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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Isn't the burden of proof on the state to prove that you, and not your car, was speeding? If you are blurry in the picture, or some doubt can be made that the picture is of you, then they should have to dismiss the ticket. This is assuming you have a resonable judge of course. You could also issue a motion for discovery for a (probably nonexistant) traffic engineering survery and try to use that to get out the ticket.
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Thats what I thought too... but then aren't they going to ask me "who was driving the car?"

-Max
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Take the fifth. Or "I don't recall"
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Where do you live?
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Isn't the burden of proof on the state to prove that you, and not your car, was speeding? If you are blurry in the picture, or some doubt can be made that the picture is of you, then they should have to dismiss the ticket. This is assuming you have a resonable judge of course. You could also issue a motion for discovery for a (probably nonexistant) traffic engineering survery and try to use that to get out the ticket.
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Thats what I thought too... but then aren't they going to ask me "who was driving the car?"

-Max
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Take the fifth. Or "I don't recall"
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Where do you live?
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Colorado. All my camera tickets were in Boulder.

By law you are innocent until proven guilty. You go to court, you say not guilty, all they have are plates on a car. A car can't be guilty of speeding, a person must be.

They cannot force you to identify the guilty party. Your fifth ammendment right states that you have the right to remain silent.

"I don't know, I"m a college student, people, sober drivers, etc, take my car out to get food all the time. It could have been anyone. I don't remember exactly who had my car that night as people borrow my car all the time."

 
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Isn't the burden of proof on the state to prove that you, and not your car, was speeding? If you are blurry in the picture, or some doubt can be made that the picture is of you, then they should have to dismiss the ticket. This is assuming you have a resonable judge of course. You could also issue a motion for discovery for a (probably nonexistant) traffic engineering survery and try to use that to get out the ticket.
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Thats what I thought too... but then aren't they going to ask me "who was driving the car?"

-Max
Click to expand...

Take the fifth. Or "I don't recall"
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Where do you live?
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Colorado. All my camera tickets were in Boulder.

By law you are innocent until proven guilty. You go to court, you say not guilty, all they have are plates on a car. A car can't be guilty of speeding, a person must be.

They cannot force you to identify the guilty party. Your fifth ammendment right states that you have the right to remain silent.

"I don't know, I"m a college student, people, sober drivers, etc, take my car out to get food all the time. It could have been anyone. I don't remember exactly who had my car that night as people borrow my car all the time."
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The 5th amendment protects you from incriminating yourself. That doesn't mean you won't be held in contempt for not incriminating someone else.
 
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Isn't the burden of proof on the state to prove that you, and not your car, was speeding? If you are blurry in the picture, or some doubt can be made that the picture is of you, then they should have to dismiss the ticket. This is assuming you have a resonable judge of course. You could also issue a motion for discovery for a (probably nonexistant) traffic engineering survery and try to use that to get out the ticket.
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Thats what I thought too... but then aren't they going to ask me "who was driving the car?"

-Max
Click to expand...

Take the fifth. Or "I don't recall"
Click to expand...



Where do you live?
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Colorado. All my camera tickets were in Boulder.

By law you are innocent until proven guilty. You go to court, you say not guilty, all they have are plates on a car. A car can't be guilty of speeding, a person must be.

They cannot force you to identify the guilty party. Your fifth ammendment right states that you have the right to remain silent.

"I don't know, I"m a college student, people, sober drivers, etc, take my car out to get food all the time. It could have been anyone. I don't remember exactly who had my car that night as people borrow my car all the time."
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The 5th amendment protects you from incriminating yourself. That doesn't mean you won't be held in contempt for not incriminating someone else.
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Yeah based on that washington times article... I think I'm screwed...

Question now is... how does this affect my driving record?

-Max
 
It is a civil fine; unlike a "regular" speeding ticket it is not a misdemeanor/felony, there are no criminal penalties, you will not have points assessed. Think of it like a parking ticket.

Pay it and be done with it - there is another famous one on MacArthur Bvld by the resevoir and another on Wisconsin just before the Chevy Chase Club. Whatever you do, think long and hard before contesting it by purjuring yourself falsly affirming it wasn't you.
 
Originally posted by: teddyv
It is a civil fine; unlike a "regular" speeding ticket it is not a misdemeanor/felony, there are no criminal penalties, you will not have points assessed. Think of it like a parking ticket.

Pay it and be done with it - there is another famous one on MacArthur Bvld by the resevoir and another on Wisconsin just before the Chevy Chase Club. Whatever you do, think long and hard before contesting it by purjuring yourself falsly affirming it wasn't you.
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This is all I really needed to hear... I'll go ahead and add my funds to the district coffers then... Just so long as it doesnt screw me in anything beyond the 100 bucks...

 
Here, relavent portion:

Speeding Fines - Following are the fines for speeding in DC, based on the number of miles per hour over the posted speed limit. (Note that automated photo radar tickets do not carry points.) Balance the potential fine for speeding against a few minutes that may be saved?and then don't speed.
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I do find it pretty amusing, given the smug righteousness on that site, that about 300 yards from that I-295 speed car is a notorious open drug market that has been in operation pretty much non-stop since the mid-80's (does the name "Rayful Edmond" ring a bell?)
 
See I don't think they really give a damn about crime in DC, so long as it doesnt interfere with revenue.
 
Heh - you need look no further than the red-light camera on the H street bridge at North Capitol for ample evidence of that.
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Isn't the burden of proof on the state to prove that you, and not your car, was speeding? If you are blurry in the picture, or some doubt can be made that the picture is of you, then they should have to dismiss the ticket. This is assuming you have a resonable judge of course.
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Thats what I thought too... but then aren't they going to ask me "who was driving the car?"
-Max
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You don't have to take the stand and answer such a question. You would ask the prosecution witness, "Can you identify the driver in that speeding car?"

 
Originally posted by: ddviper
Originally posted by: aswedc
Originally posted by: ddviper
dude just photoshop a picture with you and your buds and a party of some sort. Have a picture that has time and date and show your in the picture, therefore proving you werent in the car.

Computer skills FTW
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I see you have no ethics whatsoever.
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Why dont you stop judging people without knowing them at all.

Come live my life and we'll see what kind of ethics you have.
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He made a judgement based on what you said, a perfectly reasonable judgement. If you don't like it, don't open your mouth - because people will judge you bsaed on what you say.

Your life has nothing to do with it, but have fun at your pity party. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: mrchan
It's only $100 and no points, doesn't seem worth the time and effort to fight it. You sped, you got caught, the fine is relatively light. I'd just pay it.
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ok well next question... does it show up on my driving record, and thereby effect my insurance?
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Pretty sure no, because they can't prove who was driving so they just send the ticket to the registered owner of the car.

You could call the court and find out.
 
I'd just pay the $100. Gamble and sometimes you lose. I got ticketed for expired registration, but it was expired for long enough that I actually still came out ahead monetarily.
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Isn't the burden of proof on the state to prove that you, and not your car, was speeding? If you are blurry in the picture, or some doubt can be made that the picture is of you, then they should have to dismiss the ticket. This is assuming you have a resonable judge of course. You could also issue a motion for discovery for a (probably nonexistant) traffic engineering survery and try to use that to get out the ticket.
Click to expand...

Thats what I thought too... but then aren't they going to ask me "who was driving the car?"

-Max
Click to expand...

Take the fifth. Or "I don't recall"
Click to expand...



Where do you live?
Click to expand...

Colorado. All my camera tickets were in Boulder.

By law you are innocent until proven guilty. You go to court, you say not guilty, all they have are plates on a car. A car can't be guilty of speeding, a person must be.

They cannot force you to identify the guilty party. Your fifth ammendment right states that you have the right to remain silent.

"I don't know, I"m a college student, people, sober drivers, etc, take my car out to get food all the time. It could have been anyone. I don't remember exactly who had my car that night as people borrow my car all the time."
Click to expand...
The 5th amendment protects you from incriminating yourself. That doesn't mean you won't be held in contempt for not incriminating someone else.
Click to expand...

Yeah based on that washington times article... I think I'm screwed...

Question now is... how does this affect my driving record?

-Max
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Not really. Are you married? If so that will help. You just say that under the doctor, lawyer, or spouse privilege saying there name would be against the law and even saying what privilege you are invoking would also be against your protection of privilege.


Chances are you will lose but at leats fight it as you never know.

Also got to Home depot or lowes and get some clear reflective paint. Now paint some of your plate. Several THIN coats work best, don;t get it to thick.
 
Originally posted by: ddviper
Originally posted by: aswedc
Originally posted by: ddviper
dude just photoshop a picture with you and your buds and a party of some sort. Have a picture that has time and date and show your in the picture, therefore proving you werent in the car.

Computer skills FTW
Click to expand...
I see you have no ethics whatsoever.
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Why dont you stop judging people without knowing them at all.

Come live my life and we'll see what kind of ethics you have.
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I see you have no ethics whatsoever. been there your life sucks so much you have reasons for having no ethics!
 
I think that here in Finland the person that owns the car is responsible for paying the fine. Then its his business to find out who was driving and getting the money from him...
 
Since cameras are basically the only method of issueing speeding tickets here I have experience 🙂
Hwoever I guess laws in Germany are different than in the US - without the driver, the picture is basically wothless. You could claim not to be knowing who was driving. Last year I took a ticket for my dad because he already has to mayn points which could have led to loosing his license and being forced to reschooling. So I claimed it was me and took the points.... (points are erased after two years without any points)
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
$100 for 18 over in a residential area (I assume) is getting off easy.
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Hell yes even for our low fines that is getting of easy, that is alsmost 30km/h with 30 over in a residential you loss your license, around $150 and gain 2 points ...
 
The way this was explained to me,
when I went to Defensive Driving class a few months ago;

The ticket goes to the vehicle owner.

The owner is responsible, for Anyone using the vehicle.

Pay the fine. Slow down a little.

Oh, this system is coming to New York state too. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
I got one... it's a night shot... 63 in a 45... 100$ Is it fightable?... they don't have a picture of me... just the car.

-Max
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They dont need your pic, just the license plate and they dont care who is driving. It goes to the registered owner and you have to pay otherwise it will be tacked onto your insurance and you will have to pay it then if it doesnt make it to collections 1st.
 
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
The way this was explained to me,
when I went to Defensive Driving class a few months ago;

The ticket goes to the vehicle owner.

The owner is responsible, for Anyone using the vehicle.

Pay the fine. Slow down a little.

Oh, this system is coming to New York state too. 🙁
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Thats is true everywhere in the US!!!
You really cannot beat a ticket that catches you speeding with a camera!!
 
A $100 fine can easily jump to $250 or more by ignoring it and finding out that your plates can not be renewed until the fine is paid w/ penalties.

As others stated, tThe owner of the vehicle is responsible for the operation of such.

Only out would be if you reported the vehicle or plates stolen prior to the incident.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
A $100 fine can easily jump to $250 or more by ignoring it and finding out that your plates can not be renewed until the fine is paid w/ penalties.
As others stated, tThe owner of the vehicle is responsible for the operation of such.

Only out would be if you reported the vehicle or plates stolen prior to the incident.
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:Q
 
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