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kage69

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Greenman said:
Other than the far ends of the spectrum, I see them as being nearly identical in the way they see issues and problems.
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Ridiculous. Where the hell have you been?

In the interests of keeping it short because I'm lazy and you should already know better, for your easy consideration:

 
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dbr1 said:
Refutation: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._trump_tower_meeting_shows_no_collusion.html#!
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Lol. American enterprise institute op-Ed that gets basic facts wrong. (His attempt to deflect to Clinton and the Steele dossier shows the author lacks a basic understanding of the law)

Regardless, to be clear, Trump Jr. gets an email that offers dirt on Hillary Clinton ‘as part of the Russian government’s support for Trump’s campaign’ and he responds ‘I love it’, and you’ve managed to convince yourself that’s not collusion.

How far divorced from reality does someone need to be to believe that.

Edit: I will admit that since that author is a member of a conservative think tank he may also simply be lying and counting on his audience to be too dumb to know better. He is known for being a liar in other contexts so... seems reasonable.
 
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fskimospy

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kage69 said:
...by Reagan's pointman during Iran Contra? Ok, read it anyway.

Weak refutation, I see nothing convincing from this right wing think tank calling itself nonpartisan. Assumptions, supposition, some 'hey what about the Clintons,' looks like pretty standard fluff to me. Neeeext.
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Look, just because Trump’s son got an email promising assistance from the Russian government and he said that he loved it doesn’t mean that they were colluding....

Wait what.
 
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fskimospy said:
I’m not sure about that. I’ll be interested to see what the report says.

Regardless, collusion is not a crime, it’s various criminal statutes that we have to think about. There’s no doubt Trump Jr. colluded with Russia but Mueller may have decided that wasn’t a crime, specifically.

Anyone who says the Trump campaign didn’t collude is lying or an idiot though.
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In this case, what Russia did was clearly illegal, this colluding with them is conspiracy.
 
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fskimospy said:
That’s insane! You can’t really believe that.

The ‘both sides’ shit that exists today is one of the biggest problems we have because it enables the Republican Party to keep inhabiting crazy town.

The Democrats would never have nominated someone like Trump, for example. Nor would they turn a blind eye to his enormous corruption.
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Us verses them. There is always a rallying cry, there is always a villain, there are always accusations of nefarious doings, there is always a large group convinced of guilt or innocence despite the evidence or lack thereof. The players on either side have iron clad proof one way or the other, and are always willing to believe the most outrageous accusations. This is us, this is what we are and what we want. This is what we'll always have as long as "winning" is the goal. We want emotion and drama, and as long as we have it we'll never move beyond where we are now.
So yes, both sides are the same, both sides are driven by belief in their own moral superiority and their desperate need to win at any cost.
 
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Greenman said:
Us verses them. There is always a rallying cry, there is always a villain, there are always accusations of nefarious doings, there is always a large group convinced of guilt or innocence despite the evidence or lack thereof. The players on either side have iron clad proof one way or the other, and are always willing to believe the most outrageous accusations. This is us, this is what we are and what we want. This is what we'll always have as long as "winning" is the goal. We want emotion and drama, and as long as we have it we'll never move beyond where we are now.
So yes, both sides are the same, both sides are driven by belief in their own moral superiority and their desperate need to win at any cost.
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I’m sad to see you say this because you’re one of the conservative people on here that I think is reasonable. I see conservatives do this a lot - they project the failures of conservatism into liberals and assume they are just as bad. They aren’t. As a good example in 2016 those Macedonian guys who made a fortune making up fake news originally tried targeting both liberals and conservatives. They gave up on the liberals because they wouldn’t buy the bullshit. The conservatives ate it up.

Conservatism in the US is diseased but they won’t listen to liberals because we are the ‘enemy’. Conservatives need people like you to bring them back from the insanity they’ve gotten themselves mired in and if you can’t admit your side is the problem you will never be able to do it. It doesn’t mean you have to agree with liberals, it doesn’t mean you have to stop being conservative. It does mean that you have to recognize that your ‘team’ has gone insane and America needs your help.
 
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America does need help but there is literally no one to turn to. Trump whether you like it or not was that cry for help. It didn’t turn out peachy but it was the result of Americans hunger for anything other than the two sides that were far too comfortable in their power driving the country into a wall. I don’t get the repulsion on the phrase "both sides", it’s unquestionably true. Yes the republicans are batshit insane but the Democrats are too. Yes Trump is corrupt but his opponent was Hillary frickin Clinton, the choice wasn’t between corruption or someone with pristine moral character. The country is in trouble, we need a realistic third party to unseat the uniparty and hopefully, just maybe he’ll get this country back on the road again.
 
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fskimospy said:
I’m sad to see you say this because you’re one of the conservative people on here that I think is reasonable. I see conservatives do this a lot - they project the failures of conservatism into liberals and assume they are just as bad. They aren’t. As a good example in 2016 those Macedonian guys who made a fortune making up fake news originally tried targeting both liberals and conservatives. They gave up on the liberals because they wouldn’t buy the bullshit. The conservatives ate it up.

Conservatism in the US is diseased but they won’t listen to liberals because we are the ‘enemy’. Conservatives need people like you to bring them back from the insanity they’ve gotten themselves mired in and if you can’t admit your side is the problem you will never be able to do it. It doesn’t mean you have to agree with liberals, it doesn’t mean you have to stop being conservative. It does mean that you have to recognize that your ‘team’ has gone insane and America needs your help.
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He likes some of the things Trump has done but never elaborates on those things. My fav is his playing stupid around uncomfortable truth or his sudden lack of understanding. The "both siding" is just icing on the cake. lol.
 
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UglyCasanova said:
America does need help but there is literally no one to turn to. Trump whether you like it or not was that cry for help. It didn’t turn out peachy but it was the result of Americans hunger for anything other than the two sides that were far too comfortable in their power driving the country into a wall. I don’t get the repulsion on the phrase "both sides", it’s unquestionably true. Yes the republicans are batshit insane but the Democrats are too. Yes Trump is corrupt but his opponent was Hillary frickin Clinton, the choice wasn’t between corruption or someone with pristine moral character. The country is in trouble, we need a realistic third party to unseat the uniparty and hopefully, just maybe he’ll get this country back on the road again.
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Because the ‘both sides’ thing is obviously untrue.

Look at what you’re saying. #bothsides because Clinton was corrupt. Based on what? Even assuming the worst accusations against her were true look at Trump. Hundreds of millions in tax fraud. Both sides? Are you insane?
 
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fskimospy said:
Because the ‘both sides’ thing is obviously untrue.

Look at what you’re saying. #bothsides because Clinton was corrupt. Based on what? Even assuming the worst accusations against her were true look at Trump. Hundreds of millions in tax fraud. Both sides? Are you insane?
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You’re so entrenched in defending your party I’m not sure if you’re even capable of recognizing the stench exists all around. There are many on the right that are equally blinded by partisanship and they can’t see or don’t care about the corruption that exists in their party as well. Take the blinders off man, you seem intelligent enough. Disengage from the party and see it all for what it is.
 
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UglyCasanova said:
You’re so entrenched in defending your party I’m not sure if you’re even capable of recognizing the stench exists all around. There are many on the right that are equally blinded by partisanship and they can’t see or don’t care about the corruption that exists in their party as well. Take the blinders off man, you seem intelligent enough. Disengage from the party and see it all for what it is.
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You just keep doing it. I never denied corruption in the Democratic Party, you just need to believe I am because it lets you avoid my larger point.

Conservatism in America today is diseased. Trying to compare the Republican Party to the Democratic Party is the problem. You guys desperately need to clean house.
 
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Personally I’m finding the Presidents silence sort of strange.
Is there something damming in the report
Is there close to nothing

I’m not sure, I do find the Presidents lack of bragging strange.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Personally I’m finding the Presidents silence sort of strange.
Is there something damming in the report
Is there close to nothing

I’m not sure, I do find the Presidents lack of bragging strange.
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I would say that if the report exonerated him I feel like he would be tweeting nonstop. It’s odd that he isn’t.
 
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fskimospy said:
I would say that if the report exonerated him I feel like he would be tweeting nonstop. It’s odd that he isn’t.
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Exactly my thought but I’d also think if there were strong implications he’d be tweeting non stop too. He prefers to attack than defend.
Maybe someone turned his WiFi off and put his phone in airplane mode.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Oh look an account that used to post in tech & pc stuff 5 years ago suddenly became active again only showing pro Russia interested in Mueller investigation.

That’s not suspicious at all...normal stuff...
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And trying to break past 50 posts. That's like 3 posts a year since 2011.

I really think the mods should simply be forcing a password change on those accounts.
 
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compcons said:
And trying to break past 50 posts. That's like 3 posts a year since 2011.

I really think the mods should simply be forcing a password change on those accounts.
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Previous last post was 2013, I think

I agree something needs to be done about the old accounts.
 
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