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What will Ryzen 3000 for AM4 look like?


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DrMrLordX

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For all the leaked wonky Zen 2 results on pre-release BIOSes, 1usmus has confirmed that those BIOS versions were locked down. You will need AGESA 1.0.0.3AB version BIOSes to fully utilize Zen 2.

Bet the reviewers are loving that.

Hmm wonder what are the implications for X370 and X470 boards that have Agesa 1.0.0.1 right now. That may not sit well for people upgrading their older machines. Might need to wait a bit.

I downclocked my 8700K to 3.9 GHz, CB15 multi-cpu was about 1300, CB20 was about 3140. So at least for their multithreadeds test of Cinebench, the 8700K was running at <4 GHz.

I see no indication in the video of how they set up their 8700k. I also see no power numbers for the 8700k. The power numbers for the 3600 are there though . . . and it stays within its rated TDP. Temps are spiky as hell though. Wonder why?
 

coercitiv

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There is no way an 8700K scores only 170 points in CB15 1T, unless Turbo Boost is acting wonky. Take these benchmarks with a huge grain of salt.
Let me add some seasoning to that huge grain of salt.

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Slaughterem

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The 8700K was locked at 4.3GHz.
The comparison with the 3600 is seriously flawed since it doesn't properly reflect the 8700K's capabilities regardless of which RAM was used.
Neither IMO does it properly represent the 3600; B450 mobo with non-final BIOS.
I would agree that neither unit was ran at its max potential,
 

trollspotter

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There is conflicting information out there. Some say 9AM CDT +/- a few hours. So don't be suprised if nothing is up at 9AM Eastern.
You're both right. They are listing 9 AM EST (Standard Time, we are currently on Daylight Saving Time in the US) which is 10 AM EDT, so 9 AM CDT.
 

Slaughterem

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I would take away from this video and confidently state that there is no way the I7-8700K can match the performance per watt or the performance per price of the 3600.
 
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Accord99

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I see no indication in the video of how they set up their 8700k. I also see no power numbers for the 8700k. The power numbers for the 3600 are there though . . . and it stays within its rated TDP. Temps are spiky as hell though. Wonder why?
Perhaps a small number of cores were boosted past the normal 4.2GHz ceiling for a low-threaded usage period and the temperature monitor picked up the highest core temperature? Otherwise, given the relatively low power usage, I don't see how it could jump 10C just like that.
 

PotatoWithEarsOnSide

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We need to go to a Universal Time just so that we can get a little certainty in our world. Too many arguments over time zones that it surely can't be worth the extra hour of sunlight at the "right" time in the winter.
 

coercitiv

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I would take away from this video and confidently state that there is no way the I7-8700K can match the performance per watt or the performance per price of the 3600.
I wouldn't even bother comparing with 8700K perf/watt or perf/dollar anymore.

The 3600 looks like a revolution in itself, essentially offering all the performance a modern mainstream desktop needs. This chip will likely become the de facto benchmark for new builds in 2019-2020.

Funny how we were all looking at the bigger & stronger SKUs while this little chip was achieving Kung Fu.
 

cortexa99

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That 8700k result is weird, I have to very careful when reading everything about Intel result since specture&meltdown fix is whether taking negative effect or not......:rolleyes:
 

misuspita

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I have a B450 and a 1600 right now and contemplate swapping for a 3600. Does the PBO work with any chipset or just with newer ones?
 

HurleyBird

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The 8700K was locked at 4.3GHz.
The comparison with the 3600 is seriously flawed since it doesn't properly reflect the 8700K's capabilities regardless of which RAM was used.
Neither IMO does it properly represent the 3600; B450 mobo with non-final BIOS.

PBO theoretically adds 200MHz.
 

coercitiv

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That 8700k result is weird, I have to very careful when reading everything about Intel result since specture&meltdown fix is whether taking negative effect or not......:rolleyes:
Just ignore Intel results for now and wait for results from trusted & established sources. We already know Zen 2 performance looks good on all fronts, further analysis requires the best reviews anyway.

I'd like to see the 3600 up against the 9600K. Lets not forget that it is Intel's latest 6c CPU. That it lacks HT is neither here nor there; Intel should be the ones explaining why they don't offer HT anymore (except for the 9900K).
Because they wanted to both stave off AMD and increase ASP, dropping two birds with one stone. 6c/12t on i5 9600K would have beaten 8c/8t on i7 9700K, and 9700K with HT enabled would have made 9900K obsolete from day 1.
 
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Kedas

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About DDR4 speed although I don't think it will make a big difference for the intel CPU's
(unless you set your CL too high in relation to the clock speed)

What is the proper speed reviewers should use for the intel CPU's?
DDR4 2666 is the officially supported speed for the latest intel (spec. power reasons?)
DDR4 3200 is the officially supported speed for the latest AMD

And we are even advised to go higher:
AMD:
DDR4 3733 CL17 is sweetspot for performance
DDR4 3600 CL16 is sweetspot for perf/price

So what is right for the review for intel DDR4?
 

misuspita

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Why not? :)

I feel like it this time. I'll wait for the reviews and for the prices/stock to stabilise and I am in no hurry because my 1600 works just fine. It should theoretically bring a quarter more perf. My DAW would be happier. Or maybe splash to 3700x though unlikely.

Still, my question remains unanswered. Does PBO works with older chipsets (like my B450), or it is restricted to newer ones?
 

misuspita

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Holy cow that polish review! Basically 3600 except a few oddities is bested only by stock i990k and overclocked cpus in productivity. Bad part is that it has no overclock potential. At least this one
 
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Kedas

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Still, my question remains unanswered. Does PBO works with older chipsets (like my B450), or it is restricted to newer ones?
You have PBO but not the new PBO that goes a little higher, you need X570 for that.
According to:
(yes the video is mirrored)
 
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