Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[brianmanahan]

Tarzan Boy LOL

i have been listening to tarzan boy all freaking morning because of that site.......

 

[futurefields]

One thing I noticed for sure is the first (and maybe more) times they showed Snoke, they were playing the same male choir piece that played at the show in Episode 3 when Palpatine was telling Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis (who, if you remember, could "cheat death").

So Snoke is for sure probably Darth Plagueis.

 

[shabby]

One thing I noticed for sure is the first (and maybe more) times they showed Snoke, they were playing the same male choir piece that played at the show in Episode 3 when Palpatine was telling Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis (who, if you remember, could "cheat death").

So Snoke is for sure probably Darth Plagueis.

Could of swore jar jar binks was darth plagueis... according to the last theory on reddit.

 

[dainthomas]

I think some more scenes like this shows how immature Ren is through actions vs showing his stupid emo face.

Emo Kylo Ren is the best thing on Twitter right now.

The last one he was whining about how Uncle Lando was making fun of his mask.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Heh, when Ren took off his mask a little 5 year old girl next to me screamed "HIS FACE IS HORRRRIBLE D:"
It was hilarious, most of the theater laughed.

 

[skipsneeky2]

That. is. AMAZING!

Yup:thumbsup:

 

[Ban Bot]

When people ask me what I thought of the movie, I'm going to tell them that I was sad when the Wookie died

I liked the movie a lot. TL;DR the only major change I would have liked was Han living and Leia being killed by her son.

While I understand why Han had to die I think killing of Leia would have been better. First reason is obvious: it was painful seeing Fisher on screen whereas Ford carried his role well.

Second, is as a plot vehicle Ren killing Solo works but Ren killing a woman, his mother no less, would be a traumatic and dramatic turn to the dark side. Such a turn would have focused Han (become the general of the Rebels he was destined to be?) and Luke would obviously feel such a disturbance in the Force and "Awaken" him. Kylo Ren would be on a path deeper into the Darkside than those before him. Yes, the previous Sith Lords killed/wanted to kill their masters, killed Jedi's, and killed innocent people. Kylo Ren was situation in Ep. VII to:

Exile his master (Luke)
Kill a school of young Jedi
Murder his own mother

The Dark Side would have been complete in him. All that would be left, after being wounded like his grandfather, would be to embrace Darth Vader and become Darth Vader II--stronger than ever and beyond being turned by the love of his uncle (Luke) as he had embraced the deepest of treachery: betraying his father by killing his own mother only to draw strength from seeing his own father (Han Solo) grow in pain, hate, anger, and disdain for his own son. Oh, and Ben Solo would have been of Skywalker blood which means the force would naturally be extremely strong in him.

The Leia killing Ben Solo would have created a much more sinister, and powerful, Sith Lord. And whereas seeing Kylo Ren try to barter with his estranged father (who wasn't always a great father) it would have been beyond powerful to see Leia, a force sensitive figure, believe she has returned her son to the Light Side of the Force only for him to at the most inopportune moment run her through face-to-face. I can only imagine Kyle Ren, verbalizing his deep and sincere love for his mother and yet coldly explaining her death was to complete the circle and to bring Han and Luke down to their end and that Kylo could rightfully take up the place of his grandfather Darth Vader as Lord of the Sith.

I shutter at the thought of the Luke/Leia re-union. Leia's death would have painted the most bleak of futures; Han's paints a possible path to the Emo Side of the Force.

Third, is a big part of the original trilogy was Luke and Han being pulled together and being complete opposites. (Yes, Han/Leia also had a big part in the chemistry but that is all but gone.) With the turn of Ben Solo to Kylo Ren with the mother, Leia, out of the way you could see the natural need for Luke and Han to team up yet again but with the obvious tension: Han/Leia could not handle Ben, but under Luke's supervision he completed his fall to the dark side. And neither could protect Leia and would blame the other for her death.

Forth, while I didn't have an issue with Rey's force abilities I think it would have been more dramatic for Leia's death drawing Luke out of his depressed, isolated exile by the sheer pain he would feel in the Force. Seeing some snippets earlier in the movie of Luke (e.g. putting a memory block on Rey as the last of his apprentices and the lone survivor of his academy; a bitter dispute with Han/Leia regarding Ben Solo and Luke imposing a self imposed exile due to the dangers of the Force and Skywalker clan) and finally a "Force Vision" where Leia with Obi-wan and Yoda at her side, calling out to him saying, "Luke, you must return. You are the last of the Jedi. Without you there is no hope."--and after the vision disappears being transported to the "Jedi heaven" where Yoda tells Leia, "Another Jedi, there is" only for Obi-wan to interrupt, "Master, do not underestimate the power of the Force in Luke. He must return balance to the Force. Until Luke completes his path as Jedi Teacher his apprentice will fail."

This would have setup a lot entry by Luke to save Finn and Rey and for it to be Luke who inflicts the mortal injuries that will turn Kylo Ren into Darth Vader II. This would have completed the circle. Having Luke regret sparing Ben Solo after he killed his apprentices would have been a deep wound, and then his sister would have brought much anger from Luke. (And maybe even be the motivation of Emperor Snook--to turn Luke.)

It could also create the tiers of Jedi powers: We see Ren destroy Finn, Rey give a good fight only to be bested by a near-Sith Lord apprentice, and then for Luke to enter as pure Jedi being reminded of his progression in Ep. IV-V-VI in how in V with minimal training he showed promised by Vader destroyed him but in VI he was able to destroy Vader. Seeing Luke "go easy on Ren" while he tries to reason with him to have 1 last chance to turn from his path and when all is lost and Ren makes his move (whatever plot device--e.g. he lies and says he killed Rey, "I didn't make the same mistake I did last time when I spared Rey... your daughter.") Luke says "screw it" and breaks out the full wrath of his force powers that we have never seen before. Watching Ken be injured in ways to turn him into Vader and for the battle to end when Rey appears on scene to temper Luke's anger and her pleas for him to leave the planet before it explodes and Luke leaving Kylo Ren to die just as Obi-wan left Annikan.

That sounds like a lot, but basically 5 minutes of Luke screen time (most at the end) and then swapping out Leia for Han for future movies.

Again, I really like the movie and I understand the new direction/new actors. But I would have preferred the above fall out from Luke/Han than with Leia.

 

[Phokus]

Heh, when Ren took off his mask a little 5 year old girl next to me screamed "HIS FACE IS HORRRRIBLE D:"
It was hilarious, most of the theater laughed.

I imagine she'd explode if she saw darth vadar without his mask on.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

I liked the movie a lot. TL;DR

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[SKORPI0]

Heh, when Ren took off his mask a little 5 year old girl next to me screamed "HIS FACE IS HORRRRIBLE D:"
It was hilarious, most of the theater laughed.

There is a good reason he is wearing a mask.... :biggrin:

 

[Fingolfin269]

In my opinion Disney Star Wars is not canon. George Lucas is not even involved with these. This is just more Expanded Universe stuff and not even as well thought out as Timothy Zahn and Drew Karpyshyn's contributions. I don't care what Disney says about it, they are a joke of a company.

Then what's the point of providing them money by watching the new films?

 

[CZroe]

One thing I noticed for sure is the first (and maybe more) times they showed Snoke, they were playing the same male choir piece that played at the show in Episode 3 when Palpatine was telling Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis (who, if you remember, could "cheat death").

So Snoke is for sure probably Darth Plagueis.

"For sure probably" is probably for sure an oxymoron.

 

[Ban Bot]

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I wasn't trying to be funny. I was summarizing my opinion about a movie/franchise I like and how some minor plot adjustments could be better.

I liked the Han Solo plot device. It explains why Luke did not kill this rogue apprentice. It explains why Solo and Leia are separated. It explains why Ben Solo has Jedi powers. It explains his obsession with Vader. It explains why Luke is in exile.

My contribution was that I think killing Leia off aids in the actor category (Ford > Fisher) and it creates a darker villain while also putting Solo and Skywalker further at odds yet compelled to work together.

We have seen the power of the Dark Side compel sons/padawans turn against their fathers/masters. What we haven't seen is a son/padawan kill their own mother just to see their father suffer. Now THAT IS DARK. That is a darker path than Vader and with the Skywalker blood such a menace would be worthy of the Vader mask.

I could be wrong. Just my take. Right now I see the protagonists united. Han has been lost but Luke is reconciled. Removing the bond between Han and Luke (Leia) and amplifying the focus of discord (Ben/Kylo Ren) would have split the protagonists while presenting the opponent as a menacing foe that continues to grow in power and influence.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[CZroe]

I wasn't trying to be funny. I was summarizing my opinion about a movie/franchise I like and how some minor plot adjustments could be better.

I liked the Han Solo plot device. It explains why Luke did not kill this rogue apprentice. It explains why Solo and Leia are separated. It explains why Ben Solo has Jedi powers. It explains his obsession with Vader. It explains why Luke is in exile.

My contribution was that I think killing Leia off aids in the actor category (Ford > Fisher) and it creates a darker villain while also putting Solo and Skywalker further at odds yet compelled to work together.

We have seen the power of the Dark Side compel sons/padawans turn against their fathers/masters. What we haven't seen is a son/padawan kill their own mother just to see their father suffer. Now THAT IS DARK. That is a darker path than Vader and with the Skywalker blood such a menace would be worthy of the Vader mask.

I could be wrong. Just my take. Right now I see the protagonists united. Han has been lost but Luke is reconciled. Removing the bond between Han and Luke (Leia) and amplifying the focus of discord (Ben/Kylo Ren) would have split the protagonists while presenting the opponent as a menacing foe that continues to grow in power and influence.

Just my 2 cents.

I liked some of your ideas and agree that Kylo should've killed mommy, but I gave up less than a third of the way through.

 

[futurefields]

For sure sounds probably like ADHD.

 

[SKORPI0]

Just finished reading the novelization/ebook and the movie seems to be missing 2 scenes.

1. Poe Dameron being rescued in the planet Jakku after they crashed (Finn already left). Stolen Tie Fighter already sunk in the sand.
2. Rey being accosted by Unkar Plutt (Jakku junk dealer) in Takodanna for stealing the Millenium Falcon.

 

[Bacstar]

Wonder if they're going to release a 3 hour extended version once it goes to Blu-ray like Peter Jackson did with LOTR and the Hobbit.

 

[Charmonium]

Wonder if they're going to release a 3 hour extended version once it goes to Blu-ray like Peter Jackson did with LOTR and the Hobbit.

That would be a great idea. I'm sure there's a ton stuff they cut.

 

[DrPizza]

I wonder how much agreements with the former stars of Star Wars had to do with the story line; what they were willing to do, and for how much money? E.g., perhaps Harrison Ford would only agree to do one more episode and wanted his character killed off so the fans weren't left hanging? Perhaps Mark Hamil was a douchebag about the whole thing, hence only a 30 second scene with no dialogue at the end?

 

[MonKENy]

Ford def insisted to be killed off, he wanted to be killed in the first trilogy. Hamill is a cool dude so I doubt he played the ass like that. I'm pretty sure it was scripted that way but who knows.

 

[cubby1223]

I'm quite curious how the next movie is going to start - how awkward the conversation between Rey and Luke will go...

"What took me years of dedicated training to master the force, you've accomplished in mere seconds... yea, I'm sorry you made this journey all the way to find me, I really have nothing to offer you in additional jedi training..."

 

[brianmanahan]

what i want to know is this:

why the heck did nobody notice starkiller being created? wouldn't death star and death star II made them somewhat vigilant about looking for such things?

 

[cubby1223]

what i want to know is this:

why the heck did nobody notice starkiller being created? wouldn't death star and death star II made them somewhat vigilant about looking for such things?

And considering it's powered by destroying a star, the fact that it was never noticed means no stars vanished from the sky, means it was never once tested prior to working flawlessly destroying several planets many lightyears away! Those are some top-notch engineers to create a brand new product handling such immense power and such infinite precision, and not have a single design flaw or calculation needing to be tweaked.

This is not a movie to be analyzed. It was a movie created safely enough to guarantee large merchandising revenues.

 

[Charmonium]

what i want to know is this:

why the heck did nobody notice starkiller being created? wouldn't death star and death star II made them somewhat vigilant about looking for such things?

Agreed. You can say 'well, it's a big galaxy' but the fact of the matter is that you're sourcing enough material to fill a planet, one roughly the size of earth if you're going by gravity. So just in terms of the amount of traffic, someone would have to notice.

But given what the death planet can do, eating a sun and shooting multiple beams through hyperspace, that's probably only rises to the level of a minor gripe.

 

[Kaido]

Traitor!

http://imgur.com/gallery/xpIKO

It was only a matter of time