Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

[fskimospy]

The last of the traitorous Obama slime is being removed from the DOJ. Funny you don't acknowledge all the top DOJ officials that have been fired or demoted since the Mueller investigation started. People wanted to charge Hillary but Comey and others made sure to stop that.

So when is she being charged? All of the top officials of the DOJ have been Trump appointees for two years. Are they just really bad at their jobs?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The last of the traitorous Obama slime is being removed from the DOJ. Funny you don't acknowledge all the top DOJ officials that have been fired or demoted since the Mueller investigation started. People wanted to charge Hillary but Comey and others made sure to stop that.

Because I think you’ll have a different answer when the next Democrat purges all of Trumps Justice Department
That topic is an endless rabbit hole without having HR records.
I still would like to know why the current & previous attorney generals have not charged Hillary. Been a long time.
Why has it not happened?

 

[fskimospy]

1) Trump's campaign head was in debt to a Russian-backed Ukrainian and worked with a guy known to formerly work as a Russian intelligence agent.
2) The Trump campaign was somehow aware of Russian hacking of the DNC before anyone else in the world.
3) Friends of Trump were aggressively trying to get access to illegally acquired materials held by the Russian-supported Wikileaks.
4) Friends and family of Trump were messaging back and forth with Wikileaks about various things to do with timing and strategy.
5) Trump had a mega-million dollar business deal going with the Russian government while campaigning.
6) A guy known to be a Russian "useful idiot" worked for the campaign and went traipsing through Russia, meeting bigwigs, during the campaign.
7) Trump's son arranged a meeting with a person working for the Russian government, messaging that he hoped to use it in the campaign.
8) Trump's son-in-law and others in his orbit set up various meetings with Russians, trying to set up backchannels, as a first step after getting elected (and maybe before).
9) The high-ups in Trump's orbit had (have?) a habit of exchanges messages on Dust and trying to evade the Presidential Records Act and wiretaps.
10) Trump immediately tried to issue a command to drop sanctions as his first act in office.
11) Trump tried to interfere with intelligence investigations into Russian interference in the election, firing the head of the FBI - despite that guy helping him to land the job by making his opponent look dirty.

These are all true things that can be supported by Mueller's indictments or other reliable sources

We're seeing this shitty journalism today, as a political appointees (enabler) letter to Congress is being considered the same as the actual report..

Yes. I suspect when the actual contents of the report come out this letter will, at a minimum, look like it took significant liberties with Mueller’s findings.

 

[brandonbull]

So after 5 years away from Anandtech and zero posting history in P&N you suddenly come back for this thread? Seems legit. Welcome back comrade, next time you should pick less obvious account to assume identity of.

Looks like Putin activated that long idle sleeper cell of posters in P&N. I think we had 10 million votes just cast for Trump in 2020. Damn Russia interference making people vote.

 

[brandonbull]

Another Leftist challenged by the truth that is easily verifiable. I have made no profane insults except in direct response to one made against me.

The progressheviks in P&N consider it an insult if you don't parrot them. Don't disrupt the perfectly tuned echo chamber.

 

[brandonbull]

It is clearly a troll account and yet some of you insist on engaging. I doubt its even a conservative that you’re sparring with. Not very bright.

Oh, and when I want civil discussion, I engage the liberals on the forum who have something interesting to say.

I bet that list and the number of times Hillary is elected president is the same.

 

[brandonbull]

I don't know what this word salad is supposed to mean.

Too many words or them there fancy metafours thingies got you? Do you want your Russian dressing for it?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Looks like Putin activated that long idle sleeper cell of posters in P&N. I think we had 10 million votes just cast for Trump in 2020. Damn Russia interference making people vote.

He won by several thousand and maybe 10-20k votes in a handful of key states. He lost the popular vote bigly.
Regardless of the possibility of interference keeping some voters home and making others more active. I am concerned about the potential for a hostile foreign power or even a friendly foreign power to influence our elections. I assume you are too.

 

[Greenman]

I'm afraid that this is not strengthening your rationality credentials.

John has a thing for Russian Jedi's and their mind control over people of limited intellect.

 

[Greenman]

I dunno... the whole thing seems odd. Way too much lying and changing of stories by too many people to really think it was all on the up and up.
Would very much like to see the full report but I'm not holding my breath it'll ever come out other than as a secret leak of some sort.

My guess is there is lots of questionable activity but nothing concrete enough to build a case on.

 

[fskimospy]

John has a thing for Russian Jedi's and their mind control over people of limited intellect.

I don’t understand why people try and argue that the Russians didn’t influence the election. Of course they did, it’s just common sense.

If you believe that disinformation was enough to convince 1% of Clinton voters to stay home or 0.5% of Clinton voters to vote for Trump then Russian interference was not only effective, but decisive. That’s a pretty low bar to cross.

 

[Greenman]

I don’t understand why people try and argue that the Russians didn’t influence the election. Of course they did, it’s just common sense.

If you believe that disinformation was enough to convince 1% of Clinton voters to stay home or 0.5% of Clinton voters to vote for Trump then Russian interference was not only effective, but decisive. That’s a pretty low bar to cross.

Of course they interfered, or attempted to. I just enjoy twitting John over "Russian mind benders".

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don’t understand why people try and argue that the Russians didn’t influence the election. Of course they did, it’s just common sense.

If you believe that disinformation was enough to convince 1% of Clinton voters to stay home or 0.5% of Clinton voters to vote for Trump then Russian interference was not only effective, but decisive. That’s a pretty low bar to cross.

There is no doubt the Russians influenced the 2016 election.

There is also no doubt that Trump did not collude with them in doing so. Barr’s summary was certainly generous to Trump, but I do believe that if there was proof of collusion, Mueller would have found it.

There is, however, a mountain of criminal activity exposed as a result of Mueller’s investigation. Campaign finance violations, obstruction of justice and tax fraud are all serious allegations. Not sure if politically they have enough teeth to take down Trump.

 

[thilanliyan]

nm

 

[zinfamous]

If we do care, we should demand that members of the Obama administration and the Democratic party be investigated for their parts in the "Russian interference".

How so? The Obama administration was pretty public, very early on, about trying to get Mitch to join them on a joint statement about what was going on. They all knew what Intel was telling them, yet Mitch refused. It was a rather bi-partisan issue at the time, except for Mitch.

Because Mitch is a treasonous cvnt.

 

[zinfamous]

There is no doubt the Russians influenced the 2016 election.

There is also no doubt that Trump did not collude with them in doing so. Barr’s summary was certainly generous to Trump, but I do believe that if there was proof of collusion, Mueller would have found it.

There is, however, a mountain of criminal activity exposed as a result of Mueller’s investigation. Campaign finance violations, obstruction of justice and tax fraud are all serious allegations. Not sure if politically they have enough teeth to take down Trump.

...and isn't that a rather staggering thing to admit?



BTW, Barr's summary, at least, doesn't address the charge, as has been all along, that Trump was acting as a retarded agent for Russia. He seems to have cleared Trump from acting knowingly, but not from acting unknowingly to push Russia's goals wrg to the USA. Collusion implies intent, but outside of the endlessly suspicious Trump tower meeting, and hosting a Russian mobster in his house tower for over a decade, it's likely quite difficult to pin the intent claim on him or anyone else.

...also, pretty difficult to make explicit charges when you aren't allowed to interview the primary suspects.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There is no doubt the Russians influenced the 2016 election.

There is also no doubt that Trump did not collude with them in doing so. Barr’s summary was certainly generous to Trump, but I do believe that if there was proof of collusion, Mueller would have found it.

There is, however, a mountain of criminal activity exposed as a result of Mueller’s investigation. Campaign finance violations, obstruction of justice and tax fraud are all serious allegations. Not sure if politically they have enough teeth to take down Trump.

Fair summary, we'll see what the future holds when congress gets boxes upon boxes shipped to them from Muellers findings, sort of like Benghazi, her email and White Water all rolled into one.

 

[soundforbjt]

There is no doubt the Russians influenced the 2016 election.

There is also no doubt that Trump did not collude with them in doing so. Barr’s summary was certainly generous to Trump, but I do believe that if there was proof of collusion, Mueller would have found it.

There is, however, a mountain of criminal activity exposed as a result of Mueller’s investigation. Campaign finance violations, obstruction of justice and tax fraud are all serious allegations. Not sure if politically they have enough teeth to take down Trump.

If the biggest half of the Senate had ANY morals and respect for this country left, Trump would be on his way out now.

 

[Vic]

The last of the traitorous Obama slime is being removed from the DOJ. Funny you don't acknowledge all the top DOJ officials that have been fired or demoted since the Mueller investigation started. People wanted to charge Hillary but Comey and others made sure to stop that.

'Traitorous' to you, of course, means having a D next to their names and occassionally speaking things you disagree with.

 

[dainthomas]

Short of Mueller perp walking Dump/DumpJr/Kushner out of the White House, this was going to be the biggest defeat for Dems in, like EVAR. Let's just cancel the next election and give him four more years.

Political pundits are some of the stupidest people on the planet.

 

[UNCjigga]

I’m dismayed by those few on the left who are suddenly questioning Mueller’s allegiances or accusing both him and Barr of a coverup. Let’s be clear—everything we know about the Mueller report thus far is based on a few choice excerpts sprinkled in with Barr’s interpretation. It’s like trying to judge a symphony based on the first 4 bars.

I don’t think there’s any intention to mislead the public, and I’m even giving Barr the benefit of the doubt. Mainly because Barr is on record saying that an obstruction investigation predicated on Trump asking Comey to let Flynn off/firing Comey was “fatally misconceived”. So no matter the evidence, Barr was never going to recommend charges of obstruction from DoJ.

As for the Russia collusion question, we still have no idea what standard Mueller’s team was using to define collusion/conspiracy with Russia or even the full scope of what they were investigating. Rosenstein provided Congress with a clarified scope of investigation, and whole sections were redacted. Were they only investigating collusion with known/established state actors or also including contacts with non-state actors? This is why we need to see the report. Regardless, I don’t think Mueller could bring charges based on “collusion” alone, and the bar for conspiracy charges would be higher. I don’t think you can blame Mueller for that.

If we are wont to entertain conspiracy theories, I’d think it’s far more likely that Mueller erred on the side of caution in recommending official charges/indictments against Americans in order to protect the FBI/DoJ. Enough damage has been done to those institutions in 2 years by Trump, his cronies and enablers in Congress. Mueller may have decided to frame his report in the least biased light in order to a) ensure the full report is released, or b) put the job of prosecuting obstruction or other tangential crimes in Congress’ lap (I.e. since it already got political, leave it in the political realm.)

Congress should keep doing their oversight job (with a little less fanfare but it’s important work) but as far as the 2020 candidates are concerned, Russian collusion and obstruction of Comey/Mueller is no longer a campaign issue. Time to move onto emoluments, campaign finance violations and a million other policy decisions that Americans don’t agree with.

 

[brycejones]

Too many words or them there fancy metafours thingies got you? Do you want your Russian dressing for it?

I can't decide if its meth or you're just run of the mill drunk on Monday morning. That's a heck of a way to start the week off though, is this your idea of #winning?

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course they interfered, or attempted to. I just enjoy twitting John over "Russian mind benders".

If they hadn't been amplifying what you wanted to hear in the first place you'd stand in awe of their brilliant audacity in the 2016 campaign. They pioneered a whole new departure in the dissemination of disinformation & propaganda, and they did it for Trump. It's not like they're going away, either. They're working hard to get even better at what they do.

 

[sportage]

Donald Trump is sooooo funny....

Donald actually believes claiming he has been exonerated will somehow make more people like him.
Like Satan saying "I WAS EXONERATED FROM CAUSING THE BLACK PLAGUE. SO LOVE ME".

Republicans and Donald Trump still don't get it.
Those that despised Donald Trump before will continue to dispose Donald Trump after, regardless of reports or false claims of exonerations.
And too.....
The people that love Donald Trump before would have continued to love Donald Trump after, no matter his guilt or criminal peccadillo's.

Think of it this way...
Those that hate have found a home in Donald Trump.
A hero of hate speech.
And those that do not hate and do not want walls and do not demonize minorities, those people will forever despise Donald Trump. Period!
Mueller had nothing to do with that.

So Donald, if you think you have been exonerated or that people will magically start loving you just because some report suggests you are not a scum bag Soviet loving traitor, THINK AGAIN!

We hated you before. We'll continue to hate you going forward.
Waving your piss ass report in front of out eyes isn't gonna change a damn thing.

 

[Starbuck1975]

...and isn't that a rather staggering thing to admit?



BTW, Barr's summary, at least, doesn't address the charge, as has been all along, that Trump was acting as a retarded agent for Russia. He seems to have cleared Trump from acting knowingly, but not from acting unknowingly to push Russia's goals wrg to the USA. Collusion implies intent, but outside of the endlessly suspicious Trump tower meeting, and hosting a Russian mobster in his house tower for over a decade, it's likely quite difficult to pin the intent claim on him or anyone else.

...also, pretty difficult to make explicit charges when you aren't allowed to interview the primary suspects.

Wasn’t staggering in the least bit. Growing up in NY, Trump has always been a known entity. What is staggering is that it took a special counsel investigation to expose what any Howard Stern listener already knew.