Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

[Ajay]

No idea. There might be X670 (or whatever) for Vermeer, but I can't see why when OEMs can just release a v2 of x570 boards this fall. In that case, yes, I expect Vermeer to be the end-of-the-road for AM4/x570.

Board partners would probably like to see an x670 chipset for new motherboards. Extra $sales$ for a new shiny motherboard for your 4900X or whatever.

 

[Atari2600]

I guess realistically, the only big step they can have over X570 would be passive cooling? So a smaller node or more efficient spin for the chipset ?

 

[Campy]

B350 and X370 were mostly low quality boards, because board manufacturers were used to AMD being bargain bin for so many years. As Ryzen has been a great success they're making much higher quality boards with more thought put into them now, and so prices have increased too.

I don't really see what a potential X670 chipset could offer that X570 can't already in terms of features.

I guess realistically, the only big step they can have over X570 would be passive cooling? So a smaller node or more efficient spin for the chipset ?

I think that's quite likely, but I think they will probably keep calling it X570.

 

[Makaveli]

B350 and X370 were mostly low quality boards, because board manufacturers were used to AMD being bargain bin for so many years. As Ryzen has been a great success they're making much higher quality boards with more thought put into them now, and so prices have increased too.

I don't really see what a potential X670 chipset could offer that X570 can't already in terms of features.



I think that's quite likely, but I think they will probably keep calling it X570.

I agree I don't really see them releasing another chipset AM4 is end of life after Zen3.

 

[thigobr]

I also don't see the point of a new chipset but I would love one so the "older" X570 can go down in price...

 

[LightningZ71]

About the only thing that they could do that could justify an x670 would be chipset integrated ThunderBolt support.

 

[Ajay]

AMD may not need a new chipset for Vermeer (if they don't add any board related features). But, AMD has to keep its whole ecosystem profitable. Having a new chipset for Vermeer would make mobo makers happy. They'll add some jingles and advertise "Ryzen 4000 compatible, no need to flash BIOS" or something like that. Many people will buy newer boards just because they are newer. Expectation matter allot for marketing, and Intel marketing has us well trained.

 

[DrMrLordX]

X570's chipset is kind of a weird hack since it's an I/O die transplanted from Rome (essentially). You would think they could make a more power-efficient chip for that role.

 

[Makaveli]

AMD may not need a new chipset for Vermeer (if they don't add any board related features). But, AMD has to keep its whole ecosystem profitable. Having a new chipset for Vermeer would make mobo makers happy. They'll add some jingles and advertise "Ryzen 4000 compatible, no need to flash BIOS" or something like that. Many people will buy newer boards just because they are newer. Expectation matter allot for marketing, and Intel marketing has us well trained.

Good points.

X570 is already overpriced when you look at many boards some costing up to $500-$800. Where are they going to stick a x670 chipset that is suppose to be "better" are they going to hit the $1000 mark for high end x670 chipset?

As for motherboard makers needing something new to push Zen 4 isn't far out and DDR5 they can have a field day with that. I think they should focus on price right now.

 

[Ajay]

I think they should focus on price right now.

Yes, but we saw how well that went with the 'new' B550 boards.

 

[Veradun]

I guess realistically, the only big step they can have over X570 would be passive cooling? So a smaller node or more efficient spin for the chipset ?

Since the x570 is a glorified motherchip, we need a new motherchip to have a respin of the x570

 

[Makaveli]

Yes, but we saw how well that went with the 'new' B550 boards.

True but I believe this was kinda inevitable as AMD isn't considered a budget brand anymore with how well Zen is doing. A lot of people are shocked prices are going up but it was to be expected.

You can find good priced B550 board as long as you don't look at the highend stuff.

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[Thunder 57]

True but I believe this was kinda inevitable as AMD isn't considered a budget brand anymore with how well Zen is doing. A lot of people are shocked prices are going up but it was to be expected.

You can find good priced B550 board as long as you don't look at the highend stuff.

Amazon.com: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK Gaming Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, HDMI/DP, ATX): Computers & Accessories

Buy MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK Gaming Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, HDMI/DP, ATX): Motherboards - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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How much less for the "non-gaming" model?

 

[Makaveli]

How much less for the "non-gaming" model?

Haha and that my friend is the question.

Its hard to get anything these days outside of workstation and servers that aren't in the Gamer, RGB bucket.

 

[Thunder 57]

Haha and that my friend is the question.

Its hard to get anything these days outside of workstation and servers that aren't in the Gamer, RGB bucket.

I know (and I and I'm sure many others) find that frustrating. Their marketing people are crap.

 

[Makaveli]

I know (and I and I'm sure many others) find that frustrating. Their marketing people are crap.

You can buy a board with it and just turn it off in the bios so there are some options at least.

 

[Thunder 57]

You can buy a board with it and just turn it off in the bios so there are some options at least.

That's what I did but a lot of the "gaming" boards tend to be overly flashy in other areas. Sometimes subtlety is nice.

 

[trexfromouterspace]

I know (and I and I'm sure many others) find that frustrating. Their marketing people are crap.

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[Thunder 57]

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That one is probably the worst. They do realize they are selling to businesses too, right? I suggest you watch this if you haven't already.

 

[moinmoin]

I think ASMedia is still supposed to come out with a high end PCIe 4 chipset that would form an x670, replacing AMD's franken-IOD gone chipset. At least that was the rumor back in December last year.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Last I checked AMD doesn't make the motherboards. I doubt they have any control when it comes to the end cost.

Last I checked Walmart doesn't make anything. They dictate cost and pricing from their vendors. What is your point? The term rollback pricing is something AMD should consider.

 

[Markfw]

Last I checked Walmart doesn't make anything. They dictate cost and pricing from their vendors. What is your point? The term rollback pricing is something AMD should consider.

Unlike walmart there are a lot of different places that sell AMD motherboards. Some OEMS use them, and a lot of DIY sold thru newegg, amazon, bhphoto and many more. There is a cost. DEach vendor will sell it for as little as their profit margin allows. Microcenter for one.

 

[Atari2600]

That one is probably the worst. They do realize they are selling to businesses too, right? I suggest you watch this if you haven't already.

AMD's marketing is abysmal.

I'm very sure that I (with absolutely no marketing experience) could not do a worse job.

Their marketing has always flipped from one initiative to another - never giving time for anything to bed in and gain a degree of recognition in the market. Especially in mobile.

At least they've stuck with the Ryzen name now for a few cycles rather than throw it out the door due to a few powerpoint ranger PR "gurus".

 

[Det0x]

New information on the Vermeer engineering sample has been published by Igor'sLAB

Translation by VideoCardz

The new information is for the clock speeds, which were decoded from an OPN code Igor was given by the source:

100-000000059-52_ 48/35 _ Y

The 48 stands for 4.8 GHz boost clock, while 35 means 3.5 GHz base clock. It is worth noting that this is still not the final sample, but definitely a faster stepping from the previous report. In June Igor covered first data on the B0 samples which were featuring a boost clock of 4.6 GHz and a base clock of 3.7 GHz.

100-000000059-14_46/37_Y
100-000000059-15_46/37_N

AMD Vermeer to feature Per core voltage adjustment
Intel recently introduced a new feature with the 10th Gen Core series. This feature allowed per-core voltage adjustment for increased optimization and overclocking. This feature is also coming to AMD platform, as the changelog for the ComboAM4v2PI 1.0.6.0 (or 1006) reveals:

 

[Martimus]

How much less for the "non-gaming" model?

Unfortunately it is quite expensive: MSI MEG X570 UNIFY AM4 AMD X570 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard https://www.newegg.com/msi-meg-x570...m_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-144-273-_-08062020