The what? What 1090ti?An NZXT 280mm AIO. The machine runs silent except when gaming, where the GPU (1090ti) makes a ton of noise.
The what? What 1090ti?An NZXT 280mm AIO. The machine runs silent except when gaming, where the GPU (1090ti) makes a ton of noise.
That's assuming there is a bug to fix. N6 makes some sense, I suppose. Technically, they could offer some of the non-controversial tech on it. USB4, for example.It would be dumb, but they also did the XT refresh which was an absolute joke.
Realistically, an N6 Zen 3 shrink and bugfix a la Zen+ would be the best option.
That's assuming there is a bug to fix. N6 makes some sense, I suppose. Technically, they could offer some of the non-controversial tech on it. USB4, for example.
Yes, but that's beside the point. Most bugs are a non-issue. Major bugs are.There are always bugs to fix. Ever look at an errata sheet? That's just the hardware bugs you decide to live with.
I think a zen3 ddr5 release would be all about getting the platfrom in place and ready for the real launch. Hopefully it would just be mid cycle with zen4 with the same i/o die/chipset coming out at the standard year + a bit interval from initial zen3 release.
Mozart or whatever his name on Twitter is seems to think that RKL will be out with a 5.5 SCC, and that Alderlake will follow with some refined designs.
@DrMrLordX I wonder if AMD will try anything funky like PGA to PGA adapters from the old Socket 5 and 7 eras.
It's a typical "the competition makes minor upgrades and the market still eats it up, so let's do that as well" move. It's only a joke in context of AMD's own products within the last 3 years, which is quite telling actually.No, it's a joke. You're talking maybe 100 MHz of uplift, which is basically negligible.
12 vs. 15 months cadence. If Zen 3 does launch in October they missed 15 months by just one month which could be attributed to the pandemic.AMD missed on their roadmap.
That's assuming there is a bug to fix. N6 makes some sense, I suppose. Technically, they could offer some of the non-controversial tech on it. USB4, for example.
I don't recall AMD ever stating they were on a strict 12 month cadence.
I could be wrong, but I don't recall AMD saying anything other than 'by the end of 2020'. Don't know what their internal timeline was - have they revealed that?N6 doesn't make anysense. Unless the new 7nm they are using is EUV, they are not design compatible. Given Zen 4 will be out in a year or so, why bother? AMD is also using a customized 5nm from TSMC.
Yes, I think they were targeting 12-15 months.
There is no indication of N7+ at AMD at all. However, there were plenty of N6 references...N6 doesn't make anysense. Unless the new 7nm they are using is EUV, they are not design compatible.
Man, stop doing this. Zen3 didn't have all this development time put into it to change 'a couple of blocks'.Zen3 except for a couple blocks is basically the same die as Matisse.
First Zen3 was canned sometime before 2H18. (Team A pushed first to Zen5)Man, stop doing this. Zen3 didn't have all this development time put into it to change 'a couple of blocks'.
12 vs. 15 months cadence. If Zen 3 does launch in October they missed 15 months by just one month which could be attributed to the pandemic.
I don't recall AMD ever stating they were on a strict 12 month cadence.
And Intel has max 8 core on their upcoming CPU design? I think I read that somewhere here. That means that Zen3 will face off against the 10xxx series for the next 2 years? Sounds boring from both camps with regards to innovation.... :/
Ahem
New AMD Ryzen and EPYC Roadmaps, Zen 4 and 5nm Genoa by 2022, Zen 3 and Milan in 2020
AMD drops the hammerwww.tomshardware.com
Zen4 in 2022 is a miss, plain and simple. It's time to stop making excuses for AMD while bashing Intel for their roadmap mishaps. They set a goal, and they missed it.
I believe you are misinterpreting those slides. According to your interpretation, in March 2020, AMD was promising they'd go back in time and release the first Zen 3 product in 2019.
Nope. Quoting Mark Papermaster:Zen4 in 2022 is a miss, plain and simple. It's time to stop making excuses for AMD while bashing Intel for their roadmap mishaps. They set a goal, and they missed it.
Dr. Ian Cutress: So far AMD’s rate of new products is on track to produce a new core almost every year. The roadmaps quite proudly showcase Zen 3 as almost ready, Zen 4 in development, and Zen 5 further out. Is this cadence sustainable?
Mark Papermaster: We’re on a 12-18 month cadence, and we believe that is sustainable. It’s what the industry demands from us.
@Karnak
Papermaster was fudging. What he said basically contradicted their own roadmap. I'm not the only one that was expecting Zen4 by the end of 2021:
AMD essentially confirms 5 nm Zen 4 CPUs and "advanced node" RDNA 3 GPUs will launch by 2021 in latest corporate presentation
The updated slides show that among the lineups to receive a performance boost are the Zen 4 EPYC "Genoa" server-grade CPUs, the CDNA 2 compute GPUs and the RDNA 3 gaming GPUs. Curiously enough, AMD did not update the desktop CPU roadmap past the Zen 3 Vermeer CPUs launching this year, but there...www.notebookcheck.net
Technically, if AMD can get Genoa into the hands of a limited set of partners by the end of 2021, maybe the roadmap is still on-track. But the client map from that slide release shows Zen3 up through the end of 2020, so there's no reason why they wouldn't have Zen4 client in 2021 . . .
The article you linked has the following paragraph in it, immediately after the server roadmap.Ahem
New AMD Ryzen and EPYC Roadmaps, Zen 4 and 5nm Genoa by 2022, Zen 3 and Milan in 2020
AMD drops the hammerwww.tomshardware.com
Zen4 in 2022 is a miss, plain and simple. It's time to stop making excuses for AMD while bashing Intel for their roadmap mishaps. They set a goal, and they missed it.
Perhaps most impressive, AMD's roadmaps indicate the company will have its EPYC Genoa processors fully on the market by the end of 2022. Those chips will come with the 5nm process and Zen 4 architecture, and if AMD can continue to execute on time, that represents an impressively huge jump forward in a relatively short span. We can also expect that AMD's Zen 4 processors for the consumer market will come with the 5nm process as well.
Milan was sampling last year, if I recall correctly. I think you're misinterpreting the first slide.
edit: now that I think of it, where did you even get that first slide? It isn't from the slide deck I linked.
Tom's Hardware said:The company says the first Zen 3 chips will land during the tail end of 2020, but the chips will be "fully in the market" for all segments by the end of 2021.