Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[local]

Agreed. You can say 'well, it's a big galaxy' but the fact of the matter is that you're sourcing enough material to fill a planet, one roughly the size of earth if you're going by gravity. So just in terms of the amount of traffic, someone would have to notice.

But given what the death planet can do, eating a sun and shooting multiple beams through hyperspace, that's probably only rises to the level of a minor gripe.

The First Order is based out of the Unknown Regions. They are called that for a reason. No one knows what is there. No one would notice traffic, military buildups or missing stars (unless the speed of light is broken for everything not just the Starkiller weapon).

I know this was not explained in detail in the movie but it is in pretty much every description of the First Order.

Map below, hope it loads.

The are unexplored because they have not found much in the way of hyperlanes going in that direction. An with most of a galaxy to the east there is not much reason to slow hop through the western side unless you were looking to hide.

 

[SKORPI0]

Traitor!

http://imgur.com/gallery/xpIKO

It was only a matter of time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACuzzd_BZzk :biggrin: (video with music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5B3ui7Cs4s

TR-8R..

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tr8-t0r-the-stormtrooper-tray-tor

 

[Sonikku]

the first order is based out of the unknown regions. They are called that for a reason. No one knows what is there.

Revan!

 

[brianmanahan]

Revan!

darth revan?

omg i forgot about him/her

and so did he/she :awe:

 

[Kaido]

 

[Charmonium]

The First Order is based out of the Unknown Regions. They are called that for a reason. No one knows what is there. No one would notice traffic, military buildups or missing stars (unless the speed of light is broken for everything not just the Starkiller weapon).

OK, not being a fan of the series I'm not familiar with a lot of the backstory, but I've always been under the impression that Republic, then the Empire, then the new republic governed the entire galaxy. I don't remember anything from either the movies or the clone wars animation that contradicted that. But I'll take your word for the fact that this is how it's always been in the SW universe.

The other problem though is that you're talking about a very high level of technological sophistication as well as huge amount of very sophisticated equipment. That had to come from somewhere. So either you have to explain how that came from producers in the Republic or you have to posit another very advanced group of civilizations in the unknown regions - which sort of makes them less likely to be unknown.

I don't really get the whole thing about hyperplanes, but again, this is not something I've ever seen explained in either the films or the animation.

edit: to clarify the first paragraph, I know that even under the Empire there where areas that they just didn't care about, but that's different from being unknown.

 

[local]

OK, not being a fan of the series I'm not familiar with a lot of the backstory, but I've always been under the impression that Republic, then the Empire, then the new republic governed the entire galaxy. I don't remember anything from either the movies or the clone wars animation that contradicted that. But I'll take your word for the fact that this is how it's always been in the SW universe.

The other problem though is that you're talking about a very high level of technological sophistication as well as huge amount of very sophisticated equipment. That had to come from somewhere. So either you have to explain how that came from producers in the Republic or you have to posit another very advanced group of civilizations in the unknown regions - which sort of makes them less likely to be unknown.

I don't really get the whole thing about hyperplanes, but again, this is not something I've ever seen explained in either the films or the animation.

No one ever controlled the entire galaxy, even the Infinite Empire did not control everything.

As for the tech. The official cannon is after the battle of Jakku and the peace treaty was signed large elements of the remaining Imperial military disappeared into the unknown regions. So the Imperials simply brought the tech with them. It is also implied that the Empire was already out there in some form.

Hyperlanes are well charted routes that can be traveled very quickly because they have been extensively surveyed. Without them it takes advanced hyperspace calculations to make a jump which only the more powerful military or specialized type ships can perform. And even then they cannot jump very far as it would literally be a shot in the dark. Think of hyperlanes as built roads accessible to your GPS. Anything else is the equivalent of asking that same GPS to calculate a route across an untamed wilderness. There is a step in between where survey ships leave hyperbuoys that your standard ships can jump to (like markers on a trail) but it is MUCH slower than travelling down a highway.

 

[ctbaars]

You lowered my expectations.
I just got back from seeing it.
I enjoyed it very much.

 

[brianmanahan]

You lowered my expectations.
I just got back from seeing it.
I enjoyed it very much.

i did too, overall

if someone else wanted me to go with them, i'd probably be up for watching it again

 

[Childs]

OK, not being a fan of the series I'm not familiar with a lot of the backstory, but I've always been under the impression that Republic, then the Empire, then the new republic governed the entire galaxy. I don't remember anything from either the movies or the clone wars animation that contradicted that. But I'll take your word for the fact that this is how it's always been in the SW universe.

The other problem though is that you're talking about a very high level of technological sophistication as well as huge amount of very sophisticated equipment. That had to come from somewhere. So either you have to explain how that came from producers in the Republic or you have to posit another very advanced group of civilizations in the unknown regions - which sort of makes them less likely to be unknown.

I don't really get the whole thing about hyperplanes, but again, this is not something I've ever seen explained in either the films or the animation.

edit: to clarify the first paragraph, I know that even under the Empire there where areas that they just didn't care about, but that's different from being unknown.

I think its similar to when the "the sun never set on the British Empire". There are probably regions where they aren't active for one reason or another, but there is no doubt the Empire/Republic is running things. Even in the original movies there were systems controlled by the Hutts. There could be other alliances with the Republic, but its probably more about preserving what they have and not might vs might.

But I dont buy that they dont have the galaxy mapped out. Maybe more like a desert. You know the boundaries and you can cross it, but there is no reason map out every bit of it.

 

[Charmonium]

As for the tech. The official cannon is after the battle of Jakku and the peace treaty was signed large elements of the remaining Imperial military disappeared into the unknown regions. So the Imperials simply brought the tech with them. It is also implied that the Empire was already out there in some form.

OK. As explanations go, I guess that is a decent one. Still kind of a stretch from my personal point of view, but I'm not going to the mat over it.

It sounds like an ex post facto explanation, but I get the impression that this is something that was well established before The Force Awakens?

 

[local]

OK. As explanations go, I guess that is a decent one. Still kind of a stretch from my personal point of view, but I'm not going to the mat over it.

It sounds like an ex post facto explanation, but I get the impression that this is something that was well established before The Force Awakens?

Yeah pretty much. And it is stuff that had been reconfirmed by the new cannon as well. The book "Tarkin" has a pretty decent expansion of the hyperspace system and it is canon so that has not changed.

 

[Charmonium]

Yeah pretty much. And it is stuff that had been reconfirmed by the new cannon as well. The book "Tarkin" has a pretty decent expansion of the hyperspace system and it is canon so that has not changed.

I looked that up on Amazon and then looked up the author. Sweet Jesus there are a lot of Star Wars books just from that one guy. I didn't count them but it looked like 2 dozen or so.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just saw the movie! The way they left the ending hanging was nothing short of brilliant!!

 

[local]

I looked that up on Amazon and then looked up the author. Sweet Jesus there are a lot of Star Wars books just from that one guy. I didn't count them but it looked like 2 dozen or so.

Pretty much all of them are legacy now and not canon. But he us one of the better writers. I enjoyed Tarkin. My review is summed up as "Tarkin and Vader travelling the galaxy solving mysteries, awesome!"

 

[saratoga172]

I wonder how much agreements with the former stars of Star Wars had to do with the story line; what they were willing to do, and for how much money? E.g., perhaps Harrison Ford would only agree to do one more episode and wanted his character killed off so the fans weren't left hanging? Perhaps Mark Hamil was a douchebag about the whole thing, hence only a 30 second scene with no dialogue at the end?

Ford wanted to have his character killed off and was probably the only way he played any large part in this movie. Hamill didn't have a large part because as soon as they brought Luke into the movie it would be all about him. Everyone wants to see what a trained Jedi Master can do. Plus stuff with the old trilogy and whatnot.

Rumor is there were multiple versions of the script they wrote with Luke being introduced anywhere from an hour to 30 minutes left in the film but they felt he would become the focal point and take away from the new characters. This was also to help build a base for the new characters.

 

[brainhulk]

maz is a she yoda

 

[FelixDeCat]

I havent seen this movie yet. Will it be as good as Phantom Menace?

 

[KlokWyze]

maz is a she yoda

she is not Jedi though

Solid film, but I wanted the First Order and their alpha baddies to a bit more complex. I wanted to walk away rooting for Kylo Ren, but he's way too emo and dislikable for me. Even bigger Death Star version 3 was just a bad idea. Just a way to obvious and lazy. Also.... so they killed like 400 billion!?!? That all just happened so abruptly. They are like ISIS with space nukes and shit. Was weird.

Han Solo was great in it. Some cheezines with the bow-gun, but I'll let it slide. RIP bro.

Ray and Fin were the best parts of this TBH. Action scenes were great. I wanted to see Pough more. Good shit.

 

[paperfist]

One thing I noticed for sure is the first (and maybe more) times they showed Snoke, they were playing the same male choir piece that played at the show in Episode 3 when Palpatine was telling Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis (who, if you remember, could "cheat death").

So Snoke is for sure probably Darth Plagueis.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3702214

Not a Sith though?

 

[IAteYourMother]

What a horrible movie. Was this story just compiled from random fanfiction? Did we really need a 3rd death star plot?

 

[paperfist]

Wonder if they're going to release a 3 hour extended version once it goes to Blu-ray like Peter Jackson did with LOTR and the Hobbit.

JJ said there's like 10 deleted scenes of about 20 mins.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rceH4zVysNo

 

[Udgnim]

Episode 9

Kylo Ren's body gets taken over

possessed Kylo Ren starts fighting Rey

possessed Ren getting close to beating Rey and then original Kylo Ren manages to take over for a brief moment and Rey kills him



rewatched the first 25-30 minutes of Phantom Menace.

George Lucas directed with the mindset to entertain children instead of a more mature audience.

 

[Linux23]

So the Senate is completely wiped out right?

 

[jlee]

I'm quite curious how the next movie is going to start - how awkward the conversation between Rey and Luke will go...

"What took me years of dedicated training to master the force, you've accomplished in mere seconds... yea, I'm sorry you made this journey all the way to find me, I really have nothing to offer you in additional jedi training..."

He pulls his lightsaber out of a snowbank in the beginning of Empire, which was before too much training. It's also possible that Rey is a lot stronger than Luke (look at Anakin's flying in Ep1).