Speaking of gun control...

[rudeguy]

First off, wrong forum
Second, repost
Third, you are a troll. You have already stated that you think every American is looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

DIAF

 

[sm625]

I love how with almost every single one of these incidents there is direct and powerful evidence indicating the presence of multiple suspects. In aurora the guy has an accomplice who opens the frickin door for the shooter, but that gets ignored. In the sikh temple shooting, witnesses adamantly claim up to 4 shooters. The underwear bomber was led right past security via a handler, which is proof of a conspiracy. All of it just gets ignored, why? Because these pointless debates with total dumbed down idiots about gun control is more entertaining?

In the case of sandy hook you've got a police scanner recording clearly contradicting yet another official story. The fact is you could have 37 witnesses all claiming they saw a body being wheeled out of the back of a van and into the school (to be planted as a patsy, in case you're obtuse) and yet you still would have these mindless moron drones pretending to debate the merits of gun control laws instead of discussing the obvious elephant under the table. People who are for the gun control laws are just mindless zombies. Give it up. Stop wasting your time on them. They'll never listen to reason, which you should know already since they have taken a completely irrational position. You're dealing with religious fanaticism. They want the guns gone because they are brainwashed and controlled by a corporate media control system that has been programming them for years with the message that guns are bad, regardless of massive body of evidence proving otherwise. What should be of paramount importance is that this same media control system has been able to take every single one of these proven conspiracies and morph them into some lone gunman nutjob theory which completely changes the logical reaction on a societal level. Stop looking at the gun grabbers and other mentally compromised individuals, and start looking at the system that turns a rational thinking evidence-weighing person into a mindless big nanny state loving gun grabbing fanatic zombie.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Dear Canada,

We don't want your suggestions on how to govern our country.

Love,
Murrika

This, although I would have said it in a much less polite way.

 

[Olikan]

In the case of sandy hook you've got a police scanner recording clearly contradicting yet another official story. The fact is you could have 37 witnesses all claiming they saw a body being wheeled out of the back of a van and into the school (to be planted as a patsy, in case you're obtuse) and yet you still would have these mindless moron drones pretending to debate the merits of gun control laws instead of discussing the obvious elephant under the table. People who are for the gun control laws are just mindless zombies. Give it up. Stop wasting your time on them. They'll never listen to reason, which you should know already since they have taken a completely irrational position. You're dealing with religious fanaticism. They want the guns gone because they are brainwashed and controlled by a corporate media control system that has been programming them for years with the message that guns are bad, regardless of massive body of evidence proving otherwise. What should be of paramount importance is that this same media control system has been able to take every single one of these proven conspiracies and morph them into some lone gunman nutjob theory which completely changes the logical reaction on a societal level. Stop looking at the gun grabbers and other mentally compromised individuals, and start looking at the system that turns a rational thinking evidence-weighing person into a mindless big nanny state loving gun grabbing fanatic zombie.

 

[Iron Woode]

OPP Commissioner Chris Lewis is full of crap.

Even frontline officers know he is full of crap.

As soon as the article says a license is not required for a 30.06 rifle, I knew this article was nothing more than anti-gun, line the bird cage with the paper BS.

Anti-gun wackos need to just stop with their idiocy.

 

[jackstar7]

I like that causation exists in the minds of whoever needs it to legitimize their point, regardless of reality.

Oh, and that goes for both sides of this debate.

 

[diesbudt]

I like that causation exists in the minds of whoever needs it to legitimize their point, regardless of reality.

Oh, and that goes for both sides of this debate.

For the believers there is always enough evidence. For the skeptics there is never enough evidence.

This goes for ANY 2 sided debate.

Politics, Religion, Economy, etc.

 

[Matt1970]

Washington, D.C and NY City have some of the strictest gun laws on the books and both have had extremely high murder rates.

Tell me again how these gun laws are working?

 

[sandorski]

Washington, D.C and NY City have some of the strictest gun laws on the books and both have had extremely high murder rates.

Tell me again how these gun laws are working?

When someone can simply leave their City Limits and buy a Gun that they can transport back without any inspection upon returning, the City Law is pointless.

 

[Tiamat]

excellent.

 

[nehalem256]

When someone can simply leave their City Limits and buy a Gun that they can transport back without any inspection upon returning, the City Law is pointless.

So you are arguing that a nationwide ban would work, because of the United States' great success in securing its border? :hmm:

 

[Farmer]

When someone can simply leave their City Limits and buy a Gun that they can transport back without any inspection upon returning, the City Law is pointless.

Totally. We should implement checkpoints and searches at every entrance to the city conducted by armed guards. Better yet, random inspections of your domicile to ensure that you cannot be a danger to society.

Better safe than sorry right?

 

[sandorski]

Totally. We should implement checkpoints and searches at every entrance to the city conducted by armed guards. Better yet, random inspections of your domicile to ensure that you cannot be a danger to society.

Better safe than sorry right?

That's not what I am suggesting. I am merely pointing out the fact that City Laws against Gun Sales do not stop citizens from easily acquiring Guns.

Statewide Bans/Control would be more effective(greater inconvenience), but not by much. National Bans/Control would be the only effective solution(Border Controls).

 

[Incorruptible]

On a per capita basis the US and Canada have roughly the same amount of deaths from school shootings since 1975 and the laws in Canada are much stricter so their laws really aren't working at all.

 

[Farmer]

National Bans/Control would be the only effective solution(Border Controls).

Based on what historical evidence, or is this once again what you think?

Nationwide gun bans have proven to have negligible impact (read: no correlation) on gun crime and violent crime in nations such as Australia and UK. What makes you think, Mr. Canada, that it will be so much more effective in the US?

 

[sandorski]

Based on what historical evidence, or is this once again what you think?

Nationwide gun bans have proven to have negligible impact (read: no correlation) on gun crime and violent crime in nations such as Australia and UK. What makes you think, Mr. Canada, that it will be so much more effective in the US?

This only holds true in some recent Bans. The reason is that Gun Crime in those Nations is already very low to begin with. Like Tax Cuts, increased Gun Control has less impact than previous legislation provided.

 

[Todd33]

Dumb. Washington was not fighting anyone when the 2nd Amendment was ratified.

 

[HumblePie]

When someone can simply leave their City Limits and buy a Gun that they can transport back without any inspection upon returning, the City Law is pointless.

Because criminals leave those areas to buy guns and come back to commit crimes that involve murder with guns....

Yaa.... that is not stretching.

And assuming that was the case, why bother to come back? Maybe because it's easier as a criminal to commit violence and crime against law abiding citizens that can't defend themselves because of the strict gun control laws?

 

[sandorski]

Because criminals leave those areas to buy guns and come back to commit crimes that involve murder with guns....

Yaa.... that is not stretching.

And assuming that was the case, why bother to come back? Maybe because it's easier as a criminal to commit violence and crime against law abiding citizens that can't defend themselves because of the strict gun control laws?

Or perhaps they come back because that's where they Live.

 

[olds]

When someone can simply leave their City Limits and buy crack that they can transport back without any inspection upon returning, the City Law is pointless.

I concur

 

[HumblePie]

Or perhaps they come back because that's where they Live.

Logic has escaped you on this issue.

 

[sandorski]

Logic has escaped you on this issue.

Has it? Is their a roving Criminal element who merely move from place to place based upon the Gun Laws? Why didn't they leave prior to the Ban?

 

[HumblePie]

Has it? Is their a roving Criminal element who merely move from place to place based upon the Gun Laws? Why didn't they leave prior to the Ban?

Here is the logic fail you have employed here.

1) It was stated, and is a true fact, that both DC and NY have the strictest gun control laws in America

2) It was stated, and a true fact, that both DC and NY have some of the worst crime rates, especially violent crimes, than the rest of America

3) You stated that was because criminals could go get guns elsewhere and come back.


You number 3 assertion is a logic fail strawman. That has nothing to do with why there is high crime rates, especially violent crime. I was trying to use sarcasm to get you to figure that out.

Want to know a good correlative and scientific guess as to why both of those places have higher violent crime rates despite more gun control. The answer isn't because criminals can go elsewhere to get guns. It is because criminals know the citizens in that area have no way of defending themselves from the deprivations of the criminals. That is a much more logical deduction to make than your own.

That is why logic escapes you on this issue.

 

[BoberFett]

When someone can simply leave their City Limits and buy a Gun that they can transport back without any inspection upon returning, the City Law is pointless.

Yeah, local laws are useless, so it's good thing we have federal laws against drugs. Drugs are now impossible to get in this country...

 

[sandorski]

Here is the logic fail you have employed here.

1) It was stated, and is a true fact, that both DC and NY have the strictest gun control laws in America

2) It was stated, and a true fact, that both DC and NY have some of the worst crime rates, especially violent crimes, than the rest of America

3) You stated that was because criminals could go get guns elsewhere and come back.


You number 3 assertion is a logic fail strawman. That has nothing to do with why there is high crime rates, especially violent crime. I was trying to use sarcasm to get you to figure that out.

Want to know a good correlative and scientific guess as to why both of those places have higher violent crime rates despite more gun control. The answer isn't because criminals can go elsewhere to get guns. It is because criminals know the citizens in that area have no way of defending themselves from the deprivations of the criminals. That is a much more logical deduction to make than your own.

That is why logic escapes you on this issue.

BS.