Speaking of gun control...

Red Squirrel

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Not my words... the provincial police's. I would think they know a thing or two about this subject.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/18/ontario-gun-laws-make-mass-shootings-less-likely-opp-commish

TORONTO - Gun laws in this province make mass shootings such as what happened in Connecticut less likely, says OPP Commissioner Chris Lewis.

All the same, he’s worried by rumblings from Ottawa about an easing of regulations surrounding the ban on prohibited weapons such as assault weapons.

A firearms advisory committee appointed by federal Public Safety Minister Vic Toews came up with the recommendations recently. They were quickly slapped down by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, but Lewis is worried by the discussion.

“There’s been some talk about loosening the laws on some long-guns,” he told me in a telephone interview Tuesday.

“I still can’t believe you don’t have to register a 30.06 rifle and you have to register your trailer that you take garbage to the dump with,” he said.

“If you have a fishing shack on Lake Simcoe you have to get a licence for it but your 30.06 you don’t.

“Where’s the rationale behind this?” he asked.

Still, Canadian gun laws make mass shootings less likely.

“Even without the long-gun registry — which I am sorry to see go — we still have better controls on the purchasing of firearms than the U.S.,” he said.

He doesn’t buy the gun lobby argument that arming everyone will cut down on gun crimes.

“There are women walking in the Walmart with baby carriages wearing .45s on their hips in the U.S.” he said.

“And they wonder why their crime is so crazy.”

Lewis said there are more murders in Washington, D.C., which has a population of less than one million, than there are in Toronto.

“They have ten times the murders that Toronto has even though we’ve got three million people,” he said.

While this country has had its problems with gun violence, it’s nowhere near the levels it’s at in the U.S., he said.

“We’re doing something right, as is Ireland, the U.K. and other jurisdictions.”

Lewis said all major police forces put in place new protocols for dealing with gun violence in schools after the 2006 Pennsylvania Amish school shooting.

“We have better weapons, better vests and better training for officers so they don’t stand around and wait for a SWAT team,” Lewis said.

“They can proactively go into the school and go straight to the threat and deal with it.”

The bottom line, says Lewis, is that if there’s a crazed gunman determined to shoot-up a school, there’s precious little anyone can do to stop them.

“If there’s someone out there who’s in that mental state and has access to a firearm, legally or illegally, it’s going to be a scary situation, but I think we’re better prepared up here.”

And while we in Canada like to be smug and superior when we look at the U.S., the fact is, we’ve had our share of shootings and we can’t be complacent.

I’m not talking about the long-gun a farmer keeps in the barn.

Lewis points out there is no reason for anyone apart from military and cops to have assault weapons.

You don’t use them to shoot bears.

Fair enough, Stephen Harper soundly rejected the suggestions from Toews’ firearms advisory group.

The fact they were made at all shows some people disagree.

How many tragedies will it take for the message to get through: Assault weapons have no place in attics and basements where any disturbed nutbar can get his hands on them.

The price is too high — and too many innocents have paid it already.
 
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SandEagle

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Canadians get free healthcare and tons of government assistance. their stress levels are lower, which results in less shootings.
 

Triumph

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Not my words... the provincial police's. I would think they know a thing or two about this subject.

What makes you say that? What's the matter, can't think for yourself?

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/18/ontario-gun-laws-make-mass-shootings-less-likely-opp-commish

Lewis said there are more murders in Washington, D.C., which has a population of less than one million, than there are in Toronto.

“They have ten times the murders that Toronto has even though we’ve got three million people,” he said.

He neglects to mention that DC has one of the highest crime rates in the country, yet some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Smart guy.
 

GoodRevrnd

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Let's just ignore all the socio-economic, demographic, and cultural differences between Toronto and DC too.

Terrible article is terrible.
 

olds

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KillerCharlie

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While some countries are okay with rule by tyranny, others have a distrust of government and appreciate their history of revolt and ability to fight for themselves.
 

KillerCharlie

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Isn't Canada still technically under the authority of the Brits? :hmm:

No, their parliament has been free from British rule for a whopping 30 years (Canada Act of 1982). And Canada didn't declare freedom from British rule, they politely asked the UK to pass an act allowing them to amend their own constiturition.

Again, some nations appreciate their ability to defend themselves from others (and their own government if need be).
 
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OverVolt

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Not my words... the provincial police's. I would think they know a thing or two about this subject.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/18/ontario-gun-laws-make-mass-shootings-less-likely-opp-commish

TORONTO - Gun laws in this province make mass shootings such as what happened in Connecticut less likely, says OPP Commissioner Chris Lewis.

All the same, he’s worried by rumblings from Ottawa about an easing of regulations surrounding the ban on prohibited weapons such as assault weapons.

A firearms advisory committee appointed by federal Public Safety Minister Vic Toews came up with the recommendations recently. They were quickly slapped down by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, but Lewis is worried by the discussion.

“There’s been some talk about loosening the laws on some long-guns,” he told me in a telephone interview Tuesday.

“I still can’t believe you don’t have to register a 30.06 rifle and you have to register your trailer that you take garbage to the dump with,” he said.

“If you have a fishing shack on Lake Simcoe you have to get a licence for it but your 30.06 you don’t.

“Where’s the rationale behind this?” he asked.

Still, Canadian gun laws make mass shootings less likely.

“Even without the long-gun registry — which I am sorry to see go — we still have better controls on the purchasing of firearms than the U.S.,” he said.

He doesn’t buy the gun lobby argument that arming everyone will cut down on gun crimes.

“There are women walking in the Walmart with baby carriages wearing .45s on their hips in the U.S.” he said.

“And they wonder why their crime is so crazy.”

Lewis said there are more murders in Washington, D.C., which has a population of less than one million, than there are in Toronto.

“They have ten times the murders that Toronto has even though we’ve got three million people,” he said.

While this country has had its problems with gun violence, it’s nowhere near the levels it’s at in the U.S., he said.

“We’re doing something right, as is Ireland, the U.K. and other jurisdictions.”

Lewis said all major police forces put in place new protocols for dealing with gun violence in schools after the 2006 Pennsylvania Amish school shooting.

“We have better weapons, better vests and better training for officers so they don’t stand around and wait for a SWAT team,” Lewis said.

“They can proactively go into the school and go straight to the threat and deal with it.”

The bottom line, says Lewis, is that if there’s a crazed gunman determined to shoot-up a school, there’s precious little anyone can do to stop them.

“If there’s someone out there who’s in that mental state and has access to a firearm, legally or illegally, it’s going to be a scary situation, but I think we’re better prepared up here.”

And while we in Canada like to be smug and superior when we look at the U.S., the fact is, we’ve had our share of shootings and we can’t be complacent.

I’m not talking about the long-gun a farmer keeps in the barn.

Lewis points out there is no reason for anyone apart from military and cops to have assault weapons.

You don’t use them to shoot bears.

Fair enough, Stephen Harper soundly rejected the suggestions from Toews’ firearms advisory group.

The fact they were made at all shows some people disagree.

How many tragedies will it take for the message to get through: Assault weapons have no place in attics and basements where any disturbed nutbar can get his hands on them.

The price is too high — and too many innocents have paid it already.
Oh here we go again. Despite all the media attention mass shootings are less likely in the USA too.


Second one is ironic, DC has a high homicide rate in part due to its struct gun controls.

Third one, yes its called having nothing but developed nations at your side, or living literally on your own island.

There will always be "nutbars" and tragedies, that much is obvious. Mass shootings are 0.5% of all gun crime. As for the other 99.5% of regular gun crime, I'd rather not be helpless. The other 99.5% is gang bangers and such. I was mugged at gunpoint so I would know. Gun laws are a joke to gangsters. Regulating around the 0.5% and making the other 99.5% helpless is a mistake.

I just love the "crime rarely happens anyway" argument about needing a gun to protect yourself coming from the crime naive when mass shootings are rare even among crime.

Crime is rare why do you need a gun. Lets make laws about a rare-rare event so it doesn't happen again, leaving everyone else helpless against most crime. Brilliant. Hypocrisy, I love it.
 
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OverVolt

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Stereotypes

- been the victim of a crime: gun rights
- never been a victim of crime: gun-control
- has never fired a gun: gun-control
- owns a gun or has fired a gun: gun rights
- only knowledge of guns is from TV: gun-control
- Knowledge of guns from handling guns: gun rights

Don't try to play the "well these guys know what they're talking about" because it just an excuse by the crime naive, gun naive, knowledge naive gun control morons. Of course you have to default to someone else because no one who wants gun control actually knows anything about guns nor crime.

I was robbed at gunpoint so I know what "when you need help in seconds the police are just minutes away" feels like. You could be dead before they ever show up.

Second thing is after I went to the gun range. All guns are basically the same. Magazine size matters naught, I prefer to just load 5 rounds or so to practice. Reloading might as well be instant. It seems like the gun control guys ironically get their information from call of duty and such about this or that on a gun that supposedly increases or decreases its ability to harm people. Pro tip: all guns are dangerous, all varieties of guns. Black guns, shiny guns, guns with laser sights, guns that carry lots of ammo and guns that carry comparatively less ammo. They are ALL dangerous. Get over it.
 
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Colt45

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While some countries are okay with rule by tyranny, others have a distrust of government and appreciate their history of revolt and ability to fight for themselves.

This is my favourite line as to why americans need guns.

NEWFLASH. You are run by tyranny, and have been for a long time. I don't see the revolt happening, why is that?
 

lxskllr

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NEWFLASH. You are run by tyranny, and have been for a long time. I don't see the revolt happening, why is that?

Hasn't gotten bad enough yet. I disagree, but that seems to be the consensus. We were under British control over 100 years before we had enough. The day will come...