrown in because they knew it wasn't good. I don't blame the actors who played Lando and Han not being even in the same Galaxy of charisma to the original actors because that's an impossible task. The script was bad. All the forced one liners. We did not need an explanation for every freaking little thing in a movie no one asked for. Why did we need to know how his name was Solo? It couldn't just have been his damn name?
 

UsandThem

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Lots of hate for Rogue One. :p

I liked it. Yes, it was slow with character development (and a couple over-the-top characters), but overall I left the theater happy. The final 40 minutes or so was great.

Now, Return Of The JediThe Last Jedi was one I left the theater shaking my head about. The character Rose? Boring. Superman Leia? Beyond stupid. The big showdown? Nope, didn't really happen. Did we learn anything about Snoke? Nope, they "Boba Fetted" him right out of the movie.

Finally, Solo. I didn't see it in the theaters as there was too much bad press while it was being shot. I finally just watched it when it was available on Netflix for free. It was "adequate", and it would be one I doubt I would watch again or own. The droid annoyed me every scene it spoke in.

There's always plot holes in sci-fi movies, and I've learned to just look past them most of the time and enjoy the movie as a whole. I just hope the next one is good.
 
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Fritzo

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Lots of hate for Rogue One. :p

I liked it. Yes, it was slow with character development (and a couple over-the-top characters), but overall I left the theater happy. The final 40 minutes or so was great.

Now, Return Of The Jedi was one I left the theater shaking my head about. The character Rose? Boring. Superman Leia? Beyond stupid. The big showdown? Nope, didn't really happen. Did we learn anything about Snoke? Nope, they "Boba Fetted" him right out of the movie.

Finally, Solo. I didn't see it in the theaters as there was too much bad press while it was being shot. I finally just watched it when it was available on Netflix for free. It was "adequate", and it would be one I doubt I would watch again or own. The droid annoyed me every scene it spoke in.

There's always plot holes in sci-fi movies, and I've learned to just look past them most of the time and enjoy the movie as a whole. I just hope the next one is good.

I've literally never met anyone that didn't like Rogue One. :confused_old:
 

snoopy7548

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Lots of hate for Rogue One. :p

I liked it. Yes, it was slow with character development (and a couple over-the-top characters), but overall I left the theater happy. The final 40 minutes or so was great.

Now, Return Of The Jedi was one I left the theater shaking my head about. The character Rose? Boring. Superman Leia? Beyond stupid. The big showdown? Nope, didn't really happen. Did we learn anything about Snoke? Nope, they "Boba Fetted" him right out of the movie.

Finally, Solo. I didn't see it in the theaters as there was too much bad press while it was being shot. I finally just watched it when it was available on Netflix for free. It was "adequate", and it would be one I doubt I would watch again or own. The droid annoyed me every scene it spoke in.

There's always plot holes in sci-fi movies, and I've learned to just look past them most of the time and enjoy the movie as a whole. I just hope the next one is good.

Do you mean The Last Jedi? I agree, though. Just one facepalm right after the other.
 

UsandThem

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Do you mean The Last Jedi? I agree, though. Just one facepalm right after the other.

Yeah, I meant The Last Jedi.

Posting when half asleep isn't a good idea most of the time. I blame any mistakes I made due to "Ambien Tweeting". :p
 

lupi

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STAR WARS 9 leaks claim George Lucas is closely involved with JJ Abrams on Episode IX and will help bring Luke Skywalker's character back to his original vision following The Last Jedi fan backlash.
 

snoopy7548

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STAR WARS 9 leaks claim George Lucas is closely involved with JJ Abrams on Episode IX and will help bring Luke Skywalker's character back to his original vision following The Last Jedi fan backlash.

:eek:

"OK, so pretend The Last Jedi was just a dream... and while we're at it, let's bring Jar Jar back."
 

Homerboy

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:eek:

"OK, so pretend The Last Jedi was just a dream... and while we're at it, let's bring Jar Jar back."

Yeah - I'm no Hollywood screenwriter, but it seems they would have to really stretch the imagination/force/SW world to somehow re-incorporate Luke. I don't think having him walk around as a Force Ghost for 2 hours makes sense either.
 

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Yeah - I'm no Hollywood screenwriter, but it seems they would have to really stretch the imagination/force/SW world to somehow re-incorporate Luke. I don't think having him walk around as a Force Ghost for 2 hours makes sense either.

Time to create the "Force reincarnation" ability?
 

Skel

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Turns out he was just levitating over a bed that was covered by his robes and was just really tired after projecting across the universe. He fell into the bed with the robes covering him.. and then he napped and found Han's body that was still alive and drifting in a refrigerator (Iron lined!) in space and brought him back. Disney will do another trilogy on how Han learned to hold his breath so long that it makes sense why he survived space, and also will touch on why he wore his hair like that (plot twist, it's like his Dad's!).
 

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STAR WARS 9 leaks claim George Lucas is closely involved with JJ Abrams on Episode IX and will help bring Luke Skywalker's character back to his original vision following The Last Jedi fan backlash.

I like Star Wars but I'm not incredibly invested in it. Still I would have liked to see Luke do something super OP before he left the series, just for the fun of it. I don't see how something like that could work in last movie of this trilogy. So maybe he will settle into wise old ghost man jedi like the rest. I doubt the above is true but it would be pretty funny if that was the case.

He should have split Snoke's ship or something instead of that lightspeed maneuver. That might have made more sense why he would die.
 

Sonikku

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Time to create the "Force reincarnation" ability?
It already exists and is used by Darth Vitiate, but I don't want to see the movies embrace the more outlandish Force abilities from Legends.
 

UNCjigga

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Time to create the "Force reincarnation" ability?
How do you think Anakin was conceived in the first place?
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Mind bender--what if Anakin is just Luke's soul reincarnated into the past??? Luke, I am your father??!

OK OK I'm done making fun of this...
 

lupi

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Everyone would laugh now, but if all of the sudden there is a shimmer on screen and Skywalker steps through the place would go crazy.

Could be something like you learn that he gave himself to the force to save Leia and the force allowed him to return. The animated versions have gone heavily into the religious beings that "rule" the force, could be the time they branch that into the film versions.
 

Skel

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The Darth Vader helmet is exciting news and is sure to get some hardcore Star Wars fans excited for what J.J. Abrams is currently cooking up.

Even not counting in the fallout from the last movie, does anyone really give a shit that a prop is in the movie? Not like the guy himeself would be coming back.. and if he did I shutter to think on how bad that would go.