Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[StinkyPinky]

It's not midnight EST?

 

[B-Riz]

Intel Inside.

That is a good one.

BUT, see below, from Maximum PC Nov 2000; really, most of this stuff only people into into computers / tech / etc. (like us on the forum) *really* know the finer points about.

So much was cringe worthy, and most tech marketing will forever continue to be cringe worthy to us.

 

[Markfw]

It's not midnight EST?

9 am EST is the deadline

 

[IEC]

9 am EST is the deadline

There is conflicting information out there. Some say 9AM CDT +/- a few hours. So don't be suprised if nothing is up at 9AM Eastern.

 

[DiogoDX]

Leaked review from a brazilian shop. 3600 vs 8700K with DDR4 2666mhz.

 

[RTX2080]

For all the leaked wonky Zen 2 results on pre-release BIOSes, 1usmus has confirmed that those BIOS versions were locked down. You will need AGESA 1.0.0.3AB version BIOSes to fully utilize Zen 2.

Screenie:

yep I also read some similar information from local forum, that bios in hand yet is incompleted, at least 1 important update is on track before NDA.

 

[Carfax83]

Well going from those YouTube benchmarks that DiogoDX posted, I don't think we'll have to worry about Zen 2's gaming performance. At roughly equal clocks (8700K had nearly 100mhz advantage), Zen 2 was definitely faster overall compared to the 8700K and they tested a very large amount of titles.

Now one could say that the 8700K was crippled due to using such slow RAM, and that's probably true. The 8700K will gain more from faster RAM than the 3600x, because it has less cache and is more memory constrained. But Zen 2 is definitely the more potent core undoubtedly, which is to be expected I suppose.

 

[Ajay]

yep I also read some similar information from local forum, that bios in hand yet is incompleted, at least 1 important update is on track before NDA.

I read that a new bioses were dropped on Friday - poor reviewers had to scrap some results.

 

[SPBHM]

Leaked review from a brazilian shop. 3600 vs 8700K with DDR4 2666mhz.

so r5 3600 = 8700K for gaming,
pretty impressive.

 

[Carfax83]

so r5 3600 = 8700K for gaming,
pretty impressive.

Faster RAM will change those scores significantly for the 8700K though. Faster RAM will help Zen 2 as well, but not as much as the Intel CPUs due to the latter having less on die cache than the former.

 

[HurleyBird]

Faster RAM will change those scores significantly for the 8700K though. Faster RAM will help Zen 2 as well, but not as much as the Intel CPUs due to the latter having less on die cache than the former.

Nope.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

That is quite a change from last gen, where it was AMD that benefitted the most from better RAM.
One thing to note though is that Intel didn't gain a great deal past a certain point, so whilst it is true that there'll be gains, don't count on them being particularly significant. That said, a 3600 + B450 is going to be much cheaper than a 8700K + Z390.

 

[HurleyBird]

That is quite a change from last gen, where it was AMD that benefitted the most from better RAM.

That will still probably be the case, but, as with last gen, it's likely to be more about CCX frequency and timings than actual bandwidth, at least (or especially) for the lower core count models.

 

[Hans de Vries]

From the Youtube video above:

In the test they both run memory at 2666 MHz. ( 3min 08sec in the video)

 

[HurleyBird]

To be fair, CS might be tilting things a bit... especially if they're just adding up all the FPS and dividing by 20 (too lazy to do the math myself).

 

[Carfax83]

Nope.

Hmm, perhaps you're right. I think I'm still going by that infamous Digital Foundry memory overclocking review which showed huge gains for faster RAM:

 

[piesquared]

Those are great results and that's with a notable clock speed deficit. The biggest eyeopener is that it's half the cost.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I know someone who would buy a Zen2 just by showing him that counter strike FPS......lol

 

[tamz_msc]

There is no way an 8700K scores only 170 points in CB15 1T, unless Turbo Boost is acting wonky. Take these benchmarks with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Slaughterem]

From the Youtube video above:
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The first panel is only the spec sheet for the processors. They ran the Ryzen 3600 at mem 2666 same as the Intel 8700

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

To be fair, CS might be tilting things a bit... especially if they're just adding up all the FPS and dividing by 20 (too lazy to do the math myself).

Not sure they've done that otherwise the result would be more in AMD's favour. I just counted the difference in FPS excluding CS:GO, and it was 2.1 FPS on average higher with the 3600 versus 2.3 FPS including CS:GO. That game alone had double the combined FPS differences between the two, and would have resulted in an average difference of 6.35 FPS. Clearly, that isn't the case, and would have been incredibly misleading if portrayed that way.

 

[DiogoDX]

There is no way an 8700K scores only 170 points in CB15 1T, unless Turbo Boost is acting wonky. Take these benchmarks with a huge grain of salt.

Mine does 190 single with 2400mhz mem.

It's odd because during the games it maintained the 4.3ghz multicore turbo.

 

[Hans de Vries]

The first panel is only the spec sheet for the processors. They ran the Ryzen 3600 at mem 2666 same as the Intel 8700

Confirmed, he says so very explicitly at 3min 08 sec in the video. Both run at 2666 MHz

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

The 8700K was locked at 4.3GHz.
The comparison with the 3600 is seriously flawed since it doesn't properly reflect the 8700K's capabilities regardless of which RAM was used.
Neither IMO does it properly represent the 3600; B450 mobo with non-final BIOS.

 

[Accord99]

There is no way an 8700K scores only 170 points in CB15 1T, unless Turbo Boost is acting wonky. Take these benchmarks with a huge grain of salt.

I downclocked my 8700K to 3.9 GHz, CB15 multi-cpu was about 1300, CB20 was about 3140. So at least for their multithreadeds test of Cinebench, the 8700K was running at <4 GHz.

Edit: Likely also true for Fire Strike physics, my 3.9GHz score 17105.