Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

[Vattila]

Except for the details about the improvements in the microarchitecture, we now know pretty well what to expect with Zen 3.

The leaked presentation by AMD Senior Manager Martin Hilgeman shows that EPYC 3 "Milan" will, as promised and expected, reuse the current platform (SP3), and the system architecture and packaging looks to be the same, with the same 9-die chiplet design and the same maximum core and thread-count (no SMT-4, contrary to rumour). The biggest change revealed so far is the enlargement of the compute complex from 4 cores to 8 cores, all sharing a larger L3 cache ("32+ MB", likely to double to 64 MB, I think).

Hilgeman's slides did also show that EPYC 4 "Genoa" is in the definition phase (or was at the time of the presentation in September, at least), and will come with a new platform (SP5), with new memory support (likely DDR5).

What else do you think we will see with Zen 4? PCI-Express 5 support? Increased core-count? 4-way SMT? New packaging (interposer, 2.5D, 3D)? Integrated memory on package (HBM)?

Vote in the poll and share your thoughts!

 

[nicalandia]

Anandtech Performance is out for The Ryzen 7000, but the review is not out yet, but the numbers are already in the bench suit.

Here the comparison of the 7950X vs 5950X

CPU 2021 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech

CPU 2021 benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations.

www.anandtech.com

 

[moinmoin]

Raphael and Dragon Ridge will in most cases be paired with dGPU, so the missing AV1 won't be a problem. If even Phoenix was missing It, then that wouldn't be good.

I kinda doubt Phoenix will introduce AV1 encoding (unless Xilinx contributes a successor to VCN already). AV1 decoding is in all of them.

 

[tamz_msc]

Anandtech Performance is out for The Ryzen 7000, but the review is not out yet, but the numbers are already in the bench suit.

Here the comparison of the 7950X vs 5950X

CPU 2021 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech

CPU 2021 benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations.

www.anandtech.com

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As usual AT with their useless GPU-bound gaming benchmarks.

 

[nicalandia]

Anandtech Review.

7950X vs 12900KS

CPU 2021 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech

CPU 2021 benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations.

www.anandtech.com

 

[Abwx]

Computerbase review in two articles, first is for design caracteristics and applications perf :

AMD Ryzen 7000 im Test: So schnell sind 7950X und 7700X

AMD Ryzen 7000 ist da. Im ausführlichen Test treten Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7 7700X mit Zen-4-Kernen gegen Ryzen 5000 und Intel Core an.

www.computerbase.de

And for the gamers :

Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7700X im Spiele-Benchmark

Wie schnell ist Zen 4 in Spielen? Das klärt der Test mit Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7 7700X, die gegen 12900KS und 5950X antreten.

www.computerbase.de

 

[nicalandia]

Anandtech Review

7950X vs 5800X3D

CPU 2021 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech

CPU 2021 benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations.

www.anandtech.com

Impressive gaming performance by the 7950X, beating the 5800X3D

 

[uzzi38]

Zen4 AVX512 Teardown - mersenneforum.org

Title of this one is self-explanatory, but this is information that people wanted to know.

 

[maddogmcgee]

Ian discussing everything live

 

[nicalandia]

Techpowerup Review is Up

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X review

The year is 2022, and the Ryzen iteration ZEN4 has arrived. in this review, we test and benchmark the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X. Loaded with 16 CPU cores on that updated processor architecture and an entirel... Performance - IPC

www.guru3d.com

IPC on Cinebench R15 are basically a match between Zen3, Alder Lake and Zen4.



Time to move to a different app to test IPC for them

 

[eek2121]

The full AnandTech review: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1758...nd-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end

They need a faster GPU.

EDIT: Gamers Nexus:

 

[RnR_au]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-5-7600x-cpu-review

 

[jpiniero]

And for the gamers :

Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7700X im Spiele-Benchmark

Wie schnell ist Zen 4 in Spielen? Das klärt der Test mit Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7 7700X, die gegen 12900KS und 5950X antreten.

www.computerbase.de

Seems kind of eh for Zen 4 except for the crazy high frame rate games.

 

[nicalandia]

First 38,000 Point desktop CPU

Look at ECO Mode performance.



Final Words: Zen 4 is now King, Long Live the King

 

[utahraptor]

The Anandtech review mentioned the IGPU could "possibly be used in light gaming." Has anyone found a review showing any benchmarks in that type of scenario. I am wondering if light gaming means solitaire or some kind of actual game. It says it even has ray tracing. Like could it run Battlefield 5 at resolution 320x240 and ray trace or is it just on paper and not actually usable?

 

[inf64]

Gaming looks to be roughly a tie between Zen 4, fastest Alder Lake 12900KS and 5800X3d. Bodes very nicely for Zen 4 with Vcache. IPC in the apps is ~12% as per Computerbase review, which is more or less what AMD supplied (~13%).

I missed the gaming performance (I expected that). ST and MT gains are more or less as expected - Computerbase changed the app selection in their review so it's not really 1:1 comparison. Overall, impressive performance (the Eco mode results are crazy good) and I'm looking forward to Vcache models.

 

[uzzi38]

The Anandtech review mentioned the IGPU could "possibly be used in light gaming." Has anyone found a review showing any benchmarks in that type of scenario. I am wondering if light gaming means solitaire or some kind of actual game. It says it even has ray tracing. Like could it run Battlefield 5 at resolution 320x240 and ray trace or is it just on paper and not actually usable?

Well it can almost do CS;GO at 1080p low.

Almost.

 

[Bigos]

Can anyone even read the AnandTech review? There are so many typos it looks like a SPAM mail...

Looks better now.

This has been byhrough superior power efficiency, as Zencally a Zen 3 refinement, but on the new TSMC 5 nm process node (from TSMC 7 nm). This efficiency has allowed AMD to increase the overall TDP to 170 W from the previous 105 W but without too much penalty.

 

[krumme]

Computerbase review in two articles, first is for design caracteristics and applications perf :

AMD Ryzen 7000 im Test: So schnell sind 7950X und 7700X

AMD Ryzen 7000 ist da. Im ausführlichen Test treten Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7 7700X mit Zen-4-Kernen gegen Ryzen 5000 und Intel Core an.

www.computerbase.de

And for the gamers :

Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7700X im Spiele-Benchmark

Wie schnell ist Zen 4 in Spielen? Das klärt der Test mit Ryzen 9 7950X und Ryzen 7 7700X, die gegen 12900KS und 5950X antreten.

www.computerbase.de

Grab them while you can. The servermarket is going to take all with that efficiency, unless they can wait for zen5.

 

[eek2121]

Power efficiency in Blender. Looks like a regression vs Zen 3, but still more efficient than Intel chips overall.

 

[Hitman928]

Hardware Unboxed 7600x review is up

Pretty much focused on game performance. Keep in mind they used DDR5-6000 RAM in their broad comparison but then later in the review showed improvements by using DDR5-6400 RAM.

 

[In2Photos]

Reviews seem to be noting that the 7950x runs at 95C (no throttling) even with 360mm AIOs and that this is intended by AMD.

 

[RnR_au]

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X / Ryzen 9 7950X Benchmarks Show Impressive Zen 4 Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Tidy uplift!

 

[nicalandia]

In MS Flight Simulator the 5800X3D Remains King... We will have to wait until 7800X3D to dethrone this beast.

 

[tamz_msc]

Highest power draw in Blender of any CPU for the 7950X - double that of the 5950X for a mere 36% reduction in render time.

 

[eek2121]

Seems kind of eh for Zen 4 except for the crazy high frame rate games.

Gaming looks to be roughly a tie between Zen 4, fastest Alder Lake 12900KS and 5800X3d. Bodes very nicely for Zen 4 with Vcache. IPC in the apps is ~12% as per Computerbase review, which is more or less what AMD supplied (~13%).

I missed the gaming performance (I expected that). ST and MT gains are more or less as expected - Computerbase changed the app selection in their review so it's not really 1:1 comparison. Overall, impressive performance (the Eco mode results are crazy good) and I'm looking forward to Vcache models.

Steve from GN tested with a 3090ti FTW3 and ended up still being GPU bottlenecked even at 1080 medium settings in most games.

I suspect that, from a gaming perspective, we will need faster GPUs to see how much of a performance uplift the new CPUs have.